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lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 01:52
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Hi all,
I'm rebuilding a 3SGTE motor for my GT4 at the moment. When its in, I'll have my currrent motor spare.
Its in decent condition pushing the 1400kg GT4 to a quick(ish) 15 flat 1/4 mile in standard trim.
I want to buy a cheap car to swap the 3SGTE into to make a fun drag-only car.... I was thinking a SV21 Camry with no rego and engine problems for around $500 or so.. but they weigh around 1228kg, which is not super light.
Are there any other cheap and light cars that the east-west 3SGTE will go into? i don't really feel like converting it to a RWD motor.
Something around 1000kg would be sweet, which could drop down to around 900kg with pretty heavy weight loss.
any suggestions?
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Wahroonga
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June 2003
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 02:53
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Have u thought about putting it into a TA23 or RA23? They would be a light car, I think i remember someone saying that they came stock about 900kg's. If this is true once u remove the interior and upgrade the bits needed it should balance out about 1000kg.
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Parramatta
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July 2002
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 03:01
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if u want front wheel drive then i have to say ae82..... like the pov pak one about 900kg at the most i think they are... but u will have to do the mounts the brakes etc... lots of cost just for fun.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Bulleen, Melbourne
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June 2002
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 07:03
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The ae82 would be a good bet, there's a bloke who used to be around here, havent seen him for a while tho, and he had a 3sgte in an ae82. Name was mikey or something similar from memory, if you can find him, im sure you could ask how hard it was to do.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 07:10
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Note that in Qld and NSW the 2.5x rule applies for turbo engine swaps. This means the lightest car you can put a 3S-GTE into must weigh no less than 800kg from the factory. Most passenger cars weigh more than this though so you're pretty right there. My first choice would be an AE86 or TA22, both of which are around the 950kg mark.
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 07:28
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Camry is your best bet. I belive it will also drop into the older Tarago van which would be fun but not fast . Anything eles would require modification which = more $$$. Go the camry but from what I here the auto box wont last too long. At least spares for the camry are aboundant from most wreckers.
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February 2003
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 09:39
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| Norbie wrote on Mon, 22 March 2004 17:10 |
Note that in Qld and NSW the 2.5x rule applies for turbo engine swaps. This means the lightest car you can put a 3S-GTE into must weigh no less than 800kg from the factory. Most passenger cars weigh more than this though so you're pretty right there. My first choice would be an AE86 or TA22, both of which are around the 950kg mark.
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Doesn't really affect me as the car would never be used for the road. So the lighter the better! 
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone... i will now go do some research into these swaps... AE86 sounds cool, but I doubt I'd get one (even a rolling shell ) for less than $1K. Plus FWD would be nice due to the easy swap... so SV21 looks like the go... with some serious weight loss.
Its just a fun project to play with when I get bored... i'd like to spend no more than $2000. I have all the engine stuff.. loom, ECU, turbo, manifolds etc etc.
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Adelaide
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March 2004
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 10:31
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Let us know how well this project goes... my sv21 is boring. 
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May 2002
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 11:03
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If you want to do it on a mega budget, forget about RWD; you'll have to jam it into a FWD car that already has an S series engine. Early Camry or FWD Celica springs to mind.
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Sydney
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September 2003
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 11:28
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The best cars to use, that wont give you much hassle is the SV21 Camry and the ST162 Celica, obviously the celica will cost more. I think go the Camry , since it wont be registered take out the Interior, Race bucket seats, exhaust coming out the side  . My mate has just recently dropped in a ST205 3SGTE Group A engine in his sv21 camry  , cant wait for Toyota Nationals .
Heres a guy in Brisbane that has a 3sgte sv21 Camry:
http://members.pulsar.org.au/profiledisplay.php?ID =210
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Prospect, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 22:28
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Go for the ST162. I think there's a guy trying to sell one with a bad motor on the FastFours Forum for $500. The reason why I say Celica, is coz I always wanted to see a Celica gunning for fastest FWD.......
