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Thu, 08 January 2004 02:32
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Just came aross this on the net..........
Start saving thoses five cents pieces.......
There is some spec's on it flying around the net........
Price going around will be $20,000- $30,000 US or AUD unknow at this time.......
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Thu, 08 January 2004 02:40
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That is just concept art. Been around for a few years now. Nothing certain.
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Thu, 08 January 2004 02:53
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You trying to steal my thunder TA22? 
i put that pic up in the thread "What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?" last week. 
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Thu, 08 January 2004 03:05
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Actually I think I was the first. I put a thread up about it in like October or November last year. That is how I found out that it was nothing confirmed yet......
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Thu, 08 January 2004 03:15
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yer
it looks pretty good imho... not as super sexy as the mkIV, but a bit crankier.
of course, word is it's gonna be a n/a V6 in direct competition with the 350Z.
ooohhhh, 350Z.. big competition :\
what's wrong with a nice 3.5L 3JZ TT inline 6? 
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Thu, 08 January 2004 03:17
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if toyota do that shit the mkiv will be the last supra in my eyes
Allan
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Thu, 08 January 2004 03:34
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that looks good except for those headlights. what the?
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Thu, 08 January 2004 03:42
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Bloody hell, I can't believe this keeps popping up! Don't worry, that pic is an amateur photoshop job based on a MkIV, and it's been floating around the net for at least 3 or 4 years. If Toyota do release a new Supra it won't look anything like that at all!
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Thu, 08 January 2004 03:49
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| Allan wrote on Thu, 08 January 2004 14:17 |
if toyota do that shit the mkiv will be the last supra in my eyes
Allan
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I agree
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Thu, 08 January 2004 11:48
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I want to see a 3UZ-GTE 4.3L V8 Twin Turbo 
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Thu, 08 January 2004 12:20
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| Soarer wrote on Thu, 08 January 2004 19:48 |
I want to see a 3UZ-GTE 4.3L V8 Twin Turbo
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Gimme gimme Shit, I'd be happy with a 3UZGE!
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Thu, 08 January 2004 13:21
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| Allan wrote on Thu, 08 January 2004 14:17 |
if toyota do that shit the mkiv will be the last supra in my eyes
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Feel the same way mate.
A bit like the new Skyline or 350Z.
They should put a 4.0ltr V8 in it, with a supercharged version or something.
Oh, and it better not look like piss like the front end of this concept sketch.
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Thu, 08 January 2004 13:51
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I quite like the front of this Supra, they are trying to create a modern interpretation of the original Toyota sports coupe, the 2000GT, and I think its pretty cool that they are trying to link previous generations of the Toyota sports coupe into one seriously sweet looking old-school, full-on GT coupe.
Notice the similarities?
Dan 'O'
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Thu, 08 January 2004 14:00
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I don't mind it, I get the 2000GT link, but the front doesn't match the sides.
Besides, unlike Ford, Toyota doesn't need to rely on nostalgia to make a good car
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Thu, 08 January 2004 14:10
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Is it just me, or are heaps of manufacturers trying to resort back to NA muscle..
the nissan Z,
the RX8.
and maybe the supra???
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Thu, 08 January 2004 14:26
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That doesnt appeal to me slightly...
They're turning it too ricey for my likings. Big shaped guards, vents and flared crap everywhere.
Stick with an ma61, or ma70 - or a jza80 WITOUT all the wings and shit people do to them
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Thu, 08 January 2004 14:26
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Those old Supra's look great. The point at the front is nice. But in the concept drawing the front isn't pointy. The thing I think looks shit is the lights on the nose.
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Thu, 08 January 2004 15:03
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Word, Intensevil!
They should muck around with a formula that has worked from day one, the straight six formula is just as recognisable with the supra as the unmistakable silhouette of the supra itself... i am sure that fans would be pretty dissapointed if they dropped the i-6 for a v-6, i sure would be 
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Thu, 08 January 2004 15:05
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if they're going a v engine...it should be an 8. not biased or anything.
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Thu, 08 January 2004 15:05
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| Intensevil wrote on Thu, 08 January 2004 22:31 |
They shouldn't drop the straight 6 for a v6, the straight six has been in the supra line up from the start. It just wouldn't be a supra without the awesome BWOAAAAAAAA noise we've allcome to love. I'm pretty sure toyota can make a straight turboed six that makes emissions and produces over 350hp.
