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nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 03:06
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just want to get everyones opinions. i have been an nvidia man, but have been doing some research (buying a notebook) and out of the simliar specs for an ati mobility and an nvidia mobility, the ati seems to win out.
the notebook graphic capabilities of the notebook will be uesd for
1. games (of course)
2. 3d modeling
3. 3d rendering
4. posibly video editing
cheers
evan
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Location: Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 03:16
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I used to be an nVidia fan, but the ATis have won me over. Plus they support Linux better, so that's a BIG plus in my eyes.
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Location: ballarat
Registered: April 2003
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 04:03
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ah yes forgot to mention that it will be a dual-boot, so i guess that is another plus for the ati
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Location: Sydney, Australia
Registered: December 2003
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 04:34
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ATI all the way!
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: June 2003
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 05:13
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i have a fat ATI, same i used to be an nvidia boy, and before that voodoo ect ect backwards, but i think ati are the best (well last time i checked anyway)
who here builds there own computers?
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Registered: February 2004
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 05:55
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lang wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 16:13 |
who here builds there own computers?
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i do, and i vote 1 for nvida only cause im running a geforce
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Location: Cabramatta, NSW
Registered: May 2002
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 05:59
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Hey, I've got two good video cards, and they're both nVidia and I voted ATi!
I also build my own 'coz it's cheaper and you get exactly what you want. Plus if I were to buy a computer that'd suit my specs, I'd have to pay for a server. There aren't many desktops based on SCSI Ultra160 peripherals to start with...
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Location: ballarat
Registered: April 2003
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 07:04
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mmmm personal blade server
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: June 2003
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 07:36
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i built all of our last 3 comptuers cos it works out lots cheaper if u do it,
it gets easier each time
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Location: Posts: 992738234
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 08:13
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Have you seen the dual processor motherboards??
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: June 2003
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 08:39
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i have, but i read the actual beneift wasnt that great, plus you have to buy 2 cpu's
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Location: Posts: 992738234
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 08:58
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i thought the out come was extremly good, and everything was super fast like to two 4ghz cpus would make 8 6ghz computer
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Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia
Registered: May 2002
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 09:51
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ke70_3SGTE wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 18:58 | i thought the out come was extremly good, and everything was super fast like to two 4ghz cpus would make 8 6ghz computer
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Unless you have software that can actually use both cpu's at once, then it's really only like using a 4ghz machine. Both cpu's arn't "fused" together to make an 8ghz "cpu". It's a little more technical than that.
That being said, I have a dual ppro and a dual socket7 I plan on setting the dual ppro back up as a neogeo arcade machine.
And nark, you got expensive tastes there buddy. Have you tried SATA yet? I'm running 2x maxtor 120GB SATA drives in RAID0 here. They run nice for my requirements.
Mmmm... I better post something on topic....
Nvidia here. I used to have a 32meg radeon before I got my gf4ti 4200. As for my next card, I dunno, probably nvidia again. But I know my next video card will be a pci-x based card as I still see no need/use to "upgrade" my current card. I have every confidence that it will run doom3 and hl2 when they come out. Heck, I have every confidence my gf2 in my lan machine will too.
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 09:58
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oh ohhhhhhhhh k, so it only uses the other processor when needed?
neogeo arcade????
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Location: Victoria
Registered: February 2004
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 10:18
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My notebook has an Intel Intergrated grapics processor in it, Not sure what it is exactly. But i do video editing, play games and do most things things with, pretty impressed with it so far. It's a Fujitsu Lifebook S, with a 1.4g Centrino processor and 256mb Ram(needs more i know)
I have a GeForce 4 in my desktop machine, but in 2 minds when to spend the splash and upgrade. Specially with PCI Express on the verge of release. Its likely that will send current technology crashing through the floor.
As for the point of the topic. I am unsure of which is better, i have heard conflicting stories between both. My friends have both types of cards and I think the real life performance differences are minimal, but i believe that the ATI cards have better looking graphics. As for the mobility type graphics chips, i haven't seen them yet.
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Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 10:48
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ke70_3SGTE wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 19:58 | oh ohhhhhhhhh k, so it only uses the other processor when needed?
neogeo arcade????
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Very basically, yes.
Neogeo. You know. You have been to an arcade havn't you? Metal slug ring a bell?
I have a bunch of the game "roms" that I run under an emulator on the computer.
