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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:36
 
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| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:29 |
| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:16 |
But I just dont like people that come on here and the first thing the do is insult other people or try and rubbish their posts!
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ha, a hypocrit at his best, perhaps you should recap what you said about me suggesting a bad earth, its still in your signature now, you know that is complete bullshit,the shit some people say and do amazes me.
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In the original thread where you started your crap with me I simply asked why every electrical problem was a bad earth! This was in no way directed at you and if my memory serves me correctly you hadn't even posted in that thread at that time!
Now for some reason you felt that this was directed at you! I did not rubbish anyone at all I just simply asked why!
So why did you start all this crap? Now whats the bet that you dont answer this question 
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:39
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I have come on this forum to get ideas and tips of others and suggest ideas and tips to others, that is what this forum is about.
But every time a make a post that you have seen, you have to reply back giving me shit or making some crap sarcastic remark, havent you??
I am just simply trying to use this forum for help and to give others help, I dont want to know what you think of my post, go and winge to your mum or send me a pm if it distresses you so much you have to metion it.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:40
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| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:32 |
| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:29 |
| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:25 |
| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:03 |
Mate your kind have been on this forum before and they did not last, Being the scum you are you will not last either! It beats me why you even waste the bandwidth by coming onto these forums because everything you say is just shit or an insult. But if you must, just keep going with your crap and you will be gone like the rest 
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You treat this forum as if you have no life, I simply reply to threads giving my opinion or trying to help out and all I recieve from you is bullshit or some sarcastic lame remark.
Whenever I make a post in a thread where you not around, no one whines and whinges like you they take my thoughts and ideas into consideration instead of blasting out shit like they know everything.
For you, you need to get out once in a while and stop treating this forum as the only thing within your life, I simply made a post stating someones remark was 'lame' and you went crazy.......understand this is only a forum on the internet, no need to say what you said over a small remark, especially when you make remarks that are worse.
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Maybe your posts wouldnt be so "lame" if you could express your "thoughts" in a way that wasnt insulting and not by saying someone elses throughts were lame!
Or is it just that your english skills dont extend that far?
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You tell me what his fuckin post was all about, it said people cannot afford uni, whereas it is clear as day that 99% of people can if they want to. To me that is lame ok, it is a forum, a forum is where ideas are given, get over it.
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Can you not read? He did not say that people cant afford to go to Uni, He asked what about people that cant afford it!
Learn to read!
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:41
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| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:39 |
I have come on this forum to get ideas and tips of others and suggest ideas and tips to others, that is what this forum is about.
But every time a make a post that you have seen, you have to reply back giving me shit or making some crap sarcastic remark, havent you??
I am just simply trying to use this forum for help and to give others help, I dont want to know what you think of my post, go and winge to your mum or send me a pm if it distresses you so much you have to metion it.
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Answer the simple question! Why did you start all your crap in the first place?
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:43
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| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:36 |
| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:29 |
| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:16 |
But I just dont like people that come on here and the first thing the do is insult other people or try and rubbish their posts!
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ha, a hypocrit at his best, perhaps you should recap what you said about me suggesting a bad earth, its still in your signature now, you know that is complete bullshit,the shit some people say and do amazes me.
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In the original thread where you started your crap with me I simply asked why every electrical problem was a bad earth! This was in no way directed at you and if my memory serves me correctly you hadn't even posted in that thread at that time!
Now for some reason you felt that this was directed at you! I did not rubbish anyone at all I just simply asked why!
So why did you start all this crap? Now whats the bet that you dont answer this question
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I quoted your remark about earths and as you placed a few 'fucks' in there. I replied in a placid way simply saying 'perhaps because that is the most easiest and common problem associated with earths'. Then you decided it was time to get up me. What was that all about, to me you started the crap cause clearly I didnt in that remark.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:45
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| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:43 |
| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:36 |
| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:29 |
| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:16 |
But I just dont like people that come on here and the first thing the do is insult other people or try and rubbish their posts!
