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legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 09:52
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I was lookin on pf where they had a thread like this.. but no-one knew the law fully.. is the coke can test lowest part of the body of the car?.. or lowest point excluding wheels(i.e exhaust)?
cause i went down to mine today and its this low(its on grass, yes.. but its same on concrete).
So is mine illegal?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 09:54
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No part of the car can be any lower than 100mm.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 10:00
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Yup. Cool1 is right. 10cm. That's for NSW at least.
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 10:02
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Its right for Queensland too. Its written on the QLD Transport page as well 
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 10:08
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golden circle in can?
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 10:08
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| rthy wrote on Wed, 17 March 2004 21:08 |
golden circle in can?
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i asked my sister to get me a can of coke from under the house
thats what she came out with.. who knows...
so my car is well illegal?.. ive been pulled over and cops havent said anything about it...
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 10:16
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Just to let you know, A coke can or the like is taller than 100mm!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 10:30
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plus unless your exhaust draws their attention, cops will usuall base it on the height of your skirts/front kit off the ground
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 10:30
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Unless they use the 100mm Dia cyclinder they carry around.
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 10:34
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im amazed how little i get pulled over now my car is modified
like before i had anything done(maybe exhaust... cant remember).. i used to get pulled over every few days.. even a few times a day.. now they rarely bother...
my other soarer has a 3 inch exhaust.. so ill probably use that with the 1jz.. not sure how low it is though
havent seen the car in 2 weeks
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 11:09
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so you know how the supra got failed for being too low
Exhibit a:
IF that lowest part (which is this front lip) is actually MORE than 10cm are we sweet and I have something to "discuss" with the mechanic? or is there a guard issue too (unlikely methinks)
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 11:22
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i didnt think the exhaust counted?
probably wrong, and trying to convince myself its ok though... my zorst is under 100mm 
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 11:24
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Its counted in Queensland. This is another reason I cant have a side pipe 
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 11:26
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lol.. well no-ones said anything to me... so its all good
except "damn, thats low" from standard anyway
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 11:35
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Exhaust counts in NSW too. A friend of mine recently got defected for his exhaust (the only mod that's been done to his S15).
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adelaide
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 21:38
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the 100mm clearance thing isnt a huge deal IMO - you can slam a car on its guts and still have it clear by 10cm... (look at a ruler, 10cm is not much)
the thing that worries me is the 'eyebrow' rule where they measure between the centre of the back wheel and the guard lip... im assuming every single standard xp falcon/vn commodore can now get defected under this ridiculous rule (they tried to tell a mate as a general rule of thumb you need to be able to fit a finger between the top of the tyre and the guard lip)
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 22:01
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| pro_ke wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 08:38 |
(they tried to tell a mate as a general rule of thumb you need to be able to fit a finger between the top of the tyre and the guard lip)
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Can the finger fit in any way possible? Or does it have to be horizontal?
If it's horizontal, I'm screwed! 
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adelaide
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 23:00
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depends if the police man has a quadruple jointed finger?! i have no chance of passing with my car, the design of the body is such that the rear guards sit about 3 inches lower than the front when the car is flat... ill show them where they can stick their finger!
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 23:03
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and think how many Citroen's would be stuffed!
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 23:12
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Yep.
Exhaust, diff and sump all must have 10cm clearance!
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Sydney
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Wed, 17 March 2004 23:20
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I have also heard that your front lights cannot be any less than 50cm above the ground (the top of them that is).
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 00:08
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| pro_ke wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 08:38 |
the 100mm clearance thing isnt a huge deal IMO - you can slam a car on its guts and still have it clear by 10cm... (look at a ruler, 10cm is not much)
the thing that worries me is the 'eyebrow' rule where they measure between the centre of the back wheel and the guard lip... im assuming every single standard xp falcon/vn commodore can now get defected under this ridiculous rule (they tried to tell a mate as a general rule of thumb you need to be able to fit a finger between the top of the tyre and the guard lip)
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so basically im fucked?
its about an inch lower or more than top of tyre when on flat ground... i couldnt even fit it vertically before my guards got rolled...
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 00:22
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| RobST162 wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 10:03 |
and think how many Citroen's would be stuffed!
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I'd love to turn the car off while the cop is sticking his finger in there. Listen to the crunch as the car lowers onto his finger. 
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 00:27
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i couldnt tell you if it is legal or not, i could only suggest you consult your engineer 
my guess is your car is too low to be legal, the police man might pick on the rear guards and you are clearly failing the coke can test 
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 00:30
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| pro_ke wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 08:38 |
the thing that worries me is the 'eyebrow' rule where they measure between the centre of the back wheel and the guard lip...
