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Wed, 17 December 2003 21:21
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Ed,
I presume that you want pics of the discs that I got ?
The Scubie discs are coming soon, and the Merc ones I picked up last night, and they were cheaper  $75.64 each. They are made by Ate which is the equivalent to PBR/DBA and they were made in Germany.
I am going to try and get a digi cam over Xmas so that I can snap some pics, but first paving has to be finished and my 16 month old daughter also mneeds some attention !!!! As does the wife
Mind you Ed, where are your pics ??????
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Wed, 17 December 2003 21:38
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My price query was for ATE and now that I think about it ATE might be OEM supplier for MB, Saab, Volvo, etc. Not sure thou.
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Thu, 18 December 2003 21:14
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Thwe thing now is, what caliper do I use on the rear ?????
The Merc discs that I got (DBA285 equivalent) are 22mm thick, and teh std Supra MA61 are 18mm thick sliding head type.
The options are :
- Bastardise the originals to fit - possible ?
- Lash out for a pair of 2 pot Nissan/Celica rears and widen to suit with spacers (anyone got some ???) - painful but possible and I have to buy them
- Get a pair of used Merc ones - waiting on a price
- Use a piar of late SW20 MR2 ones...Wait a minute, I have a pair !!!!! BARGAIN
The only other cars that run a 22 or wider rear disc are R32 GTR (rare and expensive), some Porsche (same as GTR), the Merc's and the early Falcons (yuck)
One advantage with the MR2's is that they also have a handbrake incorporated into the caliper.
Looking at it in the shed last night, the mounting would be simple and I wouldn't have to dick around with longer studs and reprofiling the rear handbrake shoes, but I would have to adapt the handbrake cable.
Will investigate further and report findings 
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Thu, 18 December 2003 22:08
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Many eighties Volvos, BMW's and apparent MB's use 22mm rotor in the front. Can you use front calipers in the rear?
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Thu, 18 December 2003 22:20
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| Jayem wrote on Fri, 19 December 2003 09:08 |
Many eighties Volvos, BMW's and apparent MB's use 22mm rotor in the front. Can you use front calipers in the rear?
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Prefer not to, otherwise the Front to rear balance will be pretty odd and hard to correct.
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Thu, 18 December 2003 22:29
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Mon, 12 January 2004 02:28
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Greetings all,
For those that have been following this thread, some significant progress has been made over Xmas, wiith one of the key things that a digi cam has finally been procured
The Subaru discs (DBA4654 - 326mm dia x 30mm thick) fit beautifully within the 16" Simmons rims and all that is needed for them to mate to the MS65 hubs is to machine the centre hole to 67mm from the 58 - the bolt holes even line up to mount the didc to the hub  Bonus. The disc even clears the original caliper mounting points !!!
The calipers clear everything and the bracket is fairly simple - this is in the progress of final design and manufacture.
The rear discs (DBA285 equivalents - 300mm dia x 22mm thick) fit even better than imagined. They do not need any machining to fit over the centre spigot and even slip over the studs
I have sourced the bearings and seals, and as soon as the caliper mounts are done, it will be going together with a new thread being started and hopefully, I'll post a few pictures and details for those interested.
The computer is getting reconfigured at the moment, so as soon as that is done, the pics will get downloaded and passed on to those interested, or hopefully hosted on someones site
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Michael B
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Mon, 12 January 2004 02:37
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Pick me! Pick me! I'm interested!
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Mon, 12 January 2004 03:41
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Will do Frank.
Anyone got a website that can host the pics and accociated drivel ?
Ed, there may also be some info for your site on the rear MS123 hub conversion - I now also have all of the bearing and seal part numbers and some pics as well
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Mon, 12 January 2004 03:48
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pics pics pics
ill host it all too if you want 
id really like to see how youre rigging up these subie rotors actually. how much did they cost each? i know the merc ones were a steal (ill be talking to you shortly about obtaining a pair!)
im very fery keen to see how this all goes together.
i just bought all the alloy to make my front rotor hats and caliper mounts. plus i have a whole rear susp assemly in the back yard waiting for a going over with the verniers
these merc rotors sound the goods - now i need to fins some st205 rear calipers 
email pics to :
eoates@gmp.usyd.edu.au
cheers mate
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Mon, 12 January 2004 04:17
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Hiya Ed,
I'll download the pics and send you some as soon as I get the computer up and going again and the software installed.