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ha, a hypocrit at his best, perhaps you should recap what you said about me suggesting a bad earth, its still in your signature now, you know that is complete bullshit,the shit some people say and do amazes me.
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In the original thread where you started your crap with me I simply asked why every electrical problem was a bad earth! This was in no way directed at you and if my memory serves me correctly you hadn't even posted in that thread at that time!
Now for some reason you felt that this was directed at you! I did not rubbish anyone at all I just simply asked why!
So why did you start all this crap? Now whats the bet that you dont answer this question
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Then you decided it was time to get up me. What was that all about, to me you started the crap cause clearly I didnt in that remark.
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I really think your mistaken and you should go find the original thread and re-read it!
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:46
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| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:40 |
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Can you not read? He did not say that people cant afford to go to Uni, He asked what about people that cant afford it!
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That is exactly why it is lame, and yes I can read perfectly well, perhaps better than you, because I believe it is lame because there is no reason anyone cannot afford Uni, government assisstance alone and paying Uni course by HECS could get anyone through uni.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:48
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| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:46 |
| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:40 |
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Can you not read? He did not say that people cant afford to go to Uni, He asked what about people that cant afford it!
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government assisstance alone and paying Uni course by HECS could get anyone through uni.
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And the government will pay my pension when I retire
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:52
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| Cool1 wrote on Fri, 17 October 2003 17:28 |
Why the fuck is every electrical problem talked about on this forum automatically diagnosed as being a bad earth 
Anyway what type of relay are you using? Can you get a photo of the relay? Preferably the side which shows the internal circuit so I can talk you through the wiring?
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| ta23 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 12:28 |
| Cool1 wrote on Fri, 17 October 2003 17:28 |
Why the fuck is every electrical problem talked about on this forum automatically diagnosed as being a bad earth
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Perhaps because that is one of the simplest and most obvious things to fix that is associated with burning wires...
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| Cool1 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 12:54 |
| ta23 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 12:28 |
| Cool1 wrote on Fri, 17 October 2003 17:28 |
Why the fuck is every electrical problem talked about on this forum automatically diagnosed as being a bad earth
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Perhaps because that is one of the simplest and most obvious things to fix that is associated with burning wires...
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Ok now explain why having a bad earth would cause wires to burn out?
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| ta23 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 17:04 |
As he has said -
| THE WITZL wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 16:52 |
if an earth wire is say, perhaps grossly undersized (i have seen this first hand on more than one occasion!)
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Also I have had experiences with burnt wires on my Haltech EMS, when I contacted the guy that wired up my EMS for me he pointed out that it is a bad earth, soon as earth fixed, no more burnt wires. Is this good enough for you or do you know better cool1?
If this mechanic pointed this out over the phone it is obviously a common problem which is easily fixed, I believe that is why people suggest having bad earths when this type of electrical problem occurs.
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| Cool1 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 18:32 |
| ta23 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 17:04 |
As he has said -
| THE WITZL wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 16:52 |
if an earth wire is say, perhaps grossly undersized (i have seen this first hand on more than one occasion!)
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Also I have had experiences with burnt wires on my Haltech EMS, when I contacted the guy that wired up my EMS for me he pointed out that it is a bad earth, soon as earth fixed, no more burnt wires. Is this good enough for you or do you know better cool1?
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No thats not good enough, it doesnt explain a damm thing! Maybe you should re-read the guys original post! There is no way his problem is caused by a bad earth!
I think you should go back to college and redo your electronics course
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To me it looks as though you started this whole argument, if you like point out to me where i was aggresive, because I think your last post was the one that hit it off
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:54
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havent you guys decided who's got the bigger dick yet? 
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:55
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 You missed a one or a few of your posts
You were the first one to make the "i'm so much better than you" remark!
Would you like me to quote it here?
