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I supported Toymods
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Instument cluster conversion
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Tue, 01 October 2002 07:01
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Ok, today tried putting a instrument cluster from Oz_Craig's 4afc carby into my 4afe efi.
The dashes are pretty much the same, except my one doesnt have a tacho, and when we tried putting craig's in, that does have a tacho it didnt work.
Anyone know why it is doing this? is it because they are both wired differently?? or because one in carby, one efi??
is it then possible to easily change the wiring so that it will work?
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Adelaide
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May 2002
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Tue, 01 October 2002 07:55
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Didnt work how exactly?
I know there is no difference in the AE82 dashes. Tacho or nontacho, the actual wireing harness is the same (right down to having the plug and wired for the rear wiper in the sedan wireing harness!!)
I'd suspect somthing similar in the AE92 range, but dont quote me on this.
More info would be good...
Craig.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Tue, 01 October 2002 09:50
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Yer, man that is what we thought would be the case too....that they'd be the same. just "plug and play" so to speak.
but it turns out it wasnt to be. what i mean by didnt work was that no dials worked. i think i remember the warning lights working ok, but definately not the tacho, and the fuel and temp guages didnt work.
We think it might have something to do with the ecu wiring, and because mine is efi, and craig's is carby.
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Caloundra, Qld
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September 2002
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Tue, 01 October 2002 10:11
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Yeah there is a difference but they will work. You need to swap some wires in the plugs.
Its not too hard if you sit both clusters beside each other and draw yourself a bit of a diagram. Make sure you know where each wire came from before you change things though!
Somewhere, I have a rough conversion diagram between the CS, the Csi and the SX dashes. If I can be bothered typing it up, I will post it here.
chaoren
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Tue, 01 October 2002 10:16
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Yer man,if you can be bothered to type it up that sounds like it will be of great help. thanks.
Does it pretty much show what wires we will have to change, or??
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I supported Toymods
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south of the big smoke
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May 2002
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Tue, 01 October 2002 10:17
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man if you could post it up we would be greatful
you know you want to
cheers mate
Craig
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Tue, 01 October 2002 10:19
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u could also submit it as a tech article, toymods would be very greatful, just email it to nark or sam..
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Perth
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July 2002
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Tue, 01 October 2002 14:17
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It would be greatly appreciated if you could type up those wiring diagrams 
Looks like there is a few of us that could do with your help...
Thanks,
Liam.
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I supported Toymods
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south of the big smoke
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Wed, 02 October 2002 11:41
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ok mine is complete (sx into a cs carby) im gunna type up a tutorial
if anyone needs a hand let me know, be careful but that diagram can be mis leading!
if anyone wants a copy of the tutorial let me know
craig
steve we will finish your 2moro night
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melbourne
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June 2002
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Wed, 02 October 2002 12:13
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meeee please!
would be really helpful.
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Adelaide
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July 2002
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Wed, 02 October 2002 17:24
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Yep i wouldn't mind a copy to please!
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I supported Toymods
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I supported Toymods
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May 2002
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Fri, 04 October 2002 09:34
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After craig connected up the last few wires the sarv, my dash conversion is now complete also!
So now my after pic looks similar to craig's before pic.
To the guys that are doing a similar conversion, as you might already realise, it is not a hard job to do at all. A fair bit of re-connecting wires, but that is not hard at all.
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Fri, 04 October 2002 11:54
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did you guys keep your odometers the same? 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Fri, 04 October 2002 11:59
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Yer man, just coz it was the easiest thing to do at the time. just kept the ones that were in that certain dash in there.
coz i'm a bit of a fuss pot, i wrote down the k's on mine when i took it out, and the k's craig had when i put his in.... i works out good, all i do is take off 18,000k's.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Fri, 04 October 2002 12:15
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yeah now i have 300,000 km on mine lol!!!
yeap all is good both working perfectly
ill try get the thingy typed up this week
i might wind the speedo back to match, nar stuff it to much effort
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Club Member
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Sydney, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Fri, 04 October 2002 12:36
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Are you serious Craig??? 300,000km???
Where did u get the little plastic bit that goes under the deck in the SX dash layout??? Mine has the checker plate there which is going but I need the little plastic compartment there...
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Fri, 04 October 2002 12:43
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its outta a 1998 corolla if my memory serves me right got it a while ago but
you will have to make a few brackets but
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Adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 03:47
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ok.. now I seem to be in the same situation. Going from a non tacho cluster to a tacho cluster. I've rewired it to the CSX pinouts I found on the net but it doesn't seem to work.
All that seems to work is the high beam light. Also the temp gauge goes straight to hot. I'm guessing I might have mixed some wires that were the same colour...
So how do I test bad earths??
How do I use my multimeter to find out the function of the wire? and where it goes??
Your help is much appreciated.
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sydney
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March 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 04:33
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is the engine a 4agze
they need a booster to get the tacho to work
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Adelaide
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 04:51
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Nope its a 4a-fe...
