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juzzo84
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20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Thu, 16 October 2003 09:22 Go to next message
will the 20v silver top throttle bodies bolt up to the aussie spec 100kw???
thanks
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Thu, 16 October 2003 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gimme an S!
gimme an E!
gimme an A!
gimme an R!
gimme an C!
gimme an H!

WHADDA YA HAVE?

SEARCH! (psst. up there ^^^ !)

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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Thu, 16 October 2003 21:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ok mr cheerleader, i will do some searching Laughing
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Thu, 16 October 2003 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
not without an adaptor juzzo...
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Thu, 16 October 2003 23:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
*hopefully*
*maybe*
I will actually HAVE a number of such adapters before too much longer - out of interest, how many people WOULD be interested in such a part? Twisted Evil
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Fri, 17 October 2003 01:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I might be interested depending on the cost, quality and materials used
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Fri, 17 October 2003 01:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
FWIW this is my small port 4AGE with 20v throttles on it.

http://www.billzilla.org/sprinterbay.jpg

Well worth the trouble. Better fuel economy, more power, MUCH better sound. Wink
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Fri, 17 October 2003 01:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey Bill.
Do you have any pics of the adapter plate? and what length trumpets are you running under those filters??
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Fri, 17 October 2003 03:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I am interested in this adapter, how much would this roughly cost.

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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Fri, 17 October 2003 04:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Still waiting on exact details about how much it's going to cost to get a few of these cast - I'll let everyone know soon as I can, just wanted to see if anyone other than me was even remotely interested in the idea! Evil or Very Mad
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Fri, 17 October 2003 05:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Me me me me me!! Smile hehe . Let me know when u get a price on the cast.. Cheers

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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Fri, 17 October 2003 07:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mrshin, i'm remotely interested in it, but i don't have a suitable programmable ECU, the quads or a 4AGE. apart from that, yeah.

cast them yourself!

backyardmetalcasting.com

i'd probably file them out of an alloy block or something hideosly labor intensive, or modify a 16 valve inlet manifold (i've seen radiator hose used before in such a situation)

i'd like to check out you hachi one day too if you have the time, i have heard it is a bit of a machine

[Updated on: Sat, 18 October 2003 00:45]

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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Fri, 17 October 2003 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill Sherwood how much did it cost to put them on , how labour intensive was it?
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Fri, 17 October 2003 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I made the adaptor myself. It's actually two (well, five) pieces though - The original manifold was to be for a pair of Webers/Mikuni's gutted so they'd work as throttle bodies, but I ended up using 20v throttle bodies instead.
I also worked with an engine simulation program that told me that I needed the inlet system to be a lot shorter than the Weber-style manifold + Minuki's would be, but longer than just fitting the 20v TB's onto the end of the manifold.
So I milled up four ~30mm long blocks that bolt onto the manifold and the 20v TB's bolt onto those. (so, a one-pice manifold plus four smaller blocks)
Messy, but it works well.
For cost, not much in material terms but plenty of time on the miller & MIG welding.
The inlet trumpets are my own design and are very short.

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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Sat, 18 October 2003 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i'd be interested in those adaptor plates. pm me the details, price...etc

cheers
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Sat, 18 October 2003 22:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
remember its not just a case of bolting on the quads with the adaptor and the throttle bodies. you need to think about ECU ect - remember Bill runs a Motec M4 (correct me if i'm wrong here Bill) to control all this - i don't think a 100kw ECU would run all this gear in stock form!
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Sun, 19 October 2003 02:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
My car a machine? hmm.... Well, in the coming weeks it should become a good deal more of a machine than it ever was, too! Evil or Very Mad A few of you already know what I'm talking about..

I started making an adapter from scratch out of steel, and while it could have worked, I figured that there's no harm in making a few at once. And yes, you will need to do something with the ECU to make it work - I'll be using a Motec myself.

Price, I'll let everyone know as soon as I do myself!

As for home-grown casting, I have actually tried it before - have made a few little pieces out of aluminium, although it usually turned out pretty lumpy, etc.
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Sun, 19 October 2003 02:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message

Would this mean , to put them on a new ecu (aftermarket) would have to be purchased, would it be possible to use one off a 20vaule.

Is it legal to put the QTB on an 16vaule 4AGE?
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Tue, 21 October 2003 13:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
does anyone know if it's possible to get the quads for a 4agze that's now turbo not supercharged.

thanks in advance.
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Wed, 22 October 2003 00:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
My 4ag's turbocharged, and soon as I get the bits is going to have quads Evil or Very Mad
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Wed, 22 October 2003 23:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
How would 20v throttle bodies go on an 18RG, I realise it would need an adaptor.

Just wondering if it would be an improvement on the 40mm solexes (32mm large venturi) or would I be better off making my own throttle bodies (from scratch)
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Thu, 23 October 2003 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SHIN! put the quaddies on WHITEY! that thing is a machine !
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Thu, 23 October 2003 23:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey, a mate of mine's gonna give me a set of dellorto's to put on Ol' Whitey, when I get a chance (and can seriously be buggered!) Surprised
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Thu, 23 October 2003 23:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Plus, with the 18R, maybe you could just gut out your existing carbs? Evil or Very Mad
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Thu, 23 October 2003 23:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah, I have heard of that method but I would rather have shorter TBs and longer trumpets, with the modified carbies there is a space limit in an RA28. Plus, no matter how much I gut the solexes, they will still be 40mm solexes (I realise that the entrance to the port is only 35mm but I figure that bigger is better if you want to leave room for further mods, right?

Where on the manifold would be a good spot to mount the injectors? There is more room on the underside, but the most suitable mounting securing points are on the top.

Any input will be good.
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Re: 20v quad throttles onto a 4age 100kw Fri, 24 October 2003 02:32 Go to previous message
You'd be able to buy (at no doubt unthinkable cost!) throttles that'll bolt straight onto your engine....

On a more reasonable budget, some significant messing with aluminium welding, plate, die grinder, etc. etc. would make you a manifold to suit. As for injector platement, I guess positioning of the fuel rail etc. has a lot to do with it - also, what's it going to cost by the time you do the intake, ECU, fuel system, ignition, etc. anyway? Just that I wouldn't want to spend TOO much on the 18r... but then thats just personal opinion Surprised
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