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:56
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| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:48 |
| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:46 |
| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:40 |
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Can you not read? He did not say that people cant afford to go to Uni, He asked what about people that cant afford it!
Learn to read!
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government assisstance alone and paying Uni course by HECS could get anyone through uni.
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And the government will pay my pension when I retire
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It is common knowledge you get a Uni degree to further uplift or help begin a career, in doing so you usually get paid more, for the max $30000(most cases a lot less) you spend doing uni, you earn that back and usually more with the job you get, even if you get a poor paying job, I am sure a pension would still be foreseeable.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:57
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| Cool1 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:55 |
You missed a one or a few of your posts
You were the first one to make the "i'm so much better than you" remark!
Would you like me to quote it here?
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Goto the original post now and let me know what I have missed out...please I would love to know!
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 13:59
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"max $30k"?
I wish
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:02
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thought so cool1
Cant you just admit you are wrong and please drop this subject, I am over it.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:03
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It is common knowledge you get a Uni degree to further uplift or help begin a career, in doing so you usually get paid more, for the max $30000(most cases a lot less) you spend doing uni, you earn that back and usually more with the job you get, even if you get a poor paying job, I am sure a pension would still be foreseeable.
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you obviously still live with your parents
especially with the new shit that the governments trying to implement, its damn hard to live, study, work and go to full time uni.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:05
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| ta23 wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 00:02 |
thought so cool1
Cant you just admit you are wrong and please drop this subject, I am over it.
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I'm sorry I cant type as fast as you
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:07
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fuck that
its hard for me and I am living with my parents!
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:10
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| Cool1 wrote on Fri, 17 October 2003 17:28 |
Why the fuck is every electrical problem talked about on this forum automatically diagnosed as being a bad earth
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| ta23 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 12:28 |
Perhaps because that is one of the simplest and most obvious things to fix that is associated with burning wires...
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| Cool1 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 12:54 |
Ok now explain why having a bad earth would cause wires to burn out?
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All ok so far!
| ta23 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 17:04 |
As he has said -
| THE WITZL wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 16:52 |
if an earth wire is say, perhaps grossly undersized (i have seen this first hand on more than one occasion!)
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Also I have had experiences with burnt wires on my Haltech EMS, when I contacted the guy that wired up my EMS for me he pointed out that it is a bad earth, soon as earth fixed, no more burnt wires. Is this good enough for you or do you know better cool1?
If this mechanic pointed this out over the phone it is obviously a common problem which is easily fixed, I believe that is why people suggest having bad earths when this type of electrical problem occurs.
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See the bold print?
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:12
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| speakafreaka wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 00:03 |
| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:56 |
It is common knowledge you get a Uni degree to further uplift or help begin a career, in doing so you usually get paid more, for the max $30000(most cases a lot less) you spend doing uni, you earn that back and usually more with the job you get, even if you get a poor paying job, I am sure a pension would still be foreseeable.
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you obviously still live with your parents
especially with the new shit that the governments trying to implement, its damn hard to live, study, work and go to full time uni.
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Your not doubting him are you?
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:17
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 00:12 |
| speakafreaka wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 00:03 |
| ta23 wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 23:56 |
It is common knowledge you get a Uni degree to further uplift or help begin a career, in doing so you usually get paid more, for the max $30000(most cases a lot less) you spend doing uni, you earn that back and usually more with the job you get, even if you get a poor paying job, I am sure a pension would still be foreseeable.
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you obviously still live with your parents
especially with the new shit that the governments trying to implement, its damn hard to live, study, work and go to full time uni.
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Your not doubting him are you?
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not at all.. im outright telling him that he lives with his parents because theres no way he could say that uni is affordable without having mummy buy you food and clothes
BTW.. theres no way that pensions will still be around when we retire. Thats what compulsory super contributions are for... if you run out of money.. tough! you die!
