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v6 soarer
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Sun, 07 March 2004 10:47
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A mate of mine is looking at buying a Soarer with a v6 in it.
Does anyone know about this particular model, good points, bad points.
Any comments would be appreciated.
Steve
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Re: v6 soarer
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Sun, 07 March 2004 12:22
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theres no such thing as a v6 soarer.............
mayube u mean the inline 6 non turbo which would be the 2jz ge
they go alright.. but not at all fast
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Re: v6 soarer
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Sun, 07 March 2004 12:38
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Tell him not to waste his time.
Tell him to look at either the twin turbo 6 or the V8. Unless he likes redlining it just to get it moving. 
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 07:54
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Well there ya go, was the V6 thing on jap-spec cars only?
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 07:55
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Just cos it's on their page doesn't mean it exists. Personally I wouldn't be buying anything from someone who doesn't know what engine they have. The 3l 6 cylinder Soarer they are describing has a 2JZGE inline six. There is no V6 Soarer.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 11:19
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That just proves you shouldn't go back there again because they don't know what they are talking about. 
Check it out:
http://www.jkwebdesign.co.uk/lexusclub/prodhist.ht m
1994: Added 2JZ-GE. (DOHC 3.0L wide CAM angled INLINE 6).
Not 1MZ-FE that you'd find in a V6 camry.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 13:03
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just because the person who made that webpage is a fucking dumbass doesent mean i dont know what im talking about. Beleive me, i know my soarers... hell.. i own 2
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 13:31
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Holy Cow did the Soarer put on weight - 1640kg - 1810kg
thats one Fat car. Why is the GT so fricken heavy may I ask?
With that sort of power-weight ratio, I'm keen to take it on. Esp with an auto.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 13:47
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1810 kilo one would be the uzz32 with 1uz fe and hydraulic ram suspension
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 13:48
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Soarers are a luxo-cruiser, they come loaded down with all manner of gadgets and doo-dads. They're not meant to be a nimble sports car, that's what the Supra is for!
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 14:00
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| Norbie wrote on Mon, 08 March 2004 23:48 |
Soarers are a luxo-cruiser, they come loaded down with all manner of gadgets and doo-dads. They're not meant to be a nimble sports car, that's what the Supra is for!
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Exactly.
That's why I want a uzz31. Standard luxury with a V8. But they arn't TOO much of a slug either. 
If I wanted a pure go fast machine I'd have my sights on a JZA80 instead.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 14:01
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 00:48 |
Soarers are a luxo-cruiser, they come loaded down with all manner of gadgets and doo-dads. They're not meant to be a nimble sports car, that's what the Supra is for!
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Did you just say nimble and Supra in the same sentance? LOL.
Supras are still fat at 1500+ kgs.
I'm sure a JZA80 will out corner a Soarer, but a Supra is no GT-4 or... you know one of those other corner loving cars.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 14:22
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Clearly you've never been in a JZA80. Overall weight is only part of the story.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 22:00
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| T APLUS 22 wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 00:31 |
Holy Cow did the Soarer put on weight - 1640kg - 1810kg
thats one Fat car. Why is the GT so fricken heavy may I ask?
With that sort of power-weight ratio, I'm keen to take it on. Esp with an auto.
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They've got the figures messed up on that website...
The last Soarer that's mentioned (the Soarer GT V6  ) is the lightest if I'm not mistaken (toss up between the twin turbo and the N/A S-T-R-A-I-G-H-T 6)
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 22:23
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| Shraka wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 01:01 |
Did you just say nimble and Supra in the same sentance? LOL.
Supras are still fat at 1500+ kgs.
I'm sure a JZA80 will out corner a Soarer, but a Supra is no GT-4 or... you know one of those other corner loving cars.
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ohh darlin tell me your not serious?
do your research on the weight of the GT4.
then go drive a JZA80 spiritedly, you will find that when cornering they dont feel as big as they look.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 23:09
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would be better if they were sub 1400
one thing find with my car though is its maybe a bit too light lol
with the steering and such
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 23:25
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| Apollo wrote on Mon, 08 March 2004 22:00 |
| Norbie wrote on Mon, 08 March 2004 23:48 |
Soarers are a luxo-cruiser, they come loaded down with all manner of gadgets and doo-dads. They're not meant to be a nimble sports car, that's what the Supra is for!
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Exactly.
That's why I want a uzz31. Standard luxury with a V8. But they arn't TOO much of a slug either.
If I wanted a pure go fast machine I'd have my sights on a JZA80 instead.
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Althoug ironically, the heavier UZZ32 is the best handling of the lot.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 23:33
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They're not meant to be a nimble sports car, that's what the Supra is for!
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heehee I never really thought of the supra as "nimble". Maybe, "powerful"? I think the size and weight factor kinda detract from "nimbleness" connotations. I usually think of something small as nimble Like a celica, OR I supposed COMPARED to the Soarer...
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 23:35
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So how muh does your FWD celica weigh rob??
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 23:37
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Rob, I think you need to take a ride in a JZA80 and then reassess your situation.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 23:54
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my celica, uh, roughly 1100. Maybe a bit less. 30% lighter than a fat ass supra. 
