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Fri, 16 August 2002 00:30
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Just reading this article:
http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/reviews/reviewstory .asp?ID=4114
Apparently, they're making it more "sporty" with firmer springs and shocks and even a strut brace!
It's gonna have the same 2.4L VVTi engine as the Tarago. The V6 will stay the same but there will be a hi po version (finally!).
Now, if only there was a RWD option.....
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A.C.T
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July 2002
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Re: New Camry
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Fri, 16 August 2002 01:30
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My dad is involved in the national release of the new Camry so i can find out any info you guys want to know about. Yes there will be a sportivo model Camry, however the "hi po" version isn't as Hi po as you may first think. I'll check because i havnt really asked dad about it yet, but i'm pretty sure the sportivo only has the usual cosmetic changes with the addition of a 'special' exhaust that allows for around an extra 7hp or kw i can't remmember, but it's 7 somethings! I'll find out more and let you know.
André
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: New Camry
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Fri, 16 August 2002 01:38
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Yeah, the article mentions something about the exhuast.
It's sad. Was expecting a bit more engine work... But at least there's some work as opposed to sticking a body kit on it and calling it a "Touring"...
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Re: New Camry
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Fri, 16 August 2002 11:07
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In case you missed it, this is a American Modified Camry I posted up
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Re: New Camry
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Fri, 16 August 2002 14:09
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steve frost will love it mate, fully sick ay
*eats taco*
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Preston
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June 2002
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Re: New Camry
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Sat, 17 August 2002 06:28
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I like the look of the new camry's a lot. i was following one yesterday for a bit. I ddint think they were out yet, so it might have been being tested or something. Now if only it was RWD and the Sportivo came with a 3UZ-FE!!!
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Re: New Camry
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Sun, 18 August 2002 01:51
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The new Camry is based on the current Lexus ES300.
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Ipswich QLD
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May 2002
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Re: New Camry
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Sun, 18 August 2002 02:08
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The solara convertibles look pretty good to.
I'd be the first to say i hate all types of camry's, but this one's looking quite sleek!
Thanks
Ben
PS- apprently the new camry's were voted Number one in the world for being the easiest car to wash!- now thats an award!LOL
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Newcastle
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June 2002
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Re: New Camry
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Sun, 18 August 2002 02:19
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What a fine looking automobile.
big ass tailights.....sic
it is sad how so many cool cars have turned into front wheel bandits. Why have many car designers/whatevers chosen the front wheel option?? i dont like it 
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: New Camry
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Sun, 18 August 2002 09:37
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Front wheel drive - less power loss through the drivetrain hence better on fuel economy - General Public like fuel economy
FWD - Takes up less room hence - more room for the interior - once again general public like that.
FWD - Cheaper to manufacture the RWD or AWD - OBVIOUS!!
So all round its better for the general public but ppl that are into cars hate it
but i mean its designed to be a family car right ?? so fair enough thats its FWD
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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August 2002
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Re: New Camry
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Sun, 18 August 2002 09:37
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front wheel drive is often chosen because it's more economical and cheaper to build than RWD, and at the end of the day, money matters more than driving pleasure.
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May 2002
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Re: New Camry
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Sun, 18 August 2002 09:38
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beat u to it wizz fizz
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Re: New Camry
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Sun, 18 August 2002 11:03
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As i said before on the last post, I like it... Big ass tail lights to be replaced with fully sik clear ones... Did someone say rice  ...
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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Re: New Camry
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Mon, 19 August 2002 09:51
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How can it be based on the ES300? That is a RWD car?
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Travelling overseas
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July 2002
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Re: New Camry
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Mon, 19 August 2002 23:00
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FWD/RWD/AWD...
Has anyone ever driven an Alfa Romeo Sprint? My old man has one and they are FWD and would have to be the best handling car I have ever driven apart from my mates WRX (but that has the obvious AWD advantage). (To qualify that I havent driven a Porsche or Ferrari,etc but have driven a lot of main stream cars).
They go on rails - my point is sometimes FWD can be built to handle better than RWD because of the low centre of gravity but if you do lose it your f$%ked.
I am not saying that I dont like RWD though...used to love doing power slides in my old Alfa Alfetta (the most well balanced production sedan of its time because of the gearbox in the rear).