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:20
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| speakafreaka wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 00:17 |
not at all.. im outright telling him that he lives with his parents because theres no way he could say that uni is affordable without having mummy buy you food and clothes
BTW.. theres no way that pensions will still be around when we retire. Thats what compulsory super contributions are for... if you run out of money.. tough! you die!
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Oh man! Now you've gone and done it 
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:20
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well i cant really talk.. its why i moved home!
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:21
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 00:10 |
| Cool1 wrote on Fri, 17 October 2003 17:28 |
Why the fuck is every electrical problem talked about on this forum automatically diagnosed as being a bad earth
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| ta23 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 12:28 |
Perhaps because that is one of the simplest and most obvious things to fix that is associated with burning wires...
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| Cool1 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 12:54 |
Ok now explain why having a bad earth would cause wires to burn out?
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All ok so far!
| ta23 wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 17:04 |
As he has said -
| THE WITZL wrote on Sat, 18 October 2003 16:52 |
if an earth wire is say, perhaps grossly undersized (i have seen this first hand on more than one occasion!)
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Also I have had experiences with burnt wires on my Haltech EMS, when I contacted the guy that wired up my EMS for me he pointed out that it is a bad earth, soon as earth fixed, no more burnt wires. Is this good enough for you or do you know better cool1?
If this mechanic pointed this out over the phone it is obviously a common problem which is easily fixed, I believe that is why people suggest having bad earths when this type of electrical problem occurs.
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See the bold print?
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Yep i see the bold print, if a type of question like that insults you over a forum you have some serious issues.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:24
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It didnt insult me, I'm just saying that you made the first smart arse comment!
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:24
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ner ner
takes one to know one
ner ner
i know you are but what am i?
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:26
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It didnt insult me, I'm just saying that you made the first smart arse comment!
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Ok then, I'm am so sorry I made the first smart arse comment, can you get over it already....
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:27
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ner ner
takes one to know one
ner ner
i know you are but what am i?
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ok then........
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 14:28
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random quote to end this crap
"Ive been thinking with my guts since I was 14. And frankly, Ive come to the conclusion that my guts have shit for brains"
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 22 October 2003 20:54
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degrees dont always garentee jobs
you should see the ammount of law students who have a degree under their belt go through the dole queues at centrelink. no kick arse grades, no articles, no articles and you aint ever gonna be a lawyer
a uni degree in some instances is just a way to piss away 3-5 years.
a couple of friends of mine(one who's completed 2 and a half degrees ) have pretty much said tertiary education teaches you to learn, gives you some basic skills, and lets you fuck about for a couple of years.
most real learning comes in the work place which is why i suppose alot i'm starting to notice alot of degrees need work experience for to attain the degree.
what does piss me off are people who think lesser\more of people who go to uni other than tafe(or vice versa)
anywho
chances are somones already posted shit but yeah....too early in the morning to read it ALL and i'm depressed, pay day and i had to watch half it go in bills already *winges*
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Thu, 23 October 2003 00:59
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| Cyber-punk wrote on Thu, 23 October 2003 04:54 |
you should see the ammount of law students who have a degree under their belt go through the dole queues at centrelink. no kick arse grades, no articles, no articles and you aint ever gonna be a
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if someone goes to uni and does law/comms eng/comp eng/psych etc etc and expects to go through it with a 60-70% avg, and walk out of uni into a job, they are dreaming and shouldnt have wasted their money
to get a job in those fields (and many others) you need at least 80% if not 90% avg, coz companies only want the best students.
now, with power eng, there is such a shortage of ppl with these degrees (in perth there is anyway, and i'm pretty sure there is over australia), that it doesnt matter what score you get, whether u do honours, etc etc, you will almost be guarenteed a job
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Thu, 23 October 2003 02:03
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TP's go to uni 
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Thu, 23 October 2003 02:08
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TP's?