I'll come up with a word document and the pics inserted (as well as separate) so that you can host it on the web.
The Subie rotors have a list price of $190 each on Autospeed (remember these are the 4000 series rotors, and not the std ones which are more expensive. DBA4654SL & SR are $190 each, whereas the DBA654 (non-slotted) were $320 each !!!). I got a 10% VIP discount and with free fright the total bill was $324 for the pair.
The Subie rotors mount as the std rotors do, and the 5 x 95 mounting bolts match up perfectly.
With the Merc rear rotors, you'll need to space out the calipers to widen the calipers, as they are 22mm thick rather than the ST205's 16mm. And as I had the MR2 rears already and these are 22mm wide, I'll be trying to use them.
Oorooo
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Mon, 12 January 2004 22:20
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recieved
will photoshop and upload in 2 secs...
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:20
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I want! I want! Methinks down the track I'm going to need some MUCH larger wheels...
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:27
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Tue, 13 January 2004 09:20 |
recieved
will photoshop and upload in 2 secs...
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Hmmmmmmm, I'd hate to wait in your waiting room.......
Hurry up Ed, please ????
Hi Frank,
I was surprised that I could fit the discs in with some room to spare, but one advantage must be with the way that Simmons roll their inners to get better caliper clearance over cast mags. I'd heard that some people couldn't get a 330mm disc inside a 17" rim ? 
I can't wait to get it on the road again.
Oooroo
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:34
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gezzus Ed whats taken ya not like its porn or anything just ma61 hub pic.....ohhhhhh...... okkkk
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:35
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Gimme two secs 
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:41
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Cheers Frank, you're a star.
I'll send you some more photos when I get some other info
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Michael B
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:43
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Okalie dokalie. Damn I love Photoshop 
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Re: 5 stud conversion for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!!
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:45
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How did you separate the hubs from the MS123 trailing arms?
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:47
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:50
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damn, im busy photoshopping, i finally hit the reply button, and whammo, look whos beaten me!! damn!!
michael, do you have any profile pics of the subie rotor on the hub giving some idea of the offset?
cheers
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ps - sorry for the delay, got tied up there for a bit
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:53
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 13 January 2004 11:45 |
How did you separate the hubs from the MS123 trailing arms?
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Tried to get them separated using a press, but the workshop I went to couldn't fit it in their press.
So whilst I waited over the Xmas break, I rethreded the nut on, selected the right sized socket, selected a sacraficial 1/2" drive extension, picked up the 4lb hammer, and after a few blows, whala (or similar expressive surprise ), out they popped.
Black Supra posted a link to the Mk2 TRSM, and here it is again
http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM_MKII/
and it details it in a similar manner, but pulls it apart rather than drives it apart. Also gives the useful tip for reassembly
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:54
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I just set Photoshop to make a page like that and automatically resize all the images to 640x480 at a web-friendly compression
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:55
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Woohoo! Instead of $120 to pay someone to remove them, I'm going to go to Supercheap and buy an el cheapo extension!
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:56
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Tue, 13 January 2004 11:50 |
damn, im busy photoshopping, i finally hit the reply button, and whammo, look whos beaten me!! damn!!
michael, do you have any profile pics of the subie rotor on the hub giving some idea of the offset?
cheers
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No probs. Yes I have a pic, and I'll send it through now. Hope it is what you are after. If not let me know and I'll get some more tonight and some measurements if you wish
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Tue, 13 January 2004 00:57
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Me too please, I want all the info I can get.
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Tue, 13 January 2004 01:02
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Ed and Frank,
Let me know what you are after and I will try and oblige.
If you are interested in some front caliper mounts, let me know and I will get extras made up at the same time.
If you are serious, I'll work out a cost and let you know. At the moment, I will be getting 3 sets made, so another 2 or 3 will make it cheaper as well.
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Tue, 13 January 2004 01:07
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If you are getting a caliper bracket made, count me in.