Quote: | My notebook has an Intel Intergrated grapics processor in it, Not sure what it is exactly. But i do video editing, play games and do most things things with, pretty impressed with it so far. It's a Fujitsu Lifebook S, with a 1.4g Centrino processor and 256mb Ram(needs more i know)
I have a GeForce 4 in my desktop machine, but in 2 minds when to spend the splash and upgrade. Specially with PCI Express on the verge of release. Its likely that will send current technology crashing through the floor.
As for the point of the topic. I am unsure of which is better, i have heard conflicting stories between both. My friends have both types of cards and I think the real life performance differences are minimal, but i believe that the ATI cards have better looking graphics. As for the mobility type graphics chips, i haven't seen them yet.
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Centrino. Nice.
But yea, when it comes to actually playing games, I agree that there isn't really any difference between them either these days. But for the mobility ones I think that basically either a gf5600 or a radeon 9600 both with at least 64meg ram would suffice. Plus I've even seen notebooks with the ability to upgrade the graphics "card" in them too.
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Location: Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 11:25
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Two 4GHz CPUs won't equal an 8GHz CPU. There are many factors that come into it like memory bandwidth.
And, yes, I have expensive tastes.
My b0x3n cost me shitloads.
But it's got really fast I/O!
I have a SATA drive, but there's no way it can match the 10,000rpm Ultra160s... Not even close, especially when it comes to CPU usage.
I can burn a CD with 0 CPU load.
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 11:47
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ehendrikd wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 14:06 | buying a notebook
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ehendrikd wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 14:06 |
1. games (of course)
2. 3d modeling
3. 3d rendering
4. posibly video editing
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do you really need a notebook? it will be second rate to almost anything desktop and cost more..
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Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 12:24
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Nark wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 21:25 | Two 4GHz CPUs won't equal an 8GHz CPU. There are many factors that come into it like memory bandwidth.
And, yes, I have expensive tastes.
My b0x3n cost me shitloads.
But it's got really fast I/O!
I have a SATA drive, but there's no way it can match the 10,000rpm Ultra160s... Not even close, especially when it comes to CPU usage.
I can burn a CD with 0 CPU load.
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Yep, that and the CPU bus, but that's also depending on architecture, but anyway...
... Yea, no denying the SCSI has the I/O, but it does have the cost as you know. I still don't think the SATA is too bad considering what I paid for it. But what about the 10k raptors? Those are supposed to be nice.
Have you also seen lately they are moving to SFF servers? I forget which manufacturer it was now off the top of my head, but they are making servers with huge capacity 15k rpm 2.5" drives. Yea, laptop drives. I always knew that would be the next "evolution", (that we'd all be moving to 2.5" drives), but it's pretty cool when it does happen.
Quote: | do you really need a notebook? it will be second rate to almost anything desktop and cost more..
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A year ago I would have agreed, but now I don't.
Prices have come down, and frankly, for $2500-3000, I could buy a fully loaded (3.2ghz p4, 512meg ram, dvd burner, 7500rpm drive, 64/128meg video, etc etc) laptop. And it's better than my desktop, except for storage, but you get the point.
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 13:27
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Apollo wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 23:24 |
A year ago I would have agreed, but now I don't.
Prices have come down, and frankly, for $2500-3000, I could buy a fully loaded (3.2ghz p4, 512meg ram, dvd burner, 7500rpm drive, 64/128meg video, etc etc) laptop. And it's better than my desktop, except for storage, but you get the point.
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Ok, for starters you'd get that much cheaper in a desktop for $3G's
Secondly, Upgradability.. if he wants to render and the like and laptop is not the way to go.
I understand laptops have their place, but they ARE NOT A DESKTOP REPLACEMENT.. im not aiming this at you, but im sick of all the people that ask me to fix/upgrade their computer so they can play games better, then they tell me its a p3 laptop that sits on their desk at home, then they get the shits when i tell them theres not much i can do other than add more ram (if its available) or reinstall windows (half of the problems most people have are from spyware).
F**KING FASHION VICTIMS.. Its not cool to have a laptop.. Windowed towers with flashing lights are cool
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I supported Toymods
Location: Perth
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 15:28
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I've got a few ATI's and am not looking back...
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Location: Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 22:22
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Apollo wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 23:24 | ... Yea, no denying the SCSI has the I/O, but it does have the cost as you know. I still don't think the SATA is too bad considering what I paid for it. But what about the 10k raptors? Those are supposed to be nice.