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Thu, 23 October 2003 02:26
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TP's means Teachers Pet
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Thu, 23 October 2003 23:42
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Last year i did both full time tafe and part time uni. I finished the diploma at tafe and moved on to full time uni this year. TAFE was bloody easy for a diploma in IT (network engineering), i had 9 hours a week and never any homework. Uni is pretty full on but it is shit loads more fun!
Also, if you don't have the grades to get in to uni just do a TAFE course. i did 1 years tafe and that got me credit for one years uni. TAFE cost me $250, uni would have cost me $6000. I also finish a 3 year degree in 2.5 years cause i did part time uni while i was full time tafe.
Overall I rekon TAFE (in IT anyway) is a shit load easier than Uni but Uni degrees seem to be worth more.
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Thu, 23 October 2003 23:47
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Wait till you get to 3rd year 
Can either be really hard (the subjects definately are harder), or even more fun as its mainly electives so you can chose what to go into.
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tell mea bout it - if you're a psych student and dont get a good gpa, and do postgrad studies, the degree qualifies you for precisely DICK.
you need 4th year qualifications, plus either a masters or 2 years practice + 2 years study
considering 220 people did my 3rd year subjects, and about half that are doing 4th year, I wonder what those other 100 people are doing with themselves.
main bonus with psych being, once you have those 6 years of study, you've shwon commitment to make it thru there, and it's easy to get an entry level job. not necessarily in the field you want, but that's why you work entry level for a few years, do well, then move.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Sun, 02 November 2003 14:45
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| draven wrote on Sun, 02 November 2003 16:31 |
I wonder what those other 100 people are doing with themselves.
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from what i hear, anybody that doesnt get invited back for 4th year psych, goes and does one year of dip ed, and becomes a teacher
it could be a rumour, but its what ive heard
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Sun, 02 November 2003 21:27
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| THE WITZL wrote on Mon, 20 October 2003 17:12 |
We have discussed various aspects of our courses, and it's clear that at TAFE there is more concentration on the technical and real world aspects of the field, whereas at uni we concentrate on ALL aspects of the field - so that any graduate has the ability to work in any aspect of the given field with a level of expertise and experience.
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Not having a go at anyone as I know that Karl is a practical resource for a lot of things and will probably end up as the sort of engineer that they all should be. But why are uni engineers SO impractical and not at all hands on?
Seems that uni trains thinkers, TAFE trains dooers.
Waiting for petrol and matches to be applied......
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Mon, 03 November 2003 09:00
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| clubagreenie wrote on Mon, 03 November 2003 07:27 |
| THE WITZL wrote on Mon, 20 October 2003 17:12 |
We have discussed various aspects of our courses, and it's clear that at TAFE there is more concentration on the technical and real world aspects of the field, whereas at uni we concentrate on ALL aspects of the field - so that any graduate has the ability to work in any aspect of the given field with a level of expertise and experience.
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Not having a go at anyone as I know that Karl is a practical resource for a lot of things and will probably end up as the sort of engineer that they all should be. But why are uni engineers SO impractical and not at all hands on?
Seems that uni trains thinkers, TAFE trains dooers.
Waiting for petrol and matches to be applied......
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Are you trying to say that Uni grads are all wankers?
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Mon, 03 November 2003 09:07
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well, to that I'd reply "tafe trains the people uni wont take"
neither of them being true, but both casting a narrow light on a couple of people that fit the generalisation
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Tue, 04 November 2003 10:42
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clubagreenie, what you say is true!
but that has always been the case and will always BE the case. You have people who do it with their hands, and make the part fit, yet couldn't design it without going to Uni, and those who have the unenviable task of making a perfect part without actually having the hands on knowledge of how best to make it fit.
Symbiotic relationship I say! It is good when you get an engineer who has spent a year working in his field just doing the hands-on stuff.
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Wed, 05 November 2003 07:48
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I know I said it was my last but I had to post today's comment.
"Can't we just cut the floor bearer and joist to make it work?"
