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Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Thu, 18 September 2003 11:26 Go to next message
Hi all,
Just interested to know others out there who are running a 3T GTE engine in their cars?
What mods have you done and what rear wheel KW do you have?

Mine is still running the factory ECU and knock control and guessing is around 100kw at the moment. Need to get it on the dyno soon.

Cheers,
Simon
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Thu, 18 September 2003 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ENGINE ACCESSORIES/UPGRADES
1mm oversized forged pistons
Fully balanced
Heavy duty valve springs
CT20-B split pulse turbo - (20 psi boost)
Custom made manifold
Autronic SMC V1.91
MSD DIS-4 with direct fire ignition (no dizzy)
550cc 13B series 5 injectors
Custom made bar and plate intercooler
2.5 inch mandrel dump pipe with seperate wastegate pipe
2.5 inch mandrel bent exhaust
K&N Air Filter
550HP Bosch Pump
Surge tank with lift pump
Upgraded fuel lines (8mm)


Making 146.5 kw @ wheels.

Cheers
Joel
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Thu, 18 September 2003 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Non-stock items

CT26 from 7mgte soarer
Denso intercooler from 3sgte MR2

So far has yet to turn a wheel in anger, or at all. it's in pieces in my yard. the project.
It's a original JDM Celica GT-T. One day it'll be running.

Daniel

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 19 September 2003 02:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
My tuner Dick has a KE25 with 3TGTEU:

internally stock
8 injectors (running methanol - only when needed, dual fuel tanks)
Turbo off a 12A @ 24psi (no wastegate)
Declo ECU
Saab intercooler
stock intake manifold modifed to fit extra injectors
Supra 5spd

Last dyno day got 166rwkw with hardly being driven (pinkslip/rego) for 2 years until the day before.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 19 September 2003 02:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
My old TA22 was putting out 121 rwkw... Smile Had it bored out to 2ltr and had modified gt4 forgies in it Very Happy
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 19 September 2003 03:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KIRK: how does it compare to your new car?

HKSpete: hehe Tuna Dick *girly chuckle* Smile

[Updated on: Fri, 19 September 2003 03:30]

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 19 September 2003 03:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The old 22 went pretty bloody hard for what it was and it comes pretty close to the 28 but I think with a little bit more tuning the 28 will be way in the lead.

The only thing I miss about the 3TGTEU is the feeling of acceleration the twin turbos don't quite have the same effect Sad but you know there working more efficiently Smile
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 19 September 2003 05:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kirk,

Tell me about you modified GT4 forgies what involved? sound like and option.

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 19 September 2003 05:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roger I'll get back to you about the gt4 forgies and how we modified them... it was about 3 years ago now we did that...

I know we had the block bored to suit the pistons and we modified the crown of the pistons to work with two valves instead of 4.

The engine responded really well to this.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 19 September 2003 11:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thanks guys, sounds like the 3T GTE has plenty of potential.

Kirk,
I'd also be interested in the detail for using GT4 forged pistons in a 3T GTE. Can you please forward further info to my email?
classic_celica@yahoo.com.au

Cheers,
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 20 September 2003 02:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ok I just confirmed what we did to the GT4 pistons to make them fit the 3TGTEU... It's pretty simple actually...

GT4 pistons are four valve. 3TGTEU are 2 valve. We simply removed the ridge between the two valves on either side of the crown and Robert's your fathers brother.

The height of the gungen pins (spelling?) are identical between the GT4 forgies and the 3TGTEU.

Of course you also have to have the block bored to suit the new pistons Smile

Cheers Kirk
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 20 September 2003 06:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KiRK wrote on Sat, 20 September 2003 12:23

Ok I just confirmed what we did to the GT4 pistons to make them fit the 3TGTEU... It's pretty simple actually...

GT4 pistons are four valve. 3TGTEU are 2 valve. We simply removed the ridge between the two valves on either side of the crown and Robert's your fathers brother.

The height of the gungen pins (spelling?) are identical between the GT4 forgies and the 3TGTEU.