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February 2003
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Mon, 22 March 2004 22:51
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hehe cool
I don't think I'd get fastest FWD by a long shot
Have a look at that orange CRX... absolute weapon constructed from the ground up..
This would be a cheap project for shit and giggles really.
Using one of the online calculators, if the weight can be around 900Kg (stripped camry?), I'll need 300Hp (about 60Hp more than the car is making now) to get a flat 12...
Whats the bet the gearbox frys on the first attempt.
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Toymods Social Secretary
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July 2002
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Tue, 23 March 2004 00:11
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i really dont think you are going to lose 200-300kgs worth of shite stripping the camry.
Although it is still a fair bit lighter that the GT4, its still heavyish.
How about an SV11? THey are the ugliest heap of shit toyota brought out nearly, but they already have a transverse mounted 2S-E, and may just possibly accept all the 3S-GTE equipment. I would also hazard a guess that they are a fair bit lighter than an SV21 too!
But personally i would stick with the SV21. Much nicer car to begin with, and you can actually street register it with the 3sgte.
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Newcastle
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July 2003
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Tue, 23 March 2004 02:42
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how about an aw11... ? i know not a $500 special but im sure yuo could pick up a stuffed one cheap. the 3sgte fits in with an E-W config and you get the rwd ?
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brisbane
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March 2003
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Tue, 23 March 2004 09:38
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i have a mate that just sold a ae82 corolla with 3sgte in it.. it bloody hammered was a weapon.. but it kept on cracking the chassis well whats of it
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Tue, 23 March 2004 12:03
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| THE WITZL wrote on Tue, 23 March 2004 11:11 |
i really dont think you are going to lose 200-300kgs worth of shite stripping the camry.
Although it is still a fair bit lighter that the GT4, its still heavyish.
How about an SV11? THey are the ugliest heap of shit toyota brought out nearly, but they already have a transverse mounted 2S-E, and may just possibly accept all the 3S-GTE equipment. I would also hazard a guess that they are a fair bit lighter than an SV21 too!
But personally i would stick with the SV21. Much nicer car to begin with, and you can actually street register it with the 3sgte.
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SV21 CS Povo pack 1280kg's
and SV11 1110kg's
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Wed, 24 March 2004 00:26
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for 100kg's or so... stick with the SV21.
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Finland
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November 2002
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Wed, 24 March 2004 00:34
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Go-kart + 3S-GTE = quick(ish) 
Think about  !
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Location:
Perth
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September 2003
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Wed, 24 March 2004 08:52
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SV21 camry, i agree.
you could EASILY save a cupla hundred kilos outta them. if you don't plan to register it then go to town, cut out the spare wheel well and replace with 0.8mm sheet, lose half the rear suspension (replace the shocks and springs with solid bar - ala TRY09S R33 skyline - that'll save some weight and help traction), fit a smaller fuel tank - like 15L or something, strip the interior to nothing, lose all the stereo gear, wiring, dashboard, seats, carpet, sound deadener etc etc, replace the glass with lexan (ok, so there's a cost there, but you'll save some serious weight and lose the winder mechanisms and locks etc)and fit small cheesecutters to the rear end.
it all adds up in the end, i reckon you could get it hovering close to 1000kgs when finished.
imagine the look of a commonwhore driver getting whooped by a camry! just pop the bonnet and say "mate, it's all std bar the exhaust!" and see what colour their faces go!
good luck!
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Canberra
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February 2004
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Re: lightest car for a 3SGTE easy swap
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Wed, 24 March 2004 13:35
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this is interesting stuff, my 3sfe is starting to blow a bit of smoke, and with the suspension and tyres i have on it, i reckon the car is still worth hanging onto. i dont suppose you would be willing to sell that 3S-GTE to me would you? or if you do end up doing the swap, take pics and show me how its done. then i'll take on your SV21 any day. Mine is faster because it has dragon seat covers 
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