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Yeah, the price definately doesn't match the performance difference, but when you grew up with SCSIs, you just can't go back. I tried it once and just hated it. So for my own sanity, my main box is SCSI-only.
Actually, I have 5 boxes working and only two of them are IDE...
Apollo wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 23:24 | Have you also seen lately they are moving to SFF servers? I forget which manufacturer it was now off the top of my head, but they are making servers with huge capacity 15k rpm 2.5" drives. Yea, laptop drives. I always knew that would be the next "evolution", (that we'd all be moving to 2.5" drives), but it's pretty cool when it does happen.
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Yeah, I read about this last month. Can't remember who it was. Seagate or Hitachi? You could pack a LOT of storage using those things... But then again, imagine a server running MicroDrives... They come in 4GB now...
Apollo wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 23:24 | Prices have come down, and frankly, for $2500-3000, I could buy a fully loaded (3.2ghz p4, 512meg ram, dvd burner, 7500rpm drive, 64/128meg video, etc etc) laptop. And it's better than my desktop, except for storage, but you get the point.
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An equivalent desktop would only cost you $1500.
Laptops have their place. If you move around and need your computer with you, then they're good. I have one and I find it invaluable between home and work.
But if I didn't have that need, then there's no way I'd get a lappy. They're way too freaking expensive.
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Location: ballarat
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Tue, 09 March 2004 22:38
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the fact that i want a notebook for this doing this stuff is simple, i need to be able to take to different places easily.
i can already do all this stuff on my desktop (which incidently is an nvidia and the reason for this poll) but want to be able to stay at my gf's house who has pc that is only powerful enough for her tafe work, and continue to work on my 3d stuff.
incidently, i would actually benift from a dual processor system, the render process of 3dsmax (mental ray in particular) is one of the applications that takes advantage of the multiprocessors. the notebook i am looking at is a 3.2ghz p4 hyper threading & 800mhz fsb, so it will emulate dual processors at a hardware level, but still not as good as actually having 2 processors.
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Wed, 10 March 2004 03:18
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speakafreaka wrote on Wed, 10 March 2004 00:27 |
Apollo wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 23:24 |
A year ago I would have agreed, but now I don't.
Prices have come down, and frankly, for $2500-3000, I could buy a fully loaded (3.2ghz p4, 512meg ram, dvd burner, 7500rpm drive, 64/128meg video, etc etc) laptop. And it's better than my desktop, except for storage, but you get the point.
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Ok, for starters you'd get that much cheaper in a desktop for $3G's
Secondly, Upgradability.. if he wants to render and the like and laptop is not the way to go.
I understand laptops have their place, but they ARE NOT A DESKTOP REPLACEMENT.. im not aiming this at you, but im sick of all the people that ask me to fix/upgrade their computer so they can play games better, then they tell me its a p3 laptop that sits on their desk at home, then they get the shits when i tell them theres not much i can do other than add more ram (if its available) or reinstall windows (half of the problems most people have are from spyware).
F**KING FASHION VICTIMS.. Its not cool to have a laptop.. Windowed towers with flashing lights are cool
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I feel your pain...
ATI VS nVidia
I used to be a dedicated nVidia supporter, still own a good ol trusty ti4200, but built up a system for my GF's brother with a Sapphire 9800XT. What can I say, IT FLIES! 18,000 3d marks (3D MARK 2001SE)
Specs:
Gigabyte GA-8PENXP V2
P4 3.2GHz HT
1Gb Dual Ch DDR
120SATA
etc...
Shop around, and such a system can be had for around the $2500 mark.
A little bit better than a silly bloody notebook!
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Location: ballarat
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Wed, 10 March 2004 03:23
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ehendrikd wrote on Wed, 10 March 2004 09:38 | the fact that i want a notebook for this doing this stuff is simple, i need to be able to take to different places easily.
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Wed, 10 March 2004 03:26
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Build yourself up one of those little cube pc's and buy a TFT screen if you want a good system that will be easily upgradable and good for games/3d rendering etc.
Just depends how 'mobile' you need the thing to be...
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Location: Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Wed, 10 March 2004 03:30
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I've seen a funky case that has a handle built into it... Perfect for the LAN gamer.
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Wed, 10 March 2004 06:58
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does it have a agp slot?
