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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Tue, 09 March 2004 22:17
 
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| ae86drift wrote on Mon, 20 October 2003 17:03 |
you are not the car you drive
you are not your wallet
you are not your gourmet business brunch
you are not your fucking uni degree
you are not your fucking paypacket
*ahem*
i earn 37000 a year and i have completed TAFE only
i work in info tech and currently work at a major ISP
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You da man, man. I agree wholeheartedly.
My salary is on par with yours, and I have no degree, no tafe diploma.
I was offered a place at uni but opted not to attend, mainly due to affordability, and I felt that a degree didn't guarantee me a well paid job. My friends that went to uni are now rotting on the dole. I think I made the right decision.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Tue, 09 March 2004 23:12
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2 years in and one to go I feel as though I've potentially wasted the last 2 years of my life and am certain, in some way, that I'm going to only benefit from one subject this year.
I was forced into uni, through expectations. Parents dictated my subjects for my senior years at high school and they dictated my degree. Itw as lucky, however, that I had some interest in the degree, even if it was only minor.
Coming out of my degree I'll have a piece of paper, and 3 year old knowledge that will have been surpassed in 2-3 years, if not already. Granted some of the managerial theories and project management will always stay constant, but its trying when you know that in the end you'll probably only be worth a little more than the paper your degree is printed on.
I envy tafers for their constant application and experience, and its a sorry world when people expect uni grads to be of greater intelligence than some of the tafers...I may not be smart in all instances, but there's definately some people at uni that are less intelligent than myself.
That being said. University of Newcastle is well regarded around Australia and also Internationally, so I've got possibility, but not many potential prospects. Although, I don't care how long I'll have to look for it...I'm not working for anything less than 45K 
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Tue, 09 March 2004 23:26
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I have been keeping an eye on the job market, and the sad thing is that I am more frequently seeing adverts for uni-leavers starting at around 25 - 28K. I can't imagine how bitter I would be, having spent time and money at uni to take home maybe $350 - $400 a week. 
This is prolly largely dependant on industry, hopefully this isn't the case across the board, but it sure seems like salaries are dropping..
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Tue, 09 March 2004 23:43
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See thats mainly within Australia.
UK still have a high demand for Australian IT grads, but the cost of living over there is rumoured to be somewhat high. For someone who has never left Australia. I don't care for costs. I just wanna get the hell outta here. My potential dudes that would come with me have pretty free-range types of jobs, and one already has an office in London (works for Goldman Sachs JBWere - mulitnational financing corporation) so yeh...If I have to travel to get what I want...so be it...
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 10 March 2004 05:04
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Stewart. You're a good example of why I didn't do a science degree (I dreamed of being a biologist since I was young).
I didn't want to spend 3-4 years in Uni and come out to drive taxi cabs.
I am the only one amongst all my friends (and even most of their younger siblings) who doesn't have a degree, but I can guaruntee you that I have spent periods of my life where I earnt a whole lot more than any of them, even to this day!
Qualifications have their role, but not having one doesn't stop you from earning.
Being at the right place at the right time is just as good as doing a degree. 
But at the end of the day, it comes down to the role you are in, your ambitions and how much hard work you are willing to put in.
Then to get past that earnings level, turn to The Dark Side (management) and learn to arse kiss...
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 10 March 2004 23:12
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I dunno...
An ex of mine did a double degree, Bachelor of Science (Biotechnology) and fast-tracked a Bachelor of Business with a Diploma in Marketing Research and walked out into a job with one of Australia's leading Pharmaceutical companies earning in excess of 80K
Another example...someone else I know has never been to uni or tafe, he started with a largish security company when he was what...17 and now works for a multinational financing firm as part of corporate security and security risk management and earns in excess of 200K
What qualifications you need and what you're going to be paid are relevant to your field of expertise, but there's no real genuine way of dictating which education is better. I do realise that university degrees are seen by employers as somewhat more desirable over tafe qualifications, but who's to say the end product of each separate education will be better than the other?
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 10 March 2004 23:15
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and it's not just all about money too.
uni is FUN! 
well, I like it - and I am not referring to only the *cough* study
Does that make me wierd?
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 10 March 2004 23:17
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LADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDIES
No rob it doesnt
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Fri, 12 March 2004 11:45
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I think its horses for courses.
But there are crossovers.
I've got a Bachelor of Civil Engineering from Uni, I now earn $45k+, have a company car & phone.
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I work with a guy who only a month older than me who got a Diploma in Civil Engineering from TAFE. He earns $50k+, also has a company car & phone.
The difference is I have the potential to earn more money as I have a greater knowledge base.
Plus we are in different fields, he's a designer, I'm a builder.
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Seems that uni trains thinkers, TAFE trains dooers
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Sorry, Load of Crap.
I got a project from the above guy which had design plans, sections etc.
I ended up redesigning it on site in my head cause nothing worked, and I used less materials & saved money.
CressidaSupra, not a truer word said
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engineers have been brought up from a kid to act and think like an engineer, and have always done things hands on
they usually get through uni with very avg results, but when it comes to doing a job, they have a very good concept of what works in the real world.