Of course you also have to have the block bored to suit the new pistons Smile

Cheers Kirk


What year GT4 was it from? I'm assuming from this that these pistons could also be used in an 18R?
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 20 September 2003 07:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Raistlin I can't tell you if they will work in an 18R as I've never tried. Confused

As far as what year GT4 I wasn't aware that the 3SGTE pistons were different from model to model.

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 20 September 2003 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
They probably weren't but there's a few GT4's with diferent engines in them afaik. GT4 pistons meaning from 3SGTE if I understand you correctly. Which "could" mean that 18R/2T/3T/3SG pistons are all interchangable...(gudgeon pin height)

I think I'll just stick to my forged VW pistons for my 18R-GTEU project though...
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 20 September 2003 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
HKSPete wrote on Fri, 19 September 2003 12:26

My tuner Dick has a KE25 with 3TGTEU:
Delco ECU



this wouldn't be the white 3TGT powered KE25?
Richard Wakeling?
the legend Delco tuner etc????
Cya, Stewart


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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 20 September 2003 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Are you talking about standard GT4 pistons? Or aftermarket forgies that suit a 3SGTE?
In other words, are standard GT4 pistons forged?

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sun, 21 September 2003 05:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wow thats interesting Smile
i might look into this some more
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sun, 21 September 2003 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Quote:

My old TA22 was putting out 121 rwkw... Had it bored out to 2ltr and had modified gt4 forgies in it


Stock 3S-GTE forgies are 86mm. In 3T those would make 1812cc. 1812cc is not 2ltr IMHO Smile . Another problem would be compression ratio. As I remember 3S-GTE has slight bowls in piston tops(not sure though). With flat top pistons you already get megalow CR's. Otherwise gudgeon pin height is around same numbers (35mm) like pin diameter (22mm).

Quote:

Which "could" mean that 18R/2T/3T/3SG pistons are all interchangable...(gudgeon pin height)



18R/2T~39mm. 3T/3SG~35mm.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sun, 21 September 2003 23:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I had assumed since the 3SGTE is infact a 2ltr engine and the 3TGTEU is a 1.8ltr (1770) engine that it would make sense the 3TGTEU engine capacity would rise nearly as high as the 3SGTE when bored out to accept the larger pistons.

Though I'm not a mechanic and I could be wrong.

Cheers Kirk
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sun, 21 September 2003 23:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
oldcorollas wrote on Sat, 20 September 2003 19:12


this wouldn't be the white 3TGT powered KE25?
Richard Wakeling?
the legend Delco tuner etc????
Cya, Stewart



Yep, he was at the last dyno day, its him that I owe MY trophy Smile


He'll probably go to next dyno day too, might even tune his 3T a bit better first.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sun, 21 September 2003 23:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
so gudgoen pin hight is the same at a 3t
whats is the pin dia. on a 3t?

hmm... this is interesting
it might be good for a 2tg head
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 22 September 2003 00:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The 3t pin diameter is 22mm

Raistlin I am also interested in the VW pistons, I believe these have the 22mm pin, But what is the compression height? at what width? (I know the volks wagon come in many different variants just like to know if the compression height is suitable)

Can anyone confirm the compression height of standard 3tgt is 35mm (I haven't pulled mine out yet)

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 22 September 2003 08:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aircooled VW piston pin diameter is 22mm and compression height is 34mm but smallest bore size is 90.5mm. Although I know 3T with 90mm piston, IMHO 90mm is too big. There are VW pistons under 90mm bore (Cima/Mahle 77/85.5/87/88mm) but compression height is around 39mm, so its no for 3T. VW pistons are flat top.

I would assume that 3T and 3T-GTE have same compression height, 35.2mm.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 22 September 2003 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I have a set of the mahle 90.5mm forgies in my low compression 18R-G... If anyone knows of a way to get these in oz for under $400AU let me know I'm sure a few people would be interested in them. The best price I found here is $650(Hornsby for 92mm ones). I found them in the states but the yanks won't ship to oz or charge you double for the shipping here(dunno what it is about that country that makes shipping overseas sooo expensive. I think they've only even heard of overnight express courier over there).