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Wed, 10 March 2004 07:00
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ati
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Wed, 10 March 2004 09:54
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I am glad I stumbled accoss this. My P4 1.4 is crying for a new Videocard so, ATI it will be , though it would be replacing a nVidia MX400...
I have a (no name brand) laptop as and it has an SIS videocard and chipset... Never again, my next laptop will have at least have a branded videocard
Cheers.
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Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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Re: nerdo poll: ATi vs nVida
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Wed, 10 March 2004 11:11
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speakafreaka wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 23:27 |
Apollo wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 23:24 |
A year ago I would have agreed, but now I don't.
Prices have come down, and frankly, for $2500-3000, I could buy a fully loaded (3.2ghz p4, 512meg ram, dvd burner, 7500rpm drive, 64/128meg video, etc etc) laptop. And it's better than my desktop, except for storage, but you get the point.
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Ok, for starters you'd get that much cheaper in a desktop for $3G's
Secondly, Upgradability.. if he wants to render and the like and laptop is not the way to go.
I understand laptops have their place, but they ARE NOT A DESKTOP REPLACEMENT.. im not aiming this at you, but im sick of all the people that ask me to fix/upgrade their computer so they can play games better, then they tell me its a p3 laptop that sits on their desk at home, then they get the shits when i tell them theres not much i can do other than add more ram (if its available) or reinstall windows (half of the problems most people have are from spyware).
F**KING FASHION VICTIMS.. Its not cool to have a laptop.. Windowed towers with flashing lights are cool
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Don't worry, when it comes to computers I'm not stupid.
I know that a desktop is cheaper, my point is that a decent laptop that can crap all over plenty of desktops out there isn't that expensive anymore. Plus it's a little hard to take said desktop to uni everyday too.
And yes, I know about the end user stupidity, but the remark about windowed towers with flashing lights just put you the same group as car ricers. Unless you were being sarcastic there, then I could forgive.
But I love my toshiba tecra 8000. Sure it's not a powerhouse, but it runs XP fine and does it's intended purpose of being a mobile word processor fine. Plus even though it's only got a neomagic 2.5meg video card in it, it's perfect for playing all the old school games I like and can even do diabloII good too.
Everything has it's place. (Please don't leave that out if anyone wants to try and "entrap" me on some mis-quote).
Rvrolla, that's the FIC Icecube barebones PC box you have there.
Nark,
http://www.antec-inc.com/us/pro_details_enclosure. php?ProdID=15000
If you can ignore the PC rice crap it's standard with, it's designed to be a LAN box. Aluminium = light and carry strap = umm, yea, carry strap.
Oh yea, video cards, check this out people:
http://steampowered.com/status/survey.html
It's the halflife 2 hardware survey. I was very surprised at the first and 3rd entries.
Quote: | Yeah, the price definately doesn't match the performance difference, but when you grew up with SCSIs, you just can't go back. I tried it once and just hated it. So for my own sanity, my main box is SCSI-only.
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Yea, my amiga 500 is SCSI only too. But yea, I've had SCSI in my main rig before. Mainly when I had my first burner, (cost me $1100 for that SCSI yamaha 4-2-6 burner and I still have it too).
These days it's cost and the amount of storage I get that I've personally stuck with ATA and SATA drives.
Quote: | Yeah, I read about this last month. Can't remember who it was. Seagate or Hitachi? You could pack a LOT of storage using those things...
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Yea that sounds right. Seagate/hitachi.
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Re: NOT a nerdo poll: ATi vs nVidia
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Wed, 10 March 2004 12:24
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[quote title=Apollo wrote on Wed, 10 March 2004 22:11Rvrolla, that's the FIC Icecube barebones PC box you have there. [/quote]
Ahh no it wasn't
I'm sure many company's have whacked their own badges on these sort of barebone mini systems. There are HEAPS of them around now, and I have seen the same design etc from different suppliers from different companies.
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Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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Re: NOT a nerdo poll: ATi vs nVidia
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Thu, 11 March 2004 10:16
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[quote title=rvrolla wrote on Wed, 10 March 2004 22:24]Apollo wrote on Wed, 10 March 2004 22:11Rvrolla, that's the FIC Icecube barebones PC box you have there. [/quote |
Ahh no it wasn't
I'm sure many company's have whacked their own badges on these sort of barebone mini systems. There are HEAPS of them around now, and I have seen the same design etc from different suppliers from different companies.
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Looked like it:
http://www.barebonesetc.com/candypress/scripts/pro dView.asp?idproduct=213
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