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Being able to make an engine like that is a non-issue. The 2JZ could do that as is. Its from a packaging standpoint that the inline six loses out, the V6 is heaps smaller.
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Thu, 08 January 2004 15:06
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Thu, 08 January 2004 23:05 |
if they're going a v engine...it should be an 8. not biased or anything.
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Amen brother
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Thu, 08 January 2004 15:07
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it makes sense above any other replacement engine!
A crown has a v8 for christs sake!!
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Thu, 08 January 2004 15:11
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i second that amen, and throw in a few hail marys and hallelujahs to boot 
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Thu, 08 January 2004 15:52
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Who cares if a V6 is smaller? The new supra should come in 3 engine configs:
1) Inline 6
2) Inline 6 Twin Turbo
3) V8
I'll take the Turbo.
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Thu, 08 January 2004 15:57
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| Shraka wrote on Thu, 08 January 2004 23:52 |
Who cares if a V6 is smaller? The new supra should come in 3 engine configs:
1) Inline 6
2) Inline 6 Twin Turbo
3) V8
I'll take the Turbo.
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Toyota, as much as we diehards piss and moan about the lack of the six, the fact is they'll reach a wider audience who will appreciate the savings in interior space or the fact the engine can be mounted further back in the chassis.
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Fri, 09 January 2004 10:16
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Fri, 09 January 2004 02:07 |
it makes sense above any other replacement engine!
A crown has a v8 for christs sake!!
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But that's 'cause a Crown is superior to all.
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Fri, 09 January 2004 12:29
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| clubagreenie wrote on Fri, 09 January 2004 21:16 |
| V8_MA61 wrote on Fri, 09 January 2004 02:07 |
it makes sense above any other replacement engine!
A crown has a v8 for christs sake!!
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But that's 'cause a Crown is superior to all.
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Got it in one Justin.
Lets not forget that as well as a V8 they also have four wheel drive for the Majesta.
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Fri, 09 January 2004 13:42
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the v8 in a crown was built for cruising, why not have a fully blown and hi-compression, hi performance 5L putting out culpious hp?!!
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Fri, 09 January 2004 21:38
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Because your idea of a V8 has pushrods. 
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Fri, 09 January 2004 23:08
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think about it this way, if toyota havent been using the V configiration, they would have had a good reason not to. If they can get equal to more power with less emissions using a smaller footprint engine, then good luck to them!
Theyre not just going to swap for the sake of it.
i thought i posted it before, but as far as im concerned, toyota has already scrapped the JZ series:
if the new supra isnt using a 3GR-GTE, it will be using a totally new v8.
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Sat, 10 January 2004 04:00
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| Norbie wrote on Thu, 08 January 2004 14:42 |
Bloody hell, I can't believe this keeps popping up! Don't worry, that pic is an amateur photoshop job based on a MkIV, and it's been floating around the net for at least 3 or 4 years. If Toyota do release a new Supra it won't look anything like that at all!
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it actually looks like a fairly skilled render....
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Sat, 10 January 2004 08:10
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love the rear end.. hate front end... could make it better fairly simply though
but thats been around for years
if they bring out a 350z beater and not a gtr beater... im gonna buy an evo
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Sat, 10 January 2004 15:47
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bah, imho they should stick with something with natural balance, be it straight six, 90deg V8, 60deg V12 hmmmm
now there's an idea 
twin turbo 4L V12 should get a few rpm outta that.
Cya, Stewart
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Sat, 10 January 2004 23:06
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Or they could just put in the 1GZ-FE (in GE config)... 5.0L V12 from the Toyota Century
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Sat, 10 January 2004 23:15
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what they COULD do... is make it out of shit materials... put a 90 kw 4 cyl engine in it.. give it crystal tail light, a fully sick bodykit, chromies and a BIG gt wing... sell it for 20 000 and they would make shit loads
or maybe thats just in australia?
i'd be happy with the v12
but also make it 4wd
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Sun, 11 January 2004 01:10
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4L 12cy???
A little too small on the displacement size!
5.0L or a similar design to the jaguar 5.3L would be better!
Seriously doubt you'd need turbos though!
NO 4wd, thats what gt4's are for. RWD like all the others
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Sun, 11 January 2004 02:52
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1GZ-GTE? 