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Wed, 05 November 2003 07:58
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you seem to be forgetting that there are 2 types of engineers out there
there are academics, and there are engineers
engineers have been brought up from a kid to act and think like an engineer, and have always done things hands on
they usually get through uni with very avg results, but when it comes to doing a job, they have a very good concept of what works in the real world.
academics are ppl that have been brought up by accountants and clerks, and never have done anything hands on
they breeze through uni with the best marks (as they know ALL the theory backwards and inside out), but when it comes to a job, they have no concept of what works in the real world
tradesmen have the engineering upbringing, and so doing things seem normal to them, and get easily pissed off my an academic
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Wed, 05 November 2003 08:15
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i've read ALL of this and to sum it up in a sentence:
Who cares about qualifications/whatever we all work we all hate working we all need money hence the reason why work.
no go and waste some of your hard earned money or your car people!
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Wed, 05 November 2003 08:47
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| Cressida Supra wrote on Wed, 05 November 2003 18:58 |
engineers have been brought up from a kid to act and think like an engineer, and have always done things hands on
they usually get through uni with very avg results, but when it comes to doing a job, they have a very good concept of what works in the real world.
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PLEASE send me one of these! I will pay good money. I thought they were only in movies and my daughters story books.
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Wed, 05 November 2003 09:06
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I know a few examples of both, but alas, Software Engineer's aren't likely to be much use for you
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Wed, 05 November 2003 13:11
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Hi,
I've got an Economics degree, and am doing Honours in Information Systems. My thesis is titled "Proactive Polices in Combating Internet Fraud". I also have done a Diploma at TAFE. My Diploma was Remedial Massage. I did this whilst I was doing my Economics degree. I also did a night engine building course at TAFE a few years ago.
I believe TAFE and Uni are difficult in there own ways, and they both have there place. Lots of people went to TAFE to go to Uni, and these people were just as "smart" as Uni students.
It's simply horses for courses.
I think TAFE trains people to do things, whilst Uni teaches you to think more??? TAFE tends to be more subject specific.
Cheers,
Justin
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 05 November 2003 13:45
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| clubagreenie wrote on Wed, 05 November 2003 16:47 |
PLEASE send me one of these! I will pay good money. I thought they were only in movies and my daughters story books.
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i AM one of these, but i dont think u could afford me
it would cost u a lot to move me out of perth
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Thu, 06 November 2003 08:46
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im goin to tafe and i'll be earning more than 40k when im finished.. oh and by the way im a 1st year sparky apprentice
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Thu, 06 November 2003 11:51
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Mon, 20 October 2003 14:06 |
its like comparing a nurse to a doctor
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Im a nurse i studied at university for 3 yrs to achieve my degree to become a health professional.
Now im not sure what your trying to portray here.
But we [nurses] are an underpaid profession.
Hence, one would think by the salary we get be of TAFE qualification standards.
Now, on the otherhand its pretty tough for doctors too.
Especially when they start off after yrs of uni.
They get paid crap as interns but eventually after few years they can work themselves up the heirachy and earn decent income.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Sun, 16 November 2003 20:00
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geez, this descended into a shit-fight for a while 
well, i have a degree in metallurgy. for me to be employed by an australian company as a Metallurgist, doing metallurgy things requires me to have maybe 5-10 years experience as a metallurgist, which i can't get as i won't get a job without experience.
the foundry i did my industrial training at (6 months) during my degree, had 6 metallurgists working the shit floor jobs. one was from poland and his last job was BUILDING foundries from the foundations up!! but still he couldn't land a metallurgy job in OZ.
when i get my PhD (ahh the Ramones )i will be virtually unemployable in australia as a metallurgist as i will be 'over-qualified' even tho without it i am 'under-experienced'.
so i pretty much have two choices.