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Tue, 13 January 2004 01:08
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hmmmmm thay look good for the ma45 too
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Tue, 13 January 2004 01:55
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I'm very impressed with your work. I'm also interested in a group buy if it goes ahead!
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Tue, 13 January 2004 02:10
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Thanks guys.
I will get a set of caliper mounts made (only need to make one as they will be a mirror image) and then can work out a cost from there for those that are interested.
I will also be fitting a Mk3 Supra Booster/Master Cyl to get some extra volume to help compensate for the additional fluid volume of the 4 pot calipers
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Tue, 13 January 2004 04:58
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You can get the Mk2 master cylinder bored to 1"... that's probably easier and cheaper than swapping in a Mk3 master. Not sure if you'd acheive much swapping the booster?
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Tue, 13 January 2004 05:03
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I've got one lined up for $100, and it is with a bigger booster as well.
The Mk2 Master has a bore of 23.8mm, whereas the Mk3 is 25.4mm, so theoretically it can move more fluid and with the bigger booster provide more pressure.
It is cheap enough to do it as a suck and see to obtain the best pedal effort. The first trial will be with just the m/cyl swapped in and then the bigger booster if needed.
I have gotten used to a good pedal and braking control when racing my RX2 Club car, so we shall see.
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Tue, 13 January 2004 05:15
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OK, this is based purely on what others have told me, not 1st hand experience. BUT, I heard that the Hilux master cylinder is compatible, just slightly larger and a good/cheap upgrade. I will look into this when I get closer to hitting the road (had to respray engine bay where brake fluid had stripped paint in a sneaky slow leak  ).
Thanks for all the XA6X brake info guys!
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Tue, 13 January 2004 06:43
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Hilux M/C is no good, it's designed for a rear drum setup. Not sure exactly what the difference is, but there is some reason it won't work properly. You need a M/C out of a car with 4 wheel discs.
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Tue, 13 January 2004 06:51
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Fair 'nuff. Either the guy who told me that was referring to another Yota 4WD L'cruiser?), or wrong. I'll find out within the next few months when I look into this seriously.
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Tue, 13 January 2004 13:20
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Tue, 13 January 2004 12:40 |
Thanks guys.
I will get a set of caliper mounts made (only need to make one as they will be a mirror image) and then can work out a cost from there for those that are interested.
I will also be fitting a Mk3 Supra Booster/Master Cyl to get some extra volume to help compensate for the additional fluid volume of the 4 pot calipers
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Michael,
Can't remember if we said anything about that when I was round the other day...but put me down for the caliper mounts. I'll definately be doing the swap
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Tue, 13 January 2004 21:01
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Tue, 13 January 2004 12:40 |
Thanks guys.
I will get a set of caliper mounts made (only need to make one as they will be a mirror image) and then can work out a cost from there for those that are interested.
I will also be fitting a Mk3 Supra Booster/Master Cyl to get some extra volume to help compensate for the additional fluid volume of the 4 pot calipers
Cheers
Michael B
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Michael,
Can't remember if we said anything about that when I was round the other day...but put me down for the caliper mounts. I'll definately be doing the swap
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No probs Dave. I drew the mounts up last night and took some more picyures of the rear setup with the MR2 Calipers sitting in place. I will send them to Ed and Frank to load up so that others can see.
Cheers
Michael B
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 14 January 2004 01:17
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you may wish to re-think your choice of rear caliper, intagrated handbrake is a bitch to rebuild, thay leak and rust in the back after time (same design as ma45 ra45 rear calipers) and the handbrake part tends to get really sucky as far as no parking on decent hills... its the only part where drum brakes have an advantage
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Hiya Allan,
You are right with your points there, but there are several things in the favour of the integral handbrake in my case ;
- I actaully have them sitting in my garage and they fit
- As the disc is bigger than original, it should apply sufficient pressure for handbraking
- The car will not be a daily driver, more like an occasional blast through Adelaide lovely hills and a bit oc curcuit work
- There are not many hills where I normally park
- I will overhaul the calipers before fitting them
But it still remains to be seen how it mates up to the swingarm and the existing brackets
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Wed, 14 January 2004 13:38
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Looking good! bachy.
