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AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:53
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do you guys know anyone/any shop/yourself who does AE86 conversion? If I found a 4AGE 20 value silver top with ecu, loom and sensors.. what else would I need to put it in an aus sprinter? and about how much do you charge to do the conversion for me?
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melbourne
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September 2003
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:59
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ask bmt/idb/toyospares.
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melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Mon, 19 January 2004 06:10
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whats bmd and idb?
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Mon, 19 January 2004 06:57
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Have you done your research?
What's the point of retaining the factory ECU unless you're gonna either cut or knock a hole in your firewall (big no no in terms of getting your engine mod legally approved)?
The 20 Valve is a complex conversion due to both plumbing and in the case of upgrading with the usual aftermarket computer + coil packs from a 4AGZE, then finding someone who knows how to tune one ...
If you pay a shop to do it, they will charge big $$$ - it may be easier just to go for either a Blue or Red top conversion.
If you still want to go the 20 Valve way, then you may want to read this article although it's from the US:
http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pages/ae86 _project%2020V.htm
Lastly, if you don't have a clue of what's involved, you are falling prey to many a workshop which will bum rape you for your money cause they know they can overcharge for it and you'll pay for it not being the wiser ...
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Brisbane
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Melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Mon, 19 January 2004 07:01
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What about puttin a 100kw or a 86kw as most ppl have mentioned and spend a bit on it to get it going harder..
Or just go 4agze...
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Mon, 19 January 2004 07:13
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In terms of straight line performace, the 4AGZE's the way to go however you can do it the cheap way like many do (just bolt it in) or do it properly (stronger driveline - W55 gearbox, hilux or R200 diff & good brakes). You'll still have to source a RWD manifold as well.
Guess I went the Bluetop way for ease of installation, got used to the power and now have rebuilt another 4AG going in next week - car's been out but at least I got the bay painted yesterday. 
Not gonna say anything about expected performance but it certainly won't be stock ... 
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Sutherland Shire
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April 2003
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Mon, 19 January 2004 07:26
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20 valve is a bit of a pain. If i could do it again i would probably stick with an 86kw and mod that. I think it'd be a lot easier that way.
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Melbourne, VIC
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January 2004
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Mon, 19 January 2004 08:39
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How is the potential for the 86kw one for mod? I really need at least 110-120kw atw on this car... any suggestion on mods?
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Eskilstuna, Sweden
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May 2002
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Mon, 19 January 2004 09:40
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Most ppl would point you to Bill Sherwood's site if you wanted to know what can be done to a 4AGE ...
Power doesn't come cheap and if you want that much power at the wheels, a S13 Silvia with turbo would be the better way to go - cheaper and easier to attain power gains.
Still, the 4AGZE would be the way to go if you keep the AE86 and want a lot of power. Some say an AE86 in stock form may not take the power of a 4AGZE unless the drive train + gearbox + brakes are upgraded to match. This is assuming you are brutal in driving the car.
Best way is to actually approach ppl on the forums who have already done this - just look in the members forum section and send them an email.
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Melbourne, VIC
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January 2004
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Mon, 19 January 2004 09:53
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The reason why i want a 4AGE is that I want to put it on track... no low torqe is really nothing to me... the problem with the ZE is overheating... so a 4AGE would be better in some way... and the 20 value looks like can be easier to mod up... if I can find a used aftermarket ecu... might be able to solve that out... but... haha... looks like even harder to find a black top...
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sydney
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March 2004
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Tue, 09 March 2004 13:19
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this conversion can be done quite well if planned out properly, i'm using a 20v black top and it looks factory. mind you i have access to all the proper equipment. My fire wall has no holes in it, i'm using a wilwood reverse mount pedal box which brings my clutch and brake master cylinders into the car (under dash), custom thermostat housing (no need for ugly pipes running around motor), i'm running four coils. custom 1 5/8" extractors HPC'd and a TRD carbon fibre air box it looks really awsome and will look even better aftre the car is repainted
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Tue, 09 March 2004 13:31
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you would have to spend a SHITLOAD of money to get 110kW at the wheels from any 4A-GE (16v or 20v), hence why dodgy haro pointed you towards a 4A-GZE.
Most stockish 4A-GE's produce aroun 50-60kW at the rears (in sprinters and old celicas), hence you are aimng for a 100% power increase from NA mods only - FAT FUCKING CHANCE.
Do some reading on Bill Sherwood;s website and see what he has to say, then rethink what you want to acheive, and how you think you can viably go about that.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Tue, 09 March 2004 13:48
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hmmm, 110kw at the wheels.... since 86kw 4AG get 55kw, thats about172kw at flywheel
150Nm = 172kw at 10,800rpm.
optimistically getting 160Nm means 10,100rpm.
sure it can be done, but thats a lot of revs, and some lightweight pistons and rods!!!
mmm low pressure turbo sayy, 1 bar boost will get you 110kw much easier
Cya, Stewart
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March 2004
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Re: AE86 4AGE 20 value silver top conversion
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Tue, 09 March 2004 23:34
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i have to agree you get alot more out of 4agze
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