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Mon, 19 August 2002 23:11
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You think that a WRX handles well?!?
My thoughts of the WRX aren't quite so flattering after I drove one. Understeering POS... 
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Re: New Camry
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Mon, 19 August 2002 23:14
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Yeah true nark they are prone to understeer
but have u driven the STI's ?? they have more bias to the rear so they hug the corners like a mofo.....so i've heard.
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Re: New Camry
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Mon, 19 August 2002 23:32
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Max
Yeah I thought it handled well but as I said I havent driven any super cars or anything. Would you say your RA60 handles better than a rex?
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Mon, 19 August 2002 23:45
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manipulate, I'd love to drive an STi... I'd set the FR bias to 10:90 and have a blast... 
Toby, my car easily handles better than a WRX, but the suspension is hardly stock... I've never been beaten by a WRX (stock or modified) through the twisties, but 99% of WRX drivers can't drive...
At the end of the day, I'm not after a car that does fast times (I'm not racing), I want the most fun to drive, and for that nothing but a RWD cuts it.
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Re: New Camry
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Mon, 19 August 2002 23:56
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I was talking stock cars but it sounds like you have a very nice handling beast. I havent driven an RA60 so I have no idea how a stock one handles.
Agreed on the WRX drivers - a lot of mid life crises going on inside them 
Also agreed on the RWD, they are more fun to drive. I was just pointing out there are some positives to FWD, its not all bad.
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Re: New Camry
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Tue, 20 August 2002 00:02
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Stock, even with the same power, a WRX would munch an RA60. Although, I did always beat WRXs when I had the 1G-GTE and stock suspension/wheels... Even in the rain. But I must reitterate about the driving abilities of WRX drivers.... 
FWD is OK if you want to go fast, especially when there's little grip and not much power/boost.
But you'll never see me owning a FWD. 
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Gold Coast, QLD
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Re: New Camry
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Tue, 20 August 2002 04:35
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 19 August 2002 7:51 PM |
How can it be based on the ES300? That is a RWD car?
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Jeez, someone should have told me before i started doing reverse dohnuts in the test mule ES300 we had then...
No jokes, the ES300 is definately FWD because i had about 15minutes of fun on the skid pan at my dads work with one of the test vehicles we had. (my dad does tests and releases of all of Toyota's/Lexus's new models.) Unfortunately i didn't have THAT much fun because of the little front wheel drive aspect. (you may have been thinking of a GS300).
FWD is a really good idea, it's generally safer for the general public and of course all of the previously mentioned plusses. If anyone wants to argue the safety apsect of a FWD VS a RWD i will be glad to rip your argument apart. I have sat in on MANY years worth of listening to my Dad's and his work partner's (Rick Bates) lectures on Vehicle dynamics and the like, and i pretty much have it down pat, so if anyone else (not mentioning any names) thinks they know it all i'd be glad to show you the light. Also any questions would be gladly answered.
And back to that WRX thing. If you think a stock WRX handles good, then i think it may be time to upgrade from the EXCEL... After doing many laps around various curcuits around Australia in various tunes of WRX, I find that unless they have AT LEAST a mild rear stabiliser on them, they are atrocious understeerers. Of course it is possible to drive them in a way so as to lessen the understeer during cornering, however then the vehicle will be cornering much slower than it's excellent chassis and driveline could otherwise handle with ease. You may find it hard to beleive, but back when my TA22 was stock-as-a-rock besides some stiffened King springs, it would easily out corner a stock WRX on any track i put it on, especially tighter curcuits like the old Wakefield.
Anyway, i probably sound like i'm bragging or something, which i'm not, just venting some info some of you might've not known. (With a bit of passion mixed in )
André
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Re: New Camry
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Tue, 20 August 2002 08:12
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Andre
You are obviously looking for a sledging war with that Excel comment but I am not going to lower myself to your level. Thats not what the forums are for as far as I understand kiddo.
I have driven a stock TA22 and in my opinion the handling was very ordinary. I cant comment on individually modified beasts obviously. Please dont get all defensive TA22 owners, I have a stock Twinky (for now) and totally admit its not good on the bendy bits.