You can also get these in a 92mm and 94mm variant although I believe 94mm is asking for trouble with the block but 92mm should be doable. 92mm are a more popular size than 90.5 so probably easier to find.

As for the piston itself I'm pretty sure the forged VW ones are not only better in that they're forged and lower compression than the standard ones but they also weigh a HEAP less than the cast 18R pistons = higher revs faster Razz.

Also a question where do you measure the gudgeon pin height on the piston from/how do you measure it?
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 22 September 2003 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Here's some info about VW pistons:
http://www.geneberg.com/pistondet.htm
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 22 September 2003 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Does anyone know about the forged pistons that are already available from Sean Moloney?
What are they, does anyone have them and are they any good?

I think they are around $1200 a set. Just wondering if they are specifically made for a 3T GTE or something else thats been modified to fit?

Simon
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 22 September 2003 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I brought a set of Sean's pistons for my 3t-gte.. Seem to be holding up well.. Figuring recently I had the timing slip around 40 - 60 degrees while hammering along at 20psi.. Headgasket blew but pistons still look good Smile
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 22 September 2003 23:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
well thats good advertising isnt it Smile
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 22 September 2003 23:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi Simon,

I had mine recently dynoed again a few weeks ago & it was putting out 135kw at the wheels. (around 181 hp at the wheels). Nothing super flash, but it is still is fun to drive.

I am running a fairly stock 3T-GTE in a '75 TA-22. Currently, the engine was given a refresh & I installed total seal rings. While I had it apart, I cleaned up the ports (nothing drastic) & match ported them to the standard manifolds. I am running a 3" exhaust system, & just to make things different a GasResearch LPG setup, tuned to run on Gas only. I am also using a home-made water to air intercooler, & have a crude wastegate bleed setup, that is set to give me 13-15 psi from the standard turbo.

I think this setup works quite well, & the biggest benefit I get is the much larger throttle body... the biggest downside, is total lack of throttle response that is inherent with LPG systems... hopefully, this might all change soon, with a LPG injection setup I am playing around with!! (Hello mrshin)

Along with plans for a bigger turbo, & everything that goes with that - forged pistons, o-ringed block, preped rods, crank, etc, etc...

Once again, I have got carried away typing... but I hope this answers your question.
Cheers,
3T-GTE

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Tue, 23 September 2003 13:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thanks guys. I will most likwely buy a set of forgies from Sean when the time comes.
3T GTE,
I know someone else that is running a 3T GTE on gas and getting about 140kw at the wheels. He now has a high flowed CT20 and from what I hear, it sounds like it goes very hard.
Only thing I don't like about running LPG is that you can't use a blow off valve...

Simon
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Tue, 23 September 2003 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi Simon,

I am running a blow-off valve with my LPG setup... nothing too flash, just a bosch one, but it does seem to work ok.

The key to a good LPG setup is to run it in a blow-thru configuration. The GasResearch setup I am using is placed after the turbo, & has been customised to bolt on to the original plenum chamber.

Your friend must be running it the old style "barbeque ring" LPG setup, in a draw-through configuration, which means you have LPG being added right at the inlet, going through your compressor turbine, then possibly thorough your intercooler, then your plumbing, & finally into the inlet.

So if you ran a BOV in this draw-through configuration, it would vent LPG out, which ain't a good thing - unless you like lots of flames. Rolling Eyes

However, if you are running it in a blow-through configuration, you can certainly run a BOV.

The other thing if you are going down the LPG path, is to make sure your ignition timing is re-graphed to suit it. You will find it makes the world of difference.

Correct me if I am wrong on any of this anyone.
Cheers,
3T-GTE.

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Wed, 24 September 2003 07:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
You're right, my friend is runnng LPG through his turbine. Doesn't seem to safe to me, but he hasn't had any problems and it goes hard. I thought of running gas as well, but am now committed to sticking with Petrol.