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To be honest I have never heard of this rule at all and hence I have my doubts about it's authenticity. The ADRs (which I was trying to find a pointer on here: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/heavyvehicles/downloads/ vsi/vsi_dl1.html) state that the any part of the car must not be lower than 100mm (except the wheels of course) and or 600mm from the centre of the head light to the ground - which ever occurs first.
I'll try and find the actually ADR info
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 02:48
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neither had i until 2 of my mates got done for this
very sneaky
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Melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 03:28
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In VICTORIA.
They use a 10cm diameter disc on a stick that they roll under the car, if it gets stopped on anything at all..You get stuffed.
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 04:22
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At our local inspection centre, there is a nice hump as you drive in.
If you scrape on that, you are fucked, if not, you have a chance of getting away with it.
Now thats sneaky
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 04:48
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They use a 10cm diameter disc on a stick that they roll under the car, if it gets stopped on anything at all..You get stuffed.
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i've seen that used at sunnybank maccas once
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 08:52
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Yep no eye brow rule here in Qld. They just do the 100mm cylinder trick.
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Brisbane, QLD
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 09:16
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i dont think i'd like my car to sit only 100mm from the ground
its bad enough as it is getting over some speed humps and onto my driveway, especially with people in the car(other than me)
and yeah
i've seen them pull out the 100mm dia stick a few times at BWCP
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 23:41
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| Cyber-punk wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 20:16 |
i dont think i'd like my car to sit only 100mm from the ground
its bad enough as it is getting over some speed humps and onto my driveway, especially with people in the car(other than me)
and yeah
i've seen them pull out the 100mm dia stick a few times at BWCP
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I dont scrape on anything
I dont slow down heaps for speed bumps or take them on any weird angle or anything
ive only ever scraped once...
i guess it just depends where the low point is.. unlike my makes commo's and stuff.. my lowest points are in line with wheels
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Fri, 19 March 2004 07:18
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| Jag7799 wrote on Fri, 19 March 2004 09:41 |
| Cyber-punk wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 20:16 |
i dont think i'd like my car to sit only 100mm from the ground
its bad enough as it is getting over some speed humps and onto my driveway, especially with people in the car(other than me)
and yeah
i've seen them pull out the 100mm dia stick a few times at BWCP
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I dont scrape on anything
I dont slow down heaps for speed bumps or take them on any weird angle or anything
ive only ever scraped once...
i guess it just depends where the low point is.. unlike my makes commo's and stuff.. my lowest points are in line with wheels
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maybe its because i weigh between 90-95kgs...or my shocks are just plain rooted
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Fri, 19 March 2004 12:35
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i weigh around 60 mebbe
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Fri, 19 March 2004 20:33
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my car would fail the 10cm rule and the suspension is standard, admittedly the paticular variant was never sold here new, but it would still be tight if i got defected for standard suspension!
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Sat, 20 March 2004 00:21
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| lang wrote on Sat, 20 March 2004 07:33 |
my car would fail the 10cm rule and the suspension is standard, admittedly the paticular variant was never sold here new, but it would still be tight if i got defected for standard suspension!
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what car?
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Sun, 21 March 2004 09:00
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| Cyber-punk wrote on Fri, 19 March 2004 18:18 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Fri, 19 March 2004 09:41 |
| Cyber-punk wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 20:16 |
i dont think i'd like my car to sit only 100mm from the ground
its bad enough as it is getting over some speed humps and onto my driveway, especially with people in the car(other than me)
and yeah
i've seen them pull out the 100mm dia stick a few times at BWCP
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I dont scrape on anything
I dont slow down heaps for speed bumps or take them on any weird angle or anything
ive only ever scraped once...
i guess it just depends where the low point is.. unlike my makes commo's and stuff.. my lowest points are in line with wheels
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maybe its because i weigh between 90-95kgs...or my shocks are just plain rooted
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Pump your tyres up to the highest most sensible psi and you may
get away with the car too low 
That is what a mate did to his Mini Cooper S.
Cheers.
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Sun, 21 March 2004 12:01
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| pro_ke wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 08:38 |
the thing that worries me is the 'eyebrow' rule where they measure between the centre of the back wheel and the guard lip... im assuming every single standard xp falcon/vn commodore can now get defected under this ridiculous rule (they tried to tell a mate as a general rule of thumb you need to be able to fit a finger between the top of the tyre and the guard lip)
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BOO Not only is my car lowered so there's no wheel gap, the tyres sit so close to the guard too (but it's still a perfect fit )
It sits a tiny bit lower than this at the moment... would this look legal to you guys?
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Re: legal lowering.. what is the rule?
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Sun, 21 March 2004 14:24
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in that pic it looks stock to me.. looks VERY legal
no-where near illegal
min sits under the guards on rear.. had to have all guards modified
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