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my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 07:57
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hi all, i recently dropped a ae101 gze into my ae82 twinky and its just no where near what i would hope it would go like. its goes fair enough but its well boring. i hoped that after all the crap to get it in it would fuken hammer. any suggestions. should i wack that larger pulley on or do you think a simple tune would do.
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I supported Toymods
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November 2003
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 07:59
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Was it an import motor?
How many km's you done since u put it in?
What zorst u running
What ECU u runnnig etc etc etc
Details Please
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 07:59
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how much power do you want?
have you had it on a dyno yet?
if you want it to REALLY hammer, go a turbo
if you want a cheaper option, the larger pulley (sc14?) with a fmic, cai, and a tune would do wonders
it all depends on how much money you want to spend 
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sydney
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December 2003
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 08:03
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ive done 1000kms on it. it runs a stock standard setup all over top mount, factory ecu and the like. yes its also a jap import motor
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sydney
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December 2003
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 08:05
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Was it an import motor?
yep full half-cut
How many km's you done since u put it in?
1000km
What zorst u running
2.25 factory headers high-flow cat
What ECU u runnnig etc etc etc
standard comp
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Toymods Vice President
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May 2002
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 08:06
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I think you'll find this is a fairly common situation. Most people I know who have GZE's weren't happy with them for long at all. They just aren't an exciting performance engine.
A lot of the reason for this is that the engine was originally designed for the AW11 MR2 where they wanted very linear response so as not to unsettle the mid engine chassis when accelerating through corners. The basic engine is really and awesome thing however the bolt ons are boring as hell. The answer is definately turbo power if you want the car to be seriously powerful.
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 08:08
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Hmm, 1000kms should be enough to clean out the cobwebs
But yeah, as suggested by ppl, go turbo
Personally, I'd do these steps
Bigger Crank pulley if you can find one cheapish
Exhaust if you havent already (2.5")
Aftermarket ECU
Turbo + FMIC
Then, ye shall be happy
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 08:08
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and poor
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Perth
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September 2002
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 08:16
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Just go bigger pulley, fmic, fuel pump etc
Trust me i know of many quick gze's, turbo is not the only solution. You cant expect a stock 1.6L to be lightning quick just because its forced (and only running 7psi or something?)
Think about it.
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 08:54
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true indeed. i would skip all the bigger pulley, front mount, etc and just start getting the parts for the turbo conversion. the s/c on gze's arent anything spectacular.
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Location:
whyalla SA
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January 2004
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 09:14
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wsnt there a thread b4 about this very topic..
but it was concering the 1g gze and the 1g gte
and nearly every one said that the gze would be much better as the max hp was at a lower rpm..
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Bundaberg, Qld.
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May 2002
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 09:31
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 i was more than happy with my 4agze swap when i did it in '99, after driving 4age for 4 years.
it only had the 160mm (10psi max) crank pulley on it, 2.5" exhaust and the rest all standard, and i thought it kicked arse..
even though i love the  now. i wont knock a gze..
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Location:
Compton.Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 10:45
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Shouldnt he put a slip diff or something so the power is equaled on both wheels. Not sure on this but yeh a friend told me...cos was thinkin about this kind of conversion
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Location:
sydney
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March 2003
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 12:17
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if u want to go fast buy a new car with heaps more potential
say something like a 2jz
or a rb26tt
something thats easy to get more horses out off
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sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Tue, 20 January 2004 23:45
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A 4A-GZE should pull harder than you are experiencing now. Are you sure it is running OK ? No error codes ? Is it boosting ?Get it on a dyno and see what it pulls. I suspect some sort of problem, like a vacuum leak or whatever.
Don't go buying turbo bits yet, it might just be a $5 hose.
Mitch.
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Location:
NSW
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September 2003
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Wed, 21 January 2004 00:17
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Are there any noises from your SC or Engine.... maybe you are getting belt-slip or the SC vanes are melted?
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Location:
sydney
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June 2003
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Wed, 21 January 2004 01:24
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i had a ae92 come in to my work with similar symptoms, it turned out the the s/c clutch wasn't engaging. i fixed the wiring and off it went. check that first cause gze's dont go that bad standard, the only other way to really know is to put it on the dyno. if its producing the right power that it should then maybe start looking for a turbo.
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April 2003
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Wed, 21 January 2004 02:11
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One question ..... How much extra weight you carrying in the car ie sub box,amps,leather interior, big chromies etc?
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Location:
Malaysia
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January 2004
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Wed, 21 January 2004 15:17
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If you want better response and power. Put a smaller SC pulley in. You can take a look at my website http://www.speedchaser.net on the pulley.
The smaller SC pulley is lighter and it will not turn the water pump any faster than stock which a bigger crank pulley would. This in turn will give you better response than a bigger crank pulley. The smaller SC pulley will give you more psi but the stock IC will heatsoak like hell. A front mount will be required to turn the temps down because the SC12 is notorious for building up heat at higher boost. It'll give you about 185+hp depending on your fuel setup. If you have a heavy foot, your clutch will be the first thing to toast.
If you want more, turbo the GZE. If it's a MAP GZE AE101, the stock ECU will run the TD05 turbo happily up to 18psi with 450cc injectors (Mitsubishi VR4). That will give you about 240+hp to the wheels. Need to fool the MAP to get away with that boost. I'm running a Pierburg 6 Bar pump and a fuel regulator to bring down the pressure on idle.
The GZE stock internals are very strong and many of the GZEs that blow up was due to the con-rod bearings giving up. Change the stock bearings to some strong aftermarket ones and it will stand 26psi with ease with a matching turbo, provided adequate fuel management and good intake temp cooling is in place.
We have practical means to test the GZE engines till it blows because engines are pretty cheap over here in my country and it's not a worry. So we have first hand knowledge of how far and at what boost the AE101 GZE could stand.
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Location:
tallahassee FL usOFa
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May 2002
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Wed, 21 January 2004 17:10
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compression check!! vacuum AND pressure leak checks, then advance ign. timing till it pings.
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Location:
Bundaberg, Qld.
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May 2002
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Re: my GZE not as good as anticipated
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Wed, 21 January 2004 21:26
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| allencr wrote on Thu, 22 January 2004 03:10 |
then advance ign. timing till it pings.
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farkk mate, that's prity rough.. 
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