Simon
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Thu, 25 September 2003 05:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Try Specialised Piston Services in Dandenong. Top rate guys who will make custom pistons for you for about the same dollars. So if you wanted to use larger rods, you could adjust the pin height of the piston to compensate for the longer rods. I was thinking maybe resized fj20 rods. I use them in my rally car. Big, cheap strong.
Happy hunting. By the way if you want to run big hp, ditch the factory management because it should be in a museum. There is a guy selling an MTX-12 for $750 on the for sale forum, that's a bargin. I would choose aftermarket management over forgies anyday. You can still ruin a set of $1200 pistons with poor tuning.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Thu, 25 September 2003 06:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Malkomv2.0 wrote on Thu, 25 September 2003 15:54

I would choose aftermarket management over forgies anyday. You can still ruin a set of $1200 pistons with poor tuning.


Mate your one of the few on here that believes this. Its so true.

Putting in forged pistons is a bandaid solution. Fix the problem by stopping detonation with a good aftermarket computer.

Dick's 166rwkw was with factory internals. The car is increadibly reliable because its been tuned properly.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Thu, 25 September 2003 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Putting in forged pistons is a bandaid solution. Fix the problem by stopping detonation with a good aftermarket computer.




Agreed 100%

Both sets of pistons that I destroyed in my 3TGTE were caused by detonation with the original ECU. The factory computer may be good for a dead stock setup with 7psi, but dont push it, you can try all the tricks (fooling the AFM signal, etc) but its still a dinosaur compared to even an entry level microtech once you try to extract any power from it. You're already on the limit with a 3TGTE, with an old inefficient turbo, and no intercooler = huge inlet temps = detonation.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Thu, 25 September 2003 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
You're right. The more I play with the factory ECU, the more I think of moving to an aftermarket system.
I have already done some major mods to my 3T GTE, if you haven't seen my site I now have-
EVO 5 intercooler
Garrett BB turbo
Boost controller
full 3 inch exhaust
Custom exhaust manifold and turbo dump pipe
Bigger injectors and high flow Bosch pump
Blow off valve
Running stock internals and ECU obviously.

So, what aftermarket system should I use? Do they have a knock control system on these units? This is probably one of the best things about the standard system.
What is the cost and are they simple to install and tune?

Thanks,
Simon
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Thu, 25 September 2003 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey Simon, what's your website address?

I really dont rate the knock control on the factory ECU as being worth anything compared to the many downfalls that the ECU has in other areas (lack of complete ignition control etc). A knock control system is only as reliable as the components in the system (20 years old in the case of the 3TGTE), you should still trust your ears more, or a better aftermarket knock indicator, or just ensure that it is tuned properly in the first place. If you buy a Motec, then you can keep your knock control, at a price Very Happy

I used a haltech E6K on my 3TGTE, which was easy to tune, and simple enough to install for anyone with average elecrical knowledge. Microtech is even more simple. Just dont buy the Haltech for its idle control, or closed loop function, as neither works particularly well.

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Thu, 25 September 2003 23:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Find someone that can tune a computer (PROPERLY!), then put that computer on.


10 bucks says you'll get an extra 20% more power.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 26 September 2003 00:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Often the reason for people choosing forgies in the 3tgt is not for the fact that the tunning is inacurate, but the fact that standard or standard oversize pistons are just not avaliable hence the move to forgies. Also many people like to freshen up there engine before trying to squeze heaps out of it which can require new pistons and sometimes the only option is forged.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 26 September 2003 01:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi Simon,

I think that you can probably see that aftermarket ECU & putting some time, effort & $$$ into getting the engine tuned correctly is the way to go. So the next question is..

How much are you budgeting to spend on an aftermarket ECU?

Where abouts are you based?

If you are in Syndey & want to keep your costs down, I would speak with HKS Pete's friend Dick. He could probably set you up with a Delco system that would work a treat (Maybe Pete you could correct me on this if I am wrong).

Otherwise, if you really want to spend some big $$$ & like features like advanced data logging, G-meters, wheel speed sensors, traction control, boost control, more inputs & outputs then you could ever need.... or if you are planning to start racing your car & want to use features like Motec's interpreter to analyse what you are doing around the track that can be a very useful tool to get the whole car working better...