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sydney
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March 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 05:10
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ok on back of tahco wil be a small screw with ig- on it
run a wire from it to the negative coil
that should be the rpm signal
if it still doesnt work then the power to tacho or earth is not there
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Adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 05:20
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I'm actually trying to wire up an instrument cluster which includes speedo, tacho, coolant temp, fuel gauge etc etc not a standalone tacho. But at this point I'm so stumped I kinda wish I had bought a standalone tacho instead...
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sydney
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March 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 06:38
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ok
well tacho is black wire
temp is yellow with green strip
oil is yelow with black strip or it could be grey wire
charge/alt light is yelow wire
there the one is know of my head
the otheres just trace where they go for ech dash
they cant be too different
do drawing of them makes it ewasier
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Adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 08:52
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ok
the otheres just trace where they go for ech dash
they cant be too different
do drawing of them makes it ewasier
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hm... how does one do that?
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Location:
Menai area of Sydney
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June 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 13:25
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I have a wiring conversion diagram for AE92 clusters that I have drawn up from info posted previously by members here and in Twincam.org. It differs a little from the workshop manuals I have but has the connections have been used successfully. I will be doing this conversion over Christmas and will post the results. E-mail me if you want a copy or someone can host it for me. I have done a Tacho dash conversion in a 4AFC and everything worked straight up including the Tacho. I had a separate issue with my water temperature going hot which proved to be an earthing problem with an earthwire from the wiring loom behind the carby to the inlet manifold.
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Adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 13:46
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hm... I've seem to have been able to trace quite a bit of it to my new cluster. Apparently the cluster I bought is wired completely differently to the csx cluster although similiar in features.
I can't seem to get the cluster to illuminate when I turn the headlights on. Can anyone help me with that? I've tested the wires that I thought powered the illumination with a test light but it wouldn't turn on. (Green and White and Green wire)
Another thing my new cluster seems to have a weird light i've never seen before. It's like a pipe with a big middle section and the middle section has squiggly lines above it. Its definately not a rear demister light as it has one as well and looks different.
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sydney
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March 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 16:36
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sorry typing too fast
well its pretty basic
trace the ign power
ans the neg to the dash
usually its writen on th eback of dash
honestly if u dont understand this give the job to a pro
both dashes are from similar cars so it should be easy
do a drawing of the orig dash
race wires where they go
its not that hard
if u dont understand it then dont do it
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Adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sat, 20 December 2003 23:07
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Well I've been able to get most of it working now (amazing what a person can learn in a weekend)  . Pretty much all except for the illumination when you turn the headlights on.
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Brisbane
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August 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sun, 21 December 2003 00:54
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That weird light you're talking about is for the catalytic convertor temp sensor. It tells you when you're cat is overheating or something. As far as I know its pretty useless. The dash cluster from my ae92 levin halfcut has one.
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Adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sun, 21 December 2003 01:03
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Catalytic converter temp sensor? Did you connect it up? What does it mean when a catalytic converter is too hot? There's too much harmful substances in your exhaust? a/f ratios aren't right? Lead in your exhaust? Does the standard oz ae92 have connections in its cluster loom for it? I wouldn't mind having it.
Update: My cluster now lights up when I turn on the headlights. Turns out my taillight fuse was out.
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Brisbane
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August 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sun, 21 December 2003 01:57
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I haven't wired the car up yet. Since I'm not using the levin dash cluster, I won't be wiring up that light. I don't think any of the oz clusters have them but I could be wrong. To use it you'd need a temp sensor just after your cat. It's probably too much of a hassle to get working if you don't already have the temp sensor and connections.
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sydney
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March 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sun, 21 December 2003 02:00
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the ilumination comes from the dimmer
turn yr lights on and plug in the dimmer
if the dimmer is not plugged it u wont get power up to the wire that powers the lights in the dash
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Adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sun, 21 December 2003 05:22
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SUCCESS! It's all wired up. 
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Darwin, NT
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May 2004
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Mon, 31 May 2004 04:29
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has anyone made a diagram from a cs to csx dash yet?
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Darwin, NT
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May 2004
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Tue, 01 June 2004 03:05
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plz... someone, can they send me a diagram. dash is out at the moment so yea, could do with one right about now.
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Darwin, NT
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May 2004
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Tue, 01 June 2004 04:50
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never mind, its all good turns out i didnt need to change any of the wires at all. i was amazed when i plugged it in and it worked!! *shrug*
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Sydney (Campbelltown...!)
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December 2003
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Re: Instument cluster conversion
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Sun, 06 June 2004 11:29
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changed the cluster in a friends rolla today
hes got a ae92 csi..? 4afe with a tacholess cluster
i fitted a ae92 seca 4afe cluster with tacho
took a while
what i did was write down where all 3 sets of wires went then did the same with the new one and just changed the wires in each connector to suit
still have info if anyone is interested...
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