1) stay within the uni system doing post-doctorate research
2) go and work in another country for a couple of years, then come back and get a job as a metallurgist here...
thing is tho, if i stay doing uni research (with no academic aspirations) i stay on a reasonably good, but static pay level, which i would not reach as a production metallurgist within 5 or 10 years (after i get the 5-10 years exp )
anyhoo, getting a degree is not the bees knees of getting jobs, it really depends on how specialised you are. me? i'm too specialised (high temp corrosion), but i know a bit about virtually anything to do with metals and materials processing.
what i probably will do is go and hang around a few race workshops and apply my degree there, even tho not as an 'engineer' as such..
oh, and 'engineer' used to mean the job of a 'professional' (and not the worlds oldest profession ) which also meant you had to be part of a 'professional organisation' and technically, without membership of one of them (like IMEA, or whatever) then you aren't a professional and not an engineer, with our without a degree....
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If you want to earn more than $35k a year, then you'll need a university degree.
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well, some of my friends earn way more... Perl programmer (no degree)=$240K in contract work, 'international business consultant' (some random business degree)=$300K+,
shift metallurgist $25-30k
hmmmmmmmmmm
[Updated on: Sun, 16 November 2003 20:10]
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Tue, 18 November 2003 08:27
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A bloke i know who is an IT contracter once told me he hates uni grads because he has to retrain them, they know everything but dont know how to get on the computer and apply their knowledge
As apposed to TAFE students who can sit down and get started straight away
this is Software development btw so for anything else i have no idea
Me, im on the last few weeks of compleating my Diploma in IT (software development) and its been a great course
but on the plus side, my tafe offers a 1.5 year course ontop of mine to get my batchelor of IT, all at the tafe
so basically i get Diploma of IT and Batchelor in 3.5 years at the one instituion, i recon its a great deal
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Tue, 09 March 2004 14:21
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| THE WITZL wrote on Mon, 20 October 2003 17:12 |
| Cool1 wrote on Mon, 20 October 2003 16:23 |
| HKSPete wrote on Mon, 20 October 2003 15:35 |
| Cool1 wrote on Mon, 20 October 2003 14:51 |
I throught this debate was about electronics/electrical engineering
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You kept referring to a TRADE. Is electrical engineering a trade? Do you need to do an apprenticeship to become an Electrical engineer tradesman?
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You do need to an apprenticeship to become an electrical engineering tradesman, however you dont have to do an apprenticeship to be come an electrical engineer!
I'm doing a doctorate to become an Electronics tradesman engineer!
There are various types of engineering courses available, but I choose to do the doctorate but you can also do the bachelor or just the plain engineering.
Hope thats clear?
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WHOA!!
I really find it horrible the way that the term, "Engineer" is being used so loosely here, and by TAFE's. To me an engineer is a professional, who is well trained in the academic, social and technical aspects of their field of study.
An engineer to me is NOT someone who has a crapload of technical expertise - they are a technician. Note the derivative of the word.
Lets take the example of myself, studying Telecommunications Engineering at the University of Technology, Sydney... and a friend of mine studying Telecommunications Engineering at TAFE.
We have discussed various aspects of our courses, and it's clear that at TAFE there is more concentration on the technical and real world aspects of the field, whereas at uni we concentrate on ALL aspects of the field - so that any graduate has the ability to work in any aspect of the given field with a level of expertise and experience.
I should also have you note that in order to complete my Bachelor of Engineering, i am required to do a MINIMUM of 46 weeks of FULL TIME work as an engineer split into two parts across my degree. IE i have to get a job, TWICE.
My friend doesn't do any topics such as Engineering for Sustainability, Engineering Communications, Uncertainties and Risks in Engineering (need i go on).... whereas i don't get to do all the indepth fancy prac's, nor play with some of the high end technical equipment etc, unless i chose to as electives etc.
Basically, uni engineering teahces the whole thing, with less focus on the actual technical stuff.
TAFE teaches you nearly everything about the technical stuff, and less of the rest.
well thats in my experience anyway.
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