Of course there is a big difference in how much your bank account will be hurting afterwards. Shocked

The choice is yours though.
Cheers,
3T-GTE.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 26 September 2003 01:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dick loves the 3Ts, and 3Ts love the dick Shocked

I got my JE Camira computer, wiring loom, sensors, plus a fuel rail/throttle body/dizzy/and a few other bits, for a grand total of $150. Plus a knock sensor off my brother, and had it machined down.

Same computer (with less modifications!) would run the 3T engine after some tuning (actually could be drivable without tuning, but only enough to drive it TO a tuner's place). Tuning prices vary from person to person, give me a PM and I'll give you Dick's number if you want.

There is a lot of wiring involved and probably more little things that cost money here or there. Probably would get away with doing it under $2,000. Maybe less if you were good at wiring etc.

That is only for Delco computer. There are a lot of other computers that can run a 3T well.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 26 September 2003 04:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Buy the MTX 12. It won't run closed loop, but will run full sequential and is really cheap at $750. Anthony Rodrigez? at ProMaz will be able to tune it within an inch of its life. Also no more AFM.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 26 September 2003 06:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
What ever system you intend to go I have a 3 bar gm map sensor as used on delco/haltech/motec and possible others going cheap.

HKS PETE the knock sensor configuration you have will be next to usless on a 3t. The knock module on the memcal is specific to engine carteristics ie harmonic of the block.

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Fri, 26 September 2003 10:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thanks guys,
Firstly, if you want to see my Celica my site address is
http://users.chariot.net.au/~stmezz/celica.htm

I'm in Adelaide. I make a few calls today and it seems that something like a Microtech system is pretty good value for money. The best seems to be Motec, BUT its too much cash for me.

It sounds like a management system that controls both fuel and ignition is the way to go? Ignition control is new to me (now have a standard ECU), so what does it control? They tell me that I can still use my original dizzy and coils and still have ignition control. How does it work?

What ar ethe advantages of getting rid of the dizzy etc and going for a crank angle sensor?
What about the oxygen sensor? Does that come with the management system or do I use the genuine one that there now?

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Simon
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icon7.gif  Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 27 September 2003 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
just a few pointers/corrections

* Factory 3T-GTE pistons are still available from Toyota last I checked.

* Microtech ECU's are tailered to certain vehicle, IE Not any Microtech will run any vehicle, Not al LTX-8's for example are the same. They are manufactured slightly different to suit different cars which is why Microtch keep NOTHING in stock. EVERYTHING is assembled to order.

* If you want a Good aftermarkert ECU you can't go past Autronic. It isn't the cheapest out there to buy (An SMC will set you back $1910) but its very tuner friendly and Dyno time is less than alot of the cheaper non laptop tuneable or less tuner friendly options.

* Dandenong piston sertvice do make good pistons ! Smile

Simon,

You generally use your factory O2 sensor with aftermarket management (unless you get a motec).
Ignition timing is the shit ! the correct tioming at the right time is cruitual to good healthy horse power.
Yes you can use normal coils, depending on the ECU you may need a particular type of ignitor.
Personally I won't be running a dizzy and all going to plan ignition will be via an Autronic CDI unit for mongel of a fat juicy spark Smile
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 27 September 2003 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thanks Rod,
I'll look into the Autronic unit.
So far ir seems that either an LT-8 or LTX-8 is a good choice.
I would rather get rid of the dizzy but wouldn't mind keepin the original dual coils.
Does anyone know the difference between the LT8 and LTX8? What does the "X" mean?

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Simon
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 27 September 2003 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
"X" means that it has an internal ignitor module, so no need to fit one separately.

You will need to lock the mechanical advance weights in the base of the 3TGTE dizzy when you fit an ECU that controls ignition timing. Also need to remove the vacuum line that attaches to the diaphragm on the side of the dizzy.

As Rod said, tell microtech what you want, and they can advise/configure what you need.