But how can you tell me that a car as wide as a landcruiser and almost as long is "nimble"? Just think of the connotations of the word.. or perhaps the defenition???
nimˇble P Pronunciation Key (nmbl)
adj. nimˇbler, nimˇblest
Quick, light, or agile in movement or action; deft: nimble fingers. See Synonyms at dexterous.
see that little word in there, "light", LIGHT
the supra is not light.
it may be quick and handle well, but light it is not.
edit: dumb sentence
[Updated on: Mon, 08 March 2004 23:55]
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Re: v6 soarer
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Mon, 08 March 2004 23:57
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Ahh, but is the illusion of driving a car that is light not the same as driving a light car, if it is doing the same things?
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 00:43
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I am not sure if defenitions include "illusions" when using a word to describe something. I can just see it, "Parched traveller stumbles over the last sand dune to behold an oasis of water. A lake so big he could drink for weeks."
now you and I know that the "lake" is just an illusion created by heat waves near the gound surface and in reality there is no lake.
The supra may have the "illusion" of nimbless but it is in fact just an elephant on steroids.
oohhhhhhh  I'm in trouble now
*runs and hides*
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 01:18
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ok ok you know deep down I love the supra and drive my brothers every chance I get, but I just think the word, "nimble" is a bit of a stretch given the dictionary defenition, but really I guess, who cares! it is fast, and fun. what more could you want? but I stand by my words lol
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 01:20
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Light weight is not the same as nimble. I can tell you a JZA80 is more agile through the twisties than an MA61 despite being some 200kg heavier. Once again, you should drive a JZA80 before you cast judgement.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 03:30
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 01:22 |
Clearly you've never been in a JZA80. Overall weight is only part of the story.
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I have been in a JZA80... It just wasn't moving at the time.
From every review I have read about the JZA80 Supra, they all say that it doesn't like corners nearly as much as say a R34 GT-R or RX7 does. And a GT-4 is around 1450kg WITH all wheel drive, not 1566kg like the JZA80 is.
I'm sure the JZA80 is more agile/nimble than a Soarer, but that's not saying much.
I didn't mean it as a dig at the Supra. I realy want a JZA80. I wish I had one... 
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 04:17
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 09:25 |
| Apollo wrote on Mon, 08 March 2004 22:00 |
| Norbie wrote on Mon, 08 March 2004 23:48 |
Soarers are a luxo-cruiser, they come loaded down with all manner of gadgets and doo-dads. They're not meant to be a nimble sports car, that's what the Supra is for!
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Exactly.
That's why I want a uzz31. Standard luxury with a V8. But they arn't TOO much of a slug either.
If I wanted a pure go fast machine I'd have my sights on a JZA80 instead.
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Althoug ironically, the heavier UZZ32 is the best handling of the lot.
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Yes, active suspension can do wonders like that. And especially if you replace the old bushes with some new ones too, apparently makes it handle better than brand new.
But I know what I said, and it wasn't denying handling.
But also aside from all the gadgets, luxury trim, sound deadening, etc, etc, etc, and active suspension the uzz32 also has the extra weight of another steering rack for it's 4WS system. Which is also why I'd prefer a uzz31 instead.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 06:02
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the reason the v8 uzz32 is so nimble is cause the hydrualic ram suspension doesent sit like normal springs around the corner.. unlike most corners where most cars lift on the inside of the corner, the uzz32 lowers the suspension so it squats on that side.
jza80 isnt nimble as such.. it wont ever take twisties like an evo or wrx or even a gtr(which is not on part with evo or sti)... supra's are made for wide open tracks where it can strut its amazing power, made from sweepers and the like. they handle well.... for what they were made to do.. but i wouldnt say nimble
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 07:02
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| Jag7799 wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 14:02 |
the reason the v8 uzz32 is so nimble is cause the hydrualic ram suspension doesent sit like normal springs around the corner.. unlike most corners where most cars lift on the inside of the corner, the uzz32 lowers the suspension so it squats on that side.
jza80 isnt nimble as such.. it wont ever take twisties like an evo or wrx or even a gtr(which is not on part with evo or sti)... supra's are made for wide open tracks where it can strut its amazing power, made from sweepers and the like. they handle well.... for what they were made to do.. but i wouldnt say nimble
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Actually, I think you'll find a Supra will keep a GTR honest around even a twisty track.
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 07:07
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ok this thread is starting to get on my nerves
who here has actually spiritedly driven a JZA80 as well as all the other cars your all giving opinions on?
dont comment on these cars if u have never driven them!
do u seriously think magazine regurgitation is gonna give u street cred? 
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 07:10
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What wrong with making observations from a team of race car drivers fanging production cars around a track from Best Motoring?
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 07:53
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I'll say that the jza80 out-handles a ma61 with new shocks/springs. They may not like the really slow corners - rwd makes the power difficult to get down. but they are amazing responsive, and certainly dont feel like they weigh any more than say 1400kgs.
And yes, I've driven both
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Re: v6 soarer
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Tue, 09 March 2004 09:59
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i havent driven a jza80 or an evo or gtr
only been passenger in a jza80 and evo 5...
i still doubt the jza80 would keep up with a gtr with just full on twists and no major opennings or sweepers(where it can apply strangle hold)
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