Can you measure piston diameter in MR2 calipers? and what about weight?
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Looking good! bachy.
Can you measure piston diameter in MR2 calipers? and what about weight?
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Thanks Jayem,
I will try and do both for you. Tried to get overhaul kits for the rear calipers last night, but they are no longer stocked, but I should be able to get something cobbled together, and I'll let you know
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Sun, 18 January 2004 21:02
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Poo, F*&k, Bugger and Bum.
Did some work on the rear brakes on the weeked (mated the disc to the std rear hub (not the 5 stud MS123) and basically, the MR2 rear calipers don't work. Shit, damn bugger and Fu*k. 
Due to the internal handbrake setup, this makes the back of the caliper very long, and it interferes with the rear shock. The configuration of the rest of the swingarm etc means that it can't be fitted in any other location.
Basically it means that I'll have to either do one of the two following things ;
- Keep the Merc discs (muck around making the drum handbrake fit) and buy some twin pot rear calipers and space them to suit the 22mm wide disc, OR
- Return the Merc discs and use the ST205 Celica disc (heaps more expensive) and maybe use the original MA61 rear caliper or still buy twin pot rears and fit them (spare pads came with the car)
Anyone got some twin pot rear calipers for sale ......?????
Will keep you all posted as further developments come to light
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Michael B
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Sun, 18 January 2004 23:35
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Nice work. This has really moved along well.
Use some nice ST205 rear calipers (space them out to accomodate the thicker rotor) and make the MA61 internal drum mechanism work. You will need to radius grind the shoes by 2 mm and also make the shoes "thinner".
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Hi Mr Tomato,
I'd love to use ST205 calipers. Got any ..... ????
I'd love to shave about 2mm off of the drum shoes, but they are about 2mm thick as it is Will see what is req'd to make them fit, but have to get the actual stub into the rear arm before I get too carried away.
I was avoiding having to modify calipers, as it is another thing to do, but it appears to be a narrowing option.
The price of the ST205 rear rotors is the main clincher to sticking with the existing Merc ones ($76 for the Mers and $170 for the ST205's).
The best price I can get for the 300ZX Z32 calipers is $175/pair. R32 GTR Skyline Calipers (later) were 22mm thick as well, but the Z32's are 16mm thick and the ST205's are 16mm.
Overall, I have to look at the cost (one of the major aspects in any upgrade ) and if I stick with the original caliper + ST205 discs, the overall priice is the same as Merc discs + Nissan Calipers.
Oh dear, what do I do. Time to think and see what I can come up with.
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Mon, 19 January 2004 02:18
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Here's a crazy idea: can you use your old front calipers on the rear?
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Here's a crazy idea: can you use your old front calipers on the rear?
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Sometimes it takes a smart person to state the bleeding obvious.
The front discs are 20mm thick vs the 22mm of the disc, but this can probably be overcome. I'll definitely have a look at the option
Cheers Norbs
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Mon, 19 January 2004 13:20
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Bbaacchhyy: Can you get any satisfactory clearance if you use your calipers reversed, I mean left in the right and vice versa.
Of course you will have some bleeding problems but...
...you know.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Mon, 19 January 2004 21:04
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Did some more work last night and whilst some success, even more Poo, Bugger and Bum.
On the way home last night (after some serious negotiating with several suppliers), I managed to pick up a set of Nissan Z32 300ZX rear twin pot calipers for $200.
After putting the little tacker to bed and getting other sundry household chores done, I headed to the shed to see what I could do. The calipers actually fit the 22mm thick disc with a bees dick either side (more clearance can be gained with some judicious 'relieving' of some caliper material - minor really). The mounting bracket looks pretty cool and not too hard to machine from a bit of 25mm alloy plate. Then being pretty bloody happy with myself, I think that I better check the caliper to wheel clearance. CRUNCH To be able to make the caliper clear, I would need about a 10 - 12mm spacer.
I then tried Norbies suggestion of the MA61 front caliper, and whilst it will be a squeeze, the caliper bracket (on the caliper itself) is ugly and gets in the way, and would make life more painful. It remains an option, but a poor third at that.
