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4age/4agze into ke20
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Sun, 15 February 2004 06:44
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Hi all.
I am about to begin building up a ke20 and putting in either a 4age 20v or a 4agze. want i need to know is the right types of diff, struts, discs etc that i will need for the conversion. Any help will be appreciated.
cheers
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Compton.Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Sun, 15 February 2004 13:17
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put a 13b in it better 
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 07:02
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13b = illegal.
there are MANY ways to do this conversion. you can use anything from the original struts to custom, stock diff to ford 9", T or W series box. discs? well take some time to go thru the DBA cat after you have chosen your struts...
not a huge amount of info around on these conversions, but they are around...
Cya, Stewart
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Compton.Sydney
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 07:26
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Why is this illegal?
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Location:
Compton.Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 07:37
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isnt a 13B a 1.3 litre? what about if you get it engineered or put into a ke55?
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 09:01
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ahh no.
KE55, depends on original vehicle weight. these are MAXIMUM figure for LEGAL engineering.
please take note of my sig  i already told you where to find the info....
anyhoo, enough thread jacking...
good luck with the KE20 install.. i suggest getting along to a toymods dyno day. there always seem to be a couple of 4A KE20's there..
Cya, Stewart
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Compton.Sydney
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 09:06
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RTA man bunch of cock suckers 
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 09:28
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http://www.mazdarotary.net/technical.htm
look at the bottom of this site. Says the 13B engine is 1.3 litre 1308cc the ke55 came out with a 1.3L engine so shouldnt it be legal????
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 09:40
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FFS.
rotary is 2 stroke, the accepted capacity of the rotraies is twice the displaced volume, and in some racing classification, 2.5 or 3 times.
how
about
you
go
talk
to
an
engineer.....
that easy enough to understand?? they will be amused about putting 13B into KE20
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 09:48
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how
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read
properly....
i said into a ke55
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 10:01
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what does a KE35/55 weigh? use that weight and...
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this is all in the "Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Modification" available from the RTA
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which will tell you EXACTLY the maximum capacity NA and charged engine you can put in it WITH engineering.
without engineering, maximum capacity increase or power increase is 15% above stock..
soudns to me like you have never looked at the engineering rules for light vehicles before?? now is a good tiem to start..
the COPfLVM is only about $50 or so (well, was when i bought it)
i read KE55, i know it weighs almost the same as a KE35 (approx 850-870kg) AND i know the formula the RTA uses to work out engine capacities that are legally engineerable. you obviously don't all you need to do is a little research (on the RTA website f'rinstance)
i can't help you with your attitude tho 
how about you start another thead and sto thread-jacking huh?
Cya, Stewart
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 10:05
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your the one with the attitude not me think you need to take a chill pill
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Toymods Board Member
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 14:02
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| -=NiGz=- wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 00:17 |
put a 13b in it better
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comments such as this are unconstructive... if you can't help the original poster then please don't post
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RTA man bunch of cock suckers
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is another pointless and even offensive comment
These sort of comments are not going to be tolerated especially in the tech section.
Please think about what you post NiGz... further examples will incur a warning.
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Hobart
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January 2004
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 14:20
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now back onto the original thread 
a mate of mine is doing the same conversion with a 4age into a ke20, it seems doing the rear diff and discs and also any mods to rear suspension is easiest done by transplanting the backend(axle, diff, discs)from a rwd car of your choice(i'd go the last of the rwd celicas maybe) then get an engineer to cut n shut etc, im not sure exactly what is done in this process to mod the rear axle to fit but im sure stuart will have more answers than you need 
ps. i know very little so no one should take my word for anything
aidan
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Hobart
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Mon, 16 February 2004 14:21
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sorry stewart, i misspelt your name in the previous post
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Tue, 17 February 2004 19:00
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depends on how much power you're going to produce as to what sort of diff you're going to need.
a 4agze or gte would mince a ta22 diff in no time if driven "enthusiastically"...so i wouldn't go to the expense of modding one of those.
dare i say it but a borg warner shortened to suit might be a good idea to look at perhaps?
re: front discs, there are a few options - stewart might be best to comment here though - from what i've read on old corollas ke70 gear will bolt straight up (depending on what power you're going to make here) - not sure whether you could look at the hilux/pug/rt132/xt130 strut conversion maybe? fook is doing this in his ke35 at the moment with 4AGE conversion.
IF i ever get a corolla again it will have a 4K with either quad throttle bodies/fuel injection or turbocharged. i like my K motors and, after one engine conversion which is fairly straightforward wouldn't bother doing one again. just mod whats already there and fits fine.
just my 2c.
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Location:
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Wed, 18 February 2004 01:08
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I'm in the middle of doing the diff/struts in my KE20 now. I used the RA60 front struts and control arms. The struts are perfect, but the control arms are waay too short. But thats relatively easy fixed. In the back I used a sigma diff. I'm not sure if its the best option yet. There don't seem to be many lsd centres for this, but it has 280mm discs and is a bit bigger than a sprinter diff (BW68 I think). It measures about 1400mm wide which just fits under my KE20 which has been pumped a bit. I'm also using 15" silvia rims which have a +40mm offset. The diff only cost $70 so I'll fit it up and see how it goes but I may end up getting a skyline one cut down yet.
You can bolt up KE70 discs to KE20 hubs and the backing plate can just be made up out of some 6mm plate (using the Girlock KE70 calipers). I have this set up on my current KE20 and it is better but I don't think any engineer will be satisfied with it for a ZE or 20V conversion. BTW I have a 20V in my unfinished KE20.
If you need any help on the 20V install check out the gallery and there are some photos of mine in a pdf doc. called "20V RWD the right way" or something. I have some close ups of the mods I made to the head now as well (for water flow).
Also (to whom it may concern) a 13B is classed as a 2.6 liter engine by the RTA and therefore illegal in anything under 866.67kg, but yes the RTA are a bunch of penis lickers.
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Wed, 18 February 2004 22:26
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bit off topic, but relevant ...
what boost does the 41gze run standard, and what boost can u run with a FMIC installed ?
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Location:
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January 2004
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Tue, 24 February 2004 08:40
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thats awesome. way more info than expected. thanks heaps aye. just another question since i am a "newcomer", is there a way to track these messages, cause its pretty annouying having to find my own messages every time i come online....
ill keep you all updated on how the ke20 goes....the little rust that is in it is on its way out now....not too long till it can be sprayed.
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hobart
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November 2002
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Re: 4age/4agze into ke20
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Tue, 24 February 2004 11:45
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Seadog do you have any more info on strut conversion as i have the same intentions. Details on mods and alterations
be a great help Cheers Chris
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