I dont own a WRX nor would I buy one but as Nark said a standard WRX would munch a standard RA60 , now I dont know that much abour sillycars (only just got into Toyotas) but are you saying the TA22 would be better than an RA60 on the bendy bits??
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Re: New Camry
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Mon, 26 August 2002 07:55
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No i was not saying that, maybe you may have missed the part where i mentioned my car has quite stiff (and i should have mentioned substantially lowered) springs, so in this case yes, a little TA22 with the above mods would in most cases have better handling capabilities compared to a stock RA60. Also my cousin owned a stock RA60 about 3 years ago and unfortunately the suspension was slightly 'boatish' from the factory. I'm sure if you compared an RA60 with the SAME mods then the outcome may be of a different nature.
And about that excel thing. Did i mention anything about styling, build quality, driver satisfaction? No, i think not. If you would kindly re-read over my comment, all i was stating about the Excel was that they do not have a very performance oriented suspension setup as standard from the fatory, nothing more, nothing less. I'm sure if you were to spend some cash in the suspension and chassis department they would be quite a killer handling package.
In case you read my reply in the wrong light (which seems to be the case) you would not have noticed that apart from the excel argument i made that i now withdraw, i was very careful with my wording as to not offend anyone or anyone's vehicle. I was simply stating the facts and am sorry if i have offended anyone with any comments i have made.
André
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Re: New Camry
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Mon, 26 August 2002 08:36
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Right well that clears it up a bit. I'll take you word for it that your machine handles better than a WRX seeing as I have never driven your car.
No you didnt mention styling, etc on an Excel, nor did I, so whats your point? In case you thought I was defending an Excel, let me make it quite clear that I would not be spending a red cent on one of those! I have disliked those cars since first driving my mate's fathers about 7 years ago. Sorry Excel owners - although I can understand why some people buy them - cheap to get from A to B (to each his own I say).
I did re-read your comment and no you did not say anything about an Excel not having factory performance suspension!!!  I do agree with that comment but you did not say that at all.  What you said was that I should upgrade from the Excel if I thought a WRX had good handling! Was that necessary? Nobody else made any derogatory comments they just said they didnt think a WRX handles well. I am here to learn more about cars not get paid out by a teenaged know-it-all. No I havent driven a million slightly different tuned WRX around circuits and as stated I have not driven supercars... I wasnt saying that WRXs have the best handling of all cars I was just stating that of the cars I have driven (quite a few Alfas, Fiats, Merc, Jag, Saab, Japs , Falcodores, etc - some of those Italian cars renowned for good handling amongst stock cars) I thought the Rex handled best.
Do yourself a favour and stick to helping people out if you know a lot about cars and not taking jibes at them or big-noting yourself.
Anyways as I said, I'm not here to have an argument so no hard feelings buddy.
Everyone else - sorry the thread has degenerated to this 
[Updated on: Mon, 26 August 2002 08:38]
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: New Camry
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Tue, 27 August 2002 08:05
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just had a good look at the burgandy "camry" posted on this thread - it looks nice - but i think the aussie new ones a little different isnt it - less sportyish ?? I dont mind the IS3000 also - though unsure if its FWD or RWD. I believe a factory TRD supercharger on them makes a hell of a difference
pity it isnt a RWD though - i do prefer the fact that my power and steering isnt coming from the same wheels in the ta22 - and feel a lot more confident driving it in the rain than i do my brothers TX3 laser .
To add to the ta22 vs ra60 thread - i have tried this out on a quick mountain run with a fellow celica owner - his is a ra65 though - both of us have similar suspension modifications done ( ie swaybars shocks etc ) and i was able to quite easily keep up with him in the twisties - but this could also come down to driver skill. Ive grown up in the hills - having bee raised 20 mins from the great ocean road - turny roads are the norm for me .. He was able to pull out of corners a little quicker ( more torque i think in his powerplant to mine ) but the celica had it into the corners + thru.
Having never been in a WRX , though having been in a GT4 Group A i can say that the Grp A Was lovely to be in around corners - the grip amazed me ! just turn it in - and let the AWD carry the car around . I have also followed said GRp A in a club run in my ta22 - and where i was having understeer issues ( a common ta22 gripe ) the GT4 just kept turning in .. Theres obvious advantages of that ssytem with a driver who REALLY knows how to use it
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