I'll look at what I need to do to fit the 300ZX rear caliper and then decide what to do.
Jayem : The MR2 Calipers don't provide any relief fitting them to the wrong side. Been there and tried that. They would be OK if you had a hydraulic handbrake (still a possibility but need to determine the legality for Aus first)
Gianttomato : Can you measure the height of the ST205 rear caliper for me between the outer disc face and the outer edge of the caliper ?
Sorry for the long post, but thought those that are interested would appreciate the info.
Cheers
Michael B
PS I could just stick with the std rear brakes .......
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 20 January 2004 21:13
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Hi guys,
rsdeo : Norbie put us on to your post on CelicaSupra.com a while ago as well. Good reading and pics. One thing though, when you have Jim's BBK, why aren't you using it ?
The front custom bracket that I am making is quite simple, and the caliper and disc 'fill' the wheel centre rather than looking like a small bread plate. But still good for people with small wheels.
Anyway, yet another quick update.
With the 300ZX rear calipers, I need a 19mm spacer to clear the internal wheel bolts on my 3 piece rims, but it looks like I can get some longer studs (30mm longer than std) from Stewart Wilkins Motorsport that will do the job nicely, so I will buy some of them and see how I go.
The rear drum showes being as weorn as they are is also a hlep, as then I will have to do minimal surgery to the shoes in order for them to fit. Next stop is to get some brackets made and mount a stub in the swingarm and get serious.
Frank, I'll send some more pics when I download them.
Cheers
Michael B
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Tue, 20 January 2004 22:46
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Wed, 21 January 2004 08:13 |
Hi guys,
rsdeo : Norbie put us on to your post on CelicaSupra.com a while ago as well. Good reading and pics. One thing though, when you have Jim's BBK, why aren't you using it ?
The front custom bracket that I am making is quite simple, and the caliper and disc 'fill' the wheel centre rather than looking like a small bread plate. But still good for people with small wheels.
Anyway, yet another quick update.
With the 300ZX rear calipers, I need a 19mm spacer to clear the internal wheel bolts on my 3 piece rims, but it looks like I can get some longer studs (30mm longer than std) from Stewart Wilkins Motorsport that will do the job nicely, so I will buy some of them and see how I go.
The rear drum showes being as weorn as they are is also a hlep, as then I will have to do minimal surgery to the shoes in order for them to fit. Next stop is to get some brackets made and mount a stub in the swingarm and get serious.
Frank, I'll send some more pics when I download them.
Cheers
Michael B
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Michael I decided to do some reading here after you posted on CSForums. I wish Norbie had mentioned you were working on this, but no big deal. I ended up joining this forum to throw some ideas around and learn.
Yes I have the JK BBK and is really sweet, but I'm just doing this for fun pure and simple. To give back to the community and help those that can't afford the JK BBK. Someone already said they want my Z32 parts and conversion parts. So they won't go to waste.
Once completed I'll post the dimensions and part lists of everything I make or buy so anyone can do it themselves. I decided to post some pics here also to give others an idea of what I've been doing.
You may consider using an adapter instead of a thick spacer. If you didn't know those 17" wheels I'm using were 16" wheels that I changed the inner and outer hoop to myself. The only thing was the offset was too posative for me to use so I got some adapters with the same bolt pattern. Just bolt on the adapters to your hubs and bolt the wheels to the adapters. May be a lot stronger.
I'll email you later to discuss this conversion and the other thing we were talking about.
Keep us posted on your findings. Very interesting reading.
Thanks.
[Updated on: Tue, 20 January 2004 23:15]
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 21 January 2004 00:15
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I think by adapter, he means something that bolts to the hub and has its own wheel studs as opposed to a spacer which just sits on the wheel studs.
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Re: 5 stud conv. for MA61 - so I can get some decent mags !!!!! Now MA61 BBK :-)
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Wed, 21 January 2004 01:24
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No problems rsdeo. I though that is what you meant, and have sent in a form for a quote. I have seen some at an importers here, but they want $695 for a set of 4 !!!!!!
Cheers
Michael B
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