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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Fri, 06 February 2004 08:49
 
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Hmm
Aus delivered cars only? (otherwise there are heaps of others  )
W40 / W50 (4 speed vrs 5 speed) steel case, came in old crowns, cressidas (mx32), celicas (ra23, ra28, ra40), corona's, corona mk2's, and prbly some I've forgotten...however I have a feeling that you were more interested in the W55, W57, W58 gearboxes 
W55, W57, W58 are alloy cased gearboxes, the W57 and W58 (I believe that the JZA80 W58 has different ratios?) share the same first gear to fourth gear ratios, with fith on the W58 being more overdriven (ie less revs at highway speed). The W55 has different ratios to the W57 and W58.
Also apparently W58's have a steel sandwich plate (but I've heard word of some having alloy ones as well ), if it does have a steel sandwich plate it should be a W58 though (or one of the equivalent gearboxes that came out in hiluxes? which have crappy ratios?).
W55's came in RA60's (some?), RA65 (some), SA63
W57's came in RA60's, RA65's
W58's came in RA65's (some), MA61's, JZA80's (behind the 2JZ-GE)
The W58 is considered the best box generally, due to its close ratios and steel sandwich plate which makes it a bit stronger. The later W58 gearboxes (the JZA80 ones) are considered better again as they have a slightly larger input bearing.
btw I am in no way an authority on this matter so I feel confident that others can contribute further 
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Fri, 06 February 2004 09:28
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| wilbo666 wrote on Fri, 06 February 2004 18:49 |
Hmm
Aus delivered cars only? (otherwise there are heaps of others )
W40 / W50 (4 speed vrs 5 speed) steel case, came in old crowns, cressidas (mx32), celicas (ra23, ra28, ra40), corona's, corona mk2's, and prbly some I've forgotten...however I have a feeling that you were more interested in the W55, W57, W58 gearboxes
W55, W57, W58 are alloy cased gearboxes, the W57 and W58 (I believe that the JZA80 W58 has different ratios?) share the same first gear to fourth gear ratios, with fith on the W58 being more overdriven (ie less revs at highway speed). The W55 has different ratios to the W57 and W58.
Also apparently W58's have a steel sandwich plate (but I've heard word of some having alloy ones as well ), if it does have a steel sandwich plate it should be a W58 though (or one of the equivalent gearboxes that came out in hiluxes? which have crappy ratios?).
W55's came in RA60's (some?), RA65 (some), SA63
W57's came in RA60's, RA65's
W58's came in RA65's (some), MA61's, JZA80's (behind the 2JZ-GE)
The W58 is considered the best box generally, due to its close ratios and steel sandwich plate which makes it a bit stronger. The later W58 gearboxes (the JZA80 ones) are considered better again as they have a slightly larger input bearing.
btw I am in no way an authority on this matter so I feel confident that others can contribute further
Cheers
Wilbo
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Dont forget the ma70 wilbo 
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Brisbane
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September 2003
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Fri, 06 February 2004 13:15
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When we did the second engine swap into FrankenCorona (my faithful old XT130W that went from the original 1X Starfire/BW 4sp to 18RC/W50 to 21RC/W55) it came from a RT131 Corona XX. This was the imported model with square lights and rubber bumpers. I always thougyt it was a W55 but it may have been a W57.
Hope this helps,
Dominic
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Fri, 06 February 2004 14:39
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Actually, W55 has a diff ratio (maybe only 1st and 2nd) to W57 and W58, but 3rd and 4th are the same, and 5th different.
With W58 best highway, then W57, then W55
W50 has the closest ratios for draggin, and the smoothest shifter IMO.
If you are putting oodles of power in, get a W50, cheapest of the bunch (provided you can get the right bell/h) and best shifter.
Remember, W55/7/8 bell/h are interchangeable, and W40/50 are, but not between the 2 groups
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Sat, 07 February 2004 01:59
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Rather than listing every car ever built, here's an easier rule of thumb:
- Pre-82 (or thereabouts) most larger RWD Toyota cars came with a W40 (4-speed) or W50 (5-speed). Smaller cars came with a T50 5-speed (some Celicas and Corollas) or a K-series box (most Corollas).
- Post-82 the steel-case W40/50 was replaced with the alloy-case W5x boxes. Generally speaking the 4-cylinder cars came with a W55/57, while the sixes came with W58's.
- Post-92 or so saw the introduction of the second generation W58, which has updated internals including double-row synchros on 2nd and 3rd. Some say this box is stronger than earlier W58's but I still managed to break one. 
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Location:
Melbourne
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September 2002
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Fri, 23 April 2004 12:07
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| Sprinter wrote on Thu, 22 April 2004 18:16 |
So which car/gb combination came with which shifter location?
Dellow have the following shifter locations identified:
18 Inch - SA63
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I beg to freaking differ with Dellow on this one my W55 that I am using is out of an SA63 and it MOST DEFIANTLY has the 21" shifter position....
and a picture to prove I'm not a lying gasbag (sorry, the pic could be better but it is shiny  )
Cheers
Wilbo
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Thu, 17 June 2004 12:15
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The W55 has an alloy case, whereas the W50 is a steel case. It will be a piece of cake to identify them.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Thu, 17 June 2004 12:19
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thanks frank, but how tell it from the rest of the range such as W56 etc.. or do I just go off the year (pre 92), is that enough?
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Thu, 17 June 2004 12:41
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Just check the firewall plate, they'll be in RA60/65 Celicas, NA Mk3 Supras, Mk2 Supras.
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Brisbane
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June 2003
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Thu, 17 June 2004 12:44
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take a magnet with you (like an old speaker), itll soon tell you if it it steel or alloy!
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August 2005
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Tue, 16 August 2005 07:47
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Heya im a bit new to all this car stuff 
But from what i have read a W55/57 should be able to fit into my 85 corona wagon . . . but will i have to make any mounting mods to the car because it currently has the auto 3sp in it which is really lagging the car and from driving my mates corona i believe this will unleash some hidden power from the small rona's 2l engine. . .
any help would be GREATLY appreciated
thanks
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Tue, 16 August 2005 08:07
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Just grab a 5-speed box and all the related hardware from a manual 85 Corona. That will be the easiest way to do it, and it should cost stuff-all as well.
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Tasmania
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May 2002
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Wed, 17 August 2005 04:46
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Many recent model HiLux's, 2x4 have W56 gearboxs. These are the ones with 3RZ-FE and 5L engines. (The 1KZ-TE and 5VZ-FE have the bigger R150 series gearbox, as do the new model HiLux).
Many HiLux and HiAce have a G52 gearbox, which I think is the same as the W series, but the HiAce have the shifter linkages on the side, and the 4x4 HiLux have a different rear housing for the transfer of course.
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Location:
Tamworth
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August 2004
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Wed, 17 August 2005 10:28
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about the strongest out of the w50 vs w55.
In a gearbox rating in a magazine i read a while back, cant remember which but it gave the alloy case w55 a higher rating for strength then the steel case w50. A transmission factory in town also recomends the w55 over the w50 for strength. i know its an old post but i think its still worth discussing
Id like to know were i can get my mits on a p51 g-box.
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Location:
Vancouver
Registered:
June 2004
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Re: What cars came with what box? (W5*)
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Sat, 20 August 2005 04:56
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up here in Canada, I've never seen a W57 anywhere...
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