They would have some trouble getting the balance right with that though wouldn't they? Perhaps they should forgo the back seats and push the cab back further. Or give it a rear mounted gearbox to try and even the weight out a bit.
To me though, the Supra has always been something to beat V8s in extreme style. It has less cylinders, is about the same weight if not heavier than an 8, has less displacement and still fries them. I think they should stick with the inline 6. But then, I'm not an engineer.
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Sun, 11 January 2004 03:37
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But based on how they screwed up with the matrix, (and it's not even out yet), I'd think it would be safe to say that if they ever made a mk5, the mk4 would be the pinnacle of supra perfection. Because they'd screw something up that should be so obvious like having a 6 speed box only on the non-turbo version or something else stupid like that.
BTW, I absolutly LOATH that rear end in that picture. I really really really HATE clear lenses. Factory ones even moreso. I'd be the guy looking for an oem solid colour lens to replace that hunk of junk.
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Sun, 11 January 2004 04:28
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I like clear lenses.
But other than that, I agree with you. The designers would do something really stupid and make the Supra suck.
To appeal to the "wanker" factor (the people who buy these cars) they should probably go with something that has a little more room in the back, but not give them too many options...
Toyota Mark 5 Supra
Engine:
Name: 3JZ-GE VVT-i
Induction: Cold Air charge, Natural Aspiration
Power: 200kw
Torque: 350nm
Displacement: 3.3 liters
Gearbox
Manual 6 speed, Automatic clutch, Sequential shift
Automatic 5 speed, Similar design to Manual box, making it easy to swap the manual box in later on if desired.
Interior
Cloth seats, optional Leather interior
Exterior and weights
Curb weight: 1400kg
Sunroof optional
Distribution: 50/50
Toyota Mark 5 Supra Turbo
Engine:
Name: 3JZ-GTE VVT-i
Induction: Intercooled Twin Turbo, cold air
Power: 260kw (capped to 209 in Japan)
Torque: 460nm
Displacement: 3.3 liters
Gearbox
Manual 6 speed, Automatic clutch, Sequential shift
Interior
Leather interior
Exterior and weights
Curb weight: 1500kg
Sunroof optional
Distribution: 52/48
Toyota Mark 5 Supra Sportivo
Engine:
Name: 3JZ-GTE VVT-i
Induction: Intercooled Twin Turbo, cold air
Power: 280kw (capped to 209 in Japan)
Torque: 490nm
Displacement: 3.3 liters
Gearbox
Manual 6 speed, Automatic clutch, Sequential shift
Interior
Suede interior, racing bucket seats (recaro)
Exterior and weights
Curb weight: 1400kg (many lightweight parts used)
Bodykit: Spoiler, skirts, front bar
Sunroof optional, targa top optional
Distribution: 50/50
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Sun, 11 January 2004 06:58
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like i said, they wont be using a JZ as nearly all jap manufactures are moving away from flat/inline sixes for the bent variety. The new engine will be so much better you wont even worry about it. live with it
Look at the difference to the previous flagship engine, the 7M-GTE to the 2JZ-GTE. I would be too worried.
oh and btw.. the "gentlemens" agreement isnt around in japan since nissan released the NUR R34. There hasnt been any other new jap supercars since that was released, so thats why it hasnt been that noticeable.
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Sun, 11 January 2004 13:23
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I much prefer inline engines to V config... I dunno why.
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Sun, 11 January 2004 13:33
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because of the word inline?
dude, you could have at least lied and made up some reason 
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Sun, 11 January 2004 13:45
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ummm... could be.
V6 kinda reminds me to much of Commodore engines. Other than that... I dunno. I just have a better feeling about inline 6 engines.
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Sun, 11 January 2004 15:12
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It could be a Commodore connection, but you're probably just attached to the heritage and the smoothness...
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Sun, 11 January 2004 15:38
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Mmmm... creamy smooth inline 6.
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Sun, 11 January 2004 23:31
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Inline sixes are naturally better balanced than V6's. The V6 only exists because of packaging efficiency. Most of the best performance sixes in the world have been an inline configuration: think 1JZ/2JZ, RB26, BMW M3, even Jags back in the day. The only outstanding V6 I can think of is the Honda NSX engine.
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Sun, 11 January 2004 23:36
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Then again, isn't a 90 degree V8 naturally balanced as well?
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