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clubagreenie wrote on Wed, 05 November 2003 16:47
PLEASE send me one of these! I will pay good money. I thought they were only in movies and my daughters story books.
i AM one of these, but i dont think u could afford me
it would cost u a lot to move me out of perth
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I'm one too. I almost had an enforced semester off because I was failing so many subjects, but now can almost do my job with my eyes closed (I'm a site type engineer)
Plus I'm in Sydney.
If you ever see a whole street ripped up, that's what I do for a living.
And if anyone want's to know how get some roadworks done by your local council, send me a pm, I know all the tricks (as I'm usually the one shooting them down  )
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Fri, 12 March 2004 13:17
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| Nark wrote on Wed, 10 March 2004 16:04 |
But at the end of the day, it comes down to the role you are in, your ambitions and how much hard work you are willing to put in. Then to get past that earnings level, turn to The Dark Side (management) and learn to arse kiss...
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Well this is what i've learnt from the past couple of years, it doesn't matter how hard you work, it's who you know & how well you kiss arse which gets you ahead.
Felt my boss was kinda, well, stupid. I think she thought I was a threat to her job, in fact she often promoted my ideas as her own to get kudos from upper management.
I knew more than most in my workplace, including those above me with uni degrees. In fact they often came to me for advice regarding systems issues, processes, complicated tax matters etc. Was this knowledge taught to me? NO! I taught myself the basics of the business from the ground up...
But to see people promoted ahead of me for no other reason than the fact they attended every social function, participated in all the office gossip etc while I just wanted to work didn't seem right to me.
/rant...
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Sat, 13 March 2004 01:28
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For all those that are arguing which is better, I've got a diploma in Asia-Pacific Marketing from TAFE and I'm currently doing a combined Bachelor of Arts/Business degree at uni, that's just to extend my educational background, it doesn't mean I'm gonna get a top job when I enter the worforce starting off my career, but it should give me a good basis to work with (experience from TAFE working with firms, the diploma and the degree).
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and it's not just all about money too.
uni is FUN!
well, I like it - and I am not referring to only the *cough* study
Does that make me wierd?
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This is how I treated TAFE hahahahah... and uni's hella fun too... all about the social life... now I gotta get down to study heheheh.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Tue, 16 March 2004 09:33
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Im currently doing an Electricians apprenticeship with Energy Australia and it has got to be the way to go, if you want to learn the Electrical trade, its also good if you want to go to uni but don't have the UAI for it.
Im getting paid to study at TAFE, plus i get all my fees paid for. In 2 years i will have finished my Cert III and can do an Advanced Diploma. So when i finish my apprentice ship i will have than and become an Engineering officer, which the base salary is $54,000 and then could go to uni and get my degree also paid for, im not sure if thats what i want to do but just an example.
So apprenticeships are very good, even if you are thinking of uni i would recomend apprenticeships, most are yr12 level now anyway.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 17 March 2004 12:56
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university is not about learning anything relevant to your job, it is about proving that you have the ability to learn and stick with it, plus get the underlying fundamentals all sorted. on leaving uni most workplaces don't expect you to know that much, that's what industry experience is about. i finish my degree in a couple months tho and i'm dreading lookin for a job. a mate finished the same degree last july and is still looking
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 17 March 2004 13:29
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i will NEVER regret my university education. and would recomend it without hesitation to anyone considering it. is everything in life aimed at securing a job? nope, and neither is uni.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 17 March 2004 14:01
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| wagonist wrote on Fri, 12 March 2004 19:45 |
IIf you ever see a whole street ripped up, that's what I do for a living.
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Well this is what I deal with for a living
http://www.oz-enet.com.au/~peewee/isolator_opening .mpeg
Oh, and the current way I see things is this (yes, it can be wrong in some cases, but for the most part, its fairly accurate)
If you have a Uni degree of value, then you will earn 40k+ and work 40hrs a week (if not 37.5), have a 'relaxing' job, and a comfortable lifestyle.
To do that with a tafe degree, you will earn 30-35k
To earn more than this in either education, you will sacrifice something.
Whether it is your 40hr week (this can go up to 50-70 hrs a week)
Or you will sacrifice your comfortable airconditioned office (for a mine site or what-have-you)
Or your 15-30min trip to work/home (in favour of FIFO or the like)
It basically boils down to being paid for what you do, and what you have to put up with.
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 17 March 2004 14:22
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| CrUZsida wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 01:01 |
Oh, and the current way I see things is this (yes, it can be wrong in some cases, but for the most part, its fairly accurate)
If you have a Uni degree of value, then you will earn 40k+ and work 40hrs a week (if not 37.5), have a 'relaxing' job, and a comfortable lifestyle. To do that with a tafe degree, you will earn 30-35k
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Ahem... i had a 50k+ package with my TAFE diploma (working 37.5, more like 50+hrs per week), but I chucked it in because of the reasons noted above...
I will be going to uni mid semester, not because I think I need further qualifications but because of the 'expectations' of those around me... Seems like utter bulls**t to me, but oh well, who's gonna employ ya? Better off dead!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: University quals vs TAFE quals
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Wed, 17 March 2004 14:33
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| Conquest wrote on Wed, 17 March 2004 22:22 |
Ahem... i had a 50k+ package with my TAFE diploma (working 37.5, more like 50+hrs per week), but I chucked it in because of the reasons noted above...
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What was with "Ahem"?
You backed up my theory with what you wrote.
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Fact is i'm still employed till mid April, getting full wages & benefits but i'm not allowed onsite!!!