| Author | Topic |
|---|
Location:
Arthurs Creek, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 07:58
|
 |
I have my 1g-gte running for some time now and the sump was removed by the guys that modified it, and they cut a bit out and welded it in order to get it to clear the steering rack, which it did nicely
However
It appears that it's leaking oil all the way around the sump.
I pulled the sump off today, to try and rectify it.
It was glued on SOOOO hard, that it's damn hard to imagine the thing EVER not having sealed.
In addition to that, it's go that metal baffle/gasket thing still on it, which i was also glued on pretty damn hard.
Question is this:
How have people put their 1g-gte sumps back on after removal, what have they put back in to seal it, and did they put in the metal gasket/baffle that's in there by standard?
Any assistance would be appreciated.
|
|
|
Location:
Cabramatta, NSW
Registered:
May 2002
|
 Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:04
|
|
Yup, took me a couple of $*%&ing days to clean up the crap off all the surfaces.
From what I remember, I just used silastic to stick it back on.
|
|
|
Location:
Arthurs Creek, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:15
|
|
but did you put it back on with the metal gasket/baffle thing in there?
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:20
|
|
|
The baffle is definetly necessary. I used a wire brush to clean mine all off and made sure all the surfaces were clean. I used...Permatex I think it was, in a black tube. It was recommended on the label for sumps. The other option is going to Toyota and getting the Toyota stuff. It's not hugely expensive.
|
|
|
Location:
Arthurs Creek, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:35
|
|
How tight did you go up the sump bolts, and how bent was the baffle when you put it back on? did you just straighten it as best you could and then bolt it back on to flatten it out?
and Permatex you reacon hey?
How high were the boost pressures you were runnign?
|
|
|
Location:
Cabramatta, NSW
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:37
|
|
Yeah, I used the gasket.
My sump was straight when I pulled it off... Why would it be bent?!?!
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:39
|
|
I did them firm, but not so tight as to a) snap the bolts, b) squeeze all the silicon out.
I chose that as it was the replacement stuff recommended by GM and a couple of mates had given it a good rep so I figured it was a goer.
Boost pressure? My car still hasn't been run  Regardless though, what has that got to do with it? 
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:39
|
|
|
Are you using a front sump Nark?
|
|
|
Location:
Arthurs Creek, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:46
|
|
Nark: No, not the bent sump, bent baffle.
JCMF: Well, the higher the boost pressure, the more blow by, but then again, that woudl run straight out the breathers, so it shouldn't matter.
hwoever, I have run up to probably near 30psi.
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:49
|
|
In any case, the sump should NEVER get pressurised enough to cause any problems. You'd expect your rings to be f'ed at that point.
As for the baffle, out front sumps have internal baffles not a two-piece one like yours.
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Northern Beaches
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:50
|
|
|
Yea they are a fair bitch to get off!!! I just used some black silastic too, that was recomended for sumps, hasn't leaked yet...
|
|
|
Location:
Arthurs Creek, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:56
|
|
Yeah, the sum shouldn't be pressurized, so it's not an issue.
I'm a little worried that the sump maybe wasn't leaking, and it was something else?
Can the front main seal leak a little bit without fully letting go, and cause an increasingly larger leak? or do they just hold or not hold?
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 08:58
|
|
|
Nup, they'll leak.
|
|
|
Location:
Arthurs Creek, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 09:08
|
|
YOu mean the FMS will only either leak HEAPS or not at all?
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 09:09
|
|
|
Sorry, from experience, it'll leak for a while before it disintegrates, it *shouldn't* just let go.
|
|
|
Location:
Arthurs Creek, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 09:20
|
|
cool, thanks mate.
might be the problem.
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
south of the big smoke
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 10:29
|
|
i cannot emphasize enuff!! be very gentle on the sump bolts they are so easy to snap! dont do up that tight at all
ive pulled mine off twice and its still leeking 
one day ill try again
|
|
|
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 11:40
|
|
so a front sump doesnt have the windage tray... that extra sheet of baffles?
JCMF?
|
|
|
Location:
NZ
Registered:
May 2003
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 12:11
|
|
|
I just gave mine a general clean and used Silastic. Come to think of it, I think I don't even have that baffle on. Make sure you don't screw them bolts in too much coz I've sheared two of mine and there's a slow leak.
|
|
|
Location:
Cabramatta, NSW
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 12:48
|
|
| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 19:39 |
Are you using a front sump Nark?
|
Yup.
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 14:19
|
|
| Bugman wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 19:40 |
so a front sump doesnt have the windage tray... that extra sheet of baffles?
JCMF?
|
They do have that sheet of baffles, but they are not a separate piece like the mid/mid-rear ones, they are part of the sump itself.
|
|
|
Location:
Rocky Mountains, Canada
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Thu, 18 March 2004 16:10
|
|
You guys might want to check your PCV valves and breathers.
If you set them up right, you should have a slight vaccum in the sump/head that will stop oil leaks.
Plus, its also helps to stop blow-by.
|
|
|
Location:
Arthurs Creek, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Fri, 19 March 2004 08:02
|
|
M.W.P: Sounds like a valid response, however I don't have a PCV, (or at least I don't think I do), due to the fact that I'm running straight gas, no EFI stuff around my engine. As far as breathers are concerned, I just run both of mine out the back of the motor, with no catch can or anything, (don't tell MR. EPA), to get rid of excess oil vapor. Would this possibly be a) causing leaks and b) getting rid of the vaccum that you are suggesting exists? I'm buggered if I know where my leak is coming from, it gradually got worse and worse, and it appeared to becoming from the sump, however the sump was so tightlyyyyyyy sealed up that I couldn't get the 'bastard' off with anything i tried. Made it somewhat difficult to understand how the sump could be leaking, hence why I was thinking that it could be the front main seal.
However, I'm taking the front main seal off to ensure that I get a new one in there, but maybe that isnt' the problem. I know for a fact that I've got a leak at the back of the intake side rocker cover gasket, and that's contributing to the leak at the back side of the motor, however I'm not entirely sure that the leak at the front isn't due solely to the FMS, it might be the sump, but then again, it might not be.
Any ideas? After my marathon essay? (There's more where that came from..)
|
|
|
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Wed, 31 March 2004 00:49
|
|
JCMF.
you dont happen to have a picture of the inside of the front sump..
just wanna make sure my one is going to be ok or if I need to refit the windage tray from the mid sump and modify that. as my front sump only has one wing. whereas the norm seems to be 2 wings.
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Wed, 31 March 2004 00:51
|
|
|
I'll go have a look through my pics.
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Wed, 31 March 2004 00:54
|
|
|
Sorry man, only got the inside of the mid-rear and the underside of the front one.
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
south of the big smoke
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: 1G-Gte sump removal
|
Wed, 31 March 2004 05:52
|
|
luke your sump had baffling built into it when we put it on!!
|
|
|
