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3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Mon, 24 June 2002 13:55
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I'm really keen to change the lethargic 3S-FE in my Sv21 Camry and drop a 3S-GE in. Would a front cut be sufficient for parts? Seeing as these engine are almost the same, is it still necessary for an engineers cert??
Thanks for your help 
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Melbourne
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June 2002
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Mon, 24 June 2002 14:14
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I see no reason why it wouldn't be enough.
I'm no toyota expert but from my limited knowledge the main difference between an FE and GE is one is twin cam.
If the engine will bolt in the rest of the front cut should be more than enough to cope, even if the GE is a later engine.
You will have the computer and any other random crap that is associated.
A front cut is pretty much enough for putting an engine in any car. Even in some wacky car - as long as you can work out how to bolt the engine and driveline in - the rest is a walk in the park!
If you are in Vic, as long as you don't have to modify the engine mounts it should be ok. They say that you can replace the engine with one 'of similar capacity and power'. Seeing this is just a variant of the same engine there should be no worries.
As I said, rotary's are my thing but i know a little about toyota's so don't completely trust my advice! Although my best friend (dorikin) has a TA22 with a 4AGE and also drives a 3SFE Camry... and has a sister who drives a 3SGE celica SX... We have often toyed with the idea of dropping a 3SGTE in the camry!  Fun!!!
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Tue, 25 June 2002 08:02
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Most accessible option is to get an MR2 rear cut. You might be lucky enough to find ST183 or ST202 front cuts, but I doubt it.
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Tue, 25 June 2002 08:45
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another good point... a SW20 rear cut is much easier to get your hands on ex-japan, and will have the engine(same 3SGE), stronger gearbox (???) and everything else...
failing this, try to find a smashed up celica here in Australia that is cheap. if you can avoid it, the ST162/5 have the 1st gen 3SGE engine and are not as good as the later ones. an ST185/205 would be the go!!!
or, maybe even a import camry from japan, as i think these were available with the 3SGE (in the SV21 model) however i'm not so sure how available these are, unless they were private imports.
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Tue, 25 June 2002 09:42
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OK, i know that now,
What confused me was that the ST celica's like Dana's had a 3SFE 'from a Camry' didnt they? I just sort of looked over the fact that it wasn't the same model camry! And come to think of it dana's is a twin cam - my bad! As i said - don't trust my advice on toyota specific things!
You did say that they could drop straight in though didn't you?
Oh, dude, see the time i posted? I think i had just finished beer 6 by that stage! It may have blurred my memory!
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Tue, 25 June 2002 09:52
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yes, if dana's ST162/5 was an ST model then it did have the 3SFE engine. this is the same engine as the SV21 camry engine, not to be confused with the later model 5SFE engine (2.2L). and yes, if dana wanted more bauer, she could arrange the s#GE engine to be put in her car without too much trouble.
and also, just to correct, the ST185/205 actually use the 5SFE engine and would not be of any use to you in your quest for a 3SGE engine. so if you were after a 3SGE and from a later car than the ST162/5 then you'd only find it in the MR2 (australian delivered). sorry about the oversight.
so an MR2 rear cut would be your best option.
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Melbourne
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June 2002
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Tue, 25 June 2002 10:13
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Yes, dana's is a 162/5 ST. I know that for sure.
Could we put a GTE in it? Pleeeeeeese!
BTW Dude, your website sucks - really, get it sorted before too many people see it. Poorly laid out and with crap cars - except for that mnt Mazda there...
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Wed, 26 June 2002 05:55
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the ST162 has a 1st Gen 3S-FE. The ST165 is a 4WD 3S-GTE. I think the ST163 had a 3S-GE.
The ST183 had a 3S-GE, ST185 a 3S-GTE and also had a 7A-FE option in the USA.
The ST202 had a 3S-GE, ST205 a 3S-GTE.
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Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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May 2002
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Wed, 26 June 2002 06:10
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Isn't the 3sge just a 2.0l widecam?
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Perth
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August 2002
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Sun, 04 August 2002 15:14
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The 3SGE has the same block as its counterpart the FE. Thats what the "S" means. The "G" means that it has a wider head as opposed to the "F" which is a skinny but more economical head. Crank and pistons are different as well. As far as I know the engine mounts are identical but my friend was researching a swap and was told by a young mechanic at a toyota Shop that there is about 10 cm difference when you try and lay it in. Im not to sure about that but the block being the same makes me dought it.
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Canada
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August 2002
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Sun, 04 August 2002 15:59
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The manifold does sit a bit closer to the firewall with a 3sge.
Whether it would be an issue on a Camry motor swap, I dont know.
The experience I have relates to a 3sge vs 3sfe in a Corolla.
I would think that a front cut would make it easy as long as you dont mind fiddling with the wiring.
As mentioned the MR2 trans has the shifter on the wrong side.
What side is your starter on?
Engine or transmission?
Depending on what version 3sg you use this may be a problem.(starter may not fit under the exhaust manifold)
BTW
All Toyotas:
XX ##5 5 denotes 4wd eg AE 95 or ST 165
XX ### where the last digit is not a five = not 4wd eg AE 91 or ST 162
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Malaysia
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Fri, 09 August 2002 10:23
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Guys,
Hello there, I'm from Malaysia & new here. I'm using the 3S-GE from the Celica ST183 in my ST150 Corona.
The 3S-FE & 3S-GE head in interchangable,as far as I know or at least that's what I was told by the mechanics. On the other hand, I was told that the pistons are slightly different in spec. However the clutch cover & plates are the same withe the FE version, the bearing's not.
Regards. 
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Perth
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August 2002
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Fri, 09 August 2002 13:44
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As I mentioned before the FE and GE head is different and to a limited degree they are interchangable. The Ge has flatops in it so it runs at higher compresson and the crank is diffferent as well. If you put a ge head on with top of a fe block it may work but would probably run like crap. Youd need the matching pistons and crank
The Bell houseing area is identical and a mr2 gerarbox will do the job nicly. Take note though if you want to reduce torque steer it might be an idea to get a lsd mr2 gearbox but if you do take it easy around corners until you get used to the thing.
Just a point to note the ge Head has two cam shaft pully wheels run by the timing belt the fe has one pulley wheel and then under the cover theres a gear that drives the second cam shaft.
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August 2002
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Re: 3S-FE to 3S-GE Conversion
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Sat, 10 August 2002 12:42
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Guys,
I was thinking of swapping a 5S block to my 3S-GE to get a little more torque. Anyone knows how to go about it or done this before ? What are the things that I need to swap over, i.e. the pistons & con rods of course but what about the crankshaft ? It's still very much at a drawing board stage, I don't even know if it works, so I'd appreciate some advise from you experts. 
Thanks & Regards.
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