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 27 September 2003 15:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
3tgte is 125kw 160hp in stock.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sat, 27 September 2003 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
OK, lets say I go for the LTX8. My plan would be to get rid of the dizzy but I want to keep some sort of knock control.
If I keep the original dual coils does that mean I can keep the orignal knock control and use aftermarket fuel and ignition control? Would it be better to sue aftermarket coils as well?
Do you get new throttle position snesors when you buy aftermarket or do I have to use the original TPS?

Rod,
I looked into the autronic setup, it seems like you need to buy ignition and fuel as separate systems. So I'm asuming the price will be too high for me.

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Sun, 28 September 2003 23:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
roger wrote on Fri, 26 September 2003 16:23

HKS PETE the knock sensor configuration you have will be next to usless on a 3t. The knock module on the memcal is specific to engine carteristics ie harmonic of the block.


Thanks for bagging out a system without all the facts. Welcome to this forum Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

The knock module on the memcal is suited to these knock sensors, NOT the block's harmonics. For something that doesn't work 166rwkw on stock internals is pretty good. Twisted Evil
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 29 September 2003 01:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
HKS pete.

Strange I don't know anything about the system? I sent you the information on how to set up your own diagnostic link. I actually love the system and personal think that it is as good if not better than most aftermarket systems.

I have written tunning progrems the decipher the mamcal so I would say I know a little and have some experience with programming these system. I think you need to do a little bit more research into the use of the knock module yourself. as the DSP contained on the knock module is specific to an engine. I am not saying it will not work I am saying it would not be ideal. By the the way I think you will find that most of the knock sensors produce the same signal.

I have run the system on my 3tgt but didn't finish the tunning before I wrote the car off.

[Updated on: Mon, 29 September 2003 01:40]

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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 29 September 2003 01:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alright then, whatever Rolling Eyes . Don't really care. Am sick of people saying it won't work on these forums to people that have either done it or know someone who has.

And you previously said "next to usless", now your saying it could work. Please don't mince words as its hard to tell what your saying when its text.


I personally don't know much about it other than I had to get a V6 knock sensor (most readily available as not many people know they've got them as they're not used on the V6) and get it machined to suit my engine hole(s). I've seen the knock on the computer diagnostics and it seems ok, but I'm not an expert, thats why I paid for an expert to tune it.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 29 September 2003 04:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Simon... did you used to live in Brisbane and be a member of the celica car club?
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 29 September 2003 05:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wellwellwell... my cars been off the road for 8 weeks now with prob 2-3weeks left .

old setup was stockish but now..

new rebuilt 3tgte
new ct26 A single turbo
Haltech f10 ecu
2 1/2" ehxaust - straight threw
3" custom dumpy
new custom manifold
dual coils and supra injectors
large oil cooler front mounted
boxed airintake with bonnet vent for extra coldness Very Happy
front mount GTiR intercooler - 2 1/2" pipen allround

no idea what psi to run. what do u recon would b safe? its in a sprinter btw. supra box the lot.

no idea what it will run on new setup
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 29 September 2003 05:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
it will run close to 20psi if u want it to
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 29 September 2003 05:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah 15psi(+) should be good on that setup. Find out when it starts pinging then dumb it down a few psi.

Sounds like theres enough fuel to cope with a fair bit of power.
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 29 September 2003 06:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
and how reliable will that b?
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 29 September 2003 07:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
How well is it going to be tuned? Who is doing the tuning? How much is the tuning costing? How are you going to drive it? How long is a peice of string?
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 29 September 2003 07:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tuneing will b haltech its self, they have contact me and have offerd for them to do it themselves, with my mercanic doing the tuneing at thier outlet.

he knows his shit.



il b driven it as a daily driver with a low/high boost switch daily will b standard boost with the high around the 12-13psi and then prob for strip what ever it takes.


the peice of string is 2m
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Re: Tell me about the power of your 3T GTE Mon, 29 September 2003 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
... and you'll bring it to the next dyno day!

Sounds like a nice setup.
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