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 ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Mon, 05 April 2004 21:04
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I need to buy an aftermarket ecu to run my 4agte.
Anyone know whats good these days?
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Bundaberg, Qld.
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May 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Mon, 05 April 2004 21:36
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 buy me a microtech and i will put it on mine and let you know if it's any good.... 
i still have my gze ECU running mine.
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sydney
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November 2003
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NSW, East Coast
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July 2003
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Mon, 05 April 2004 23:05
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Go and see JEM in Moorebank, he runs a Haltech e6x and its good for his 11.5sec 4agte.
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Mon, 05 April 2004 23:19
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if u got the money go haltech if not then microtech will run it fine
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sydney
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May 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Mon, 05 April 2004 23:21
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i run an EMS on my 4age, and my mate runs one on his 4AGTE, made some nice power out of it and runs quite well...
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Banned by his request
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moved to tamworth
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July 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Tue, 06 April 2004 10:53
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in order of best! motec,autronic, haltech{now that polard has it and its going to start taking on the first two}. dont bother with any of the others.
mick
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Tue, 06 April 2004 16:40
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how about a wolf?
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sydney
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November 2003
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Tue, 06 April 2004 20:59
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I was going to ask the same question......What about wolf??
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sydney
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May 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Tue, 06 April 2004 23:16
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kingmick's statement is pretty bold...
most computers on the market would do the job adequately. just make sure you have the support, good tuner can go a long way.
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 04:10
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ive put more microtechs on 4age's and 4efe's than anything else,
the current range work a treat with the toyotas, i have done a few 4agte and they make around 190hp at the wheels on less than 15psi boost,
as for drag times, ill mention the little MR2 at the drags the other week that ran 10.6 with a 4agte and LTX8 microtech.
one of my customers 4agze is make 145hp at the wheels with a nevo pully and LTX8 microtech, i have another customer with a starlet that makes 200hp at the wheels with a LTX8 microtech,
basically any ecu is only as good as the person tuning it,
best value for money is by far the microtech, for $1550 (plus dyno hire) i can supply, install and tune a LT8 using your stock ign system or for $1750 a LTX8 with direct fire Bosch coils. i done a heap for toymods members i did NVD05X's car on the weekend, made 195hp at the wheels on 15psi
Dale
PS haltech will never pass motec or autronic, they have a long long way before they even get close...
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Banned by his request
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moved to tamworth
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July 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 04:11
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ive never seen a wolf on a expensive engine, not to say it hasnt been on there for a short time on say a drag engine. not a BOLD statment an imformed statment.
mick
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Banned by his request
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moved to tamworth
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 04:43
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10sec_rx7 exactly what i mean. you get what you pay for! but also look at what the circuit racers or rally use as appossed to drag racers. remmeber drag racing is carby dominated and they only turn for 800-1220 revolutions in a pass.
mick
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 04:50
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a lot of circuit racers use microtech espically in IPRA and production cars, a few rally club racers use it as well, and 75% of the after market ecus sold in australia are microtech.
not many of them use halteh at all..
not one top rotary drag team in the world use a haltech fuel and ign ecu, there is a reason for this, they are all using motec or microtech now, rotarys are 10 times more crutial on the ign timing than a piston motor is.
you would actually be suprised how much stress a drag motor is under, if the ecu and tune is no good it will not even make it past the burn out.
Dale
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 04:55
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Dale,
Your name rings a bell from the Celica GT-4 Yahoo Group/s (v2 Saf!). Did you work for another leading company in this field (ie. Motec) before starting out your own business ?
Cheers,
Mitch.
Perth W.A.
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 04:57
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Mitch,
I have never worked for any ECU company! i just work on my own and with Mark Chapman of MRC Dyno and Performance in Castle Hill.
Dale
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Banned by his request
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moved to tamworth
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July 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 04:59
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they will start using haltech now as they have just been through a big change and they dont use autronic as its manily australian.
they use microtech because it is cheaper than the others. if you had the money motec is the only one you would use.
mick
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 05:03
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ND4SPD runs a wolf 3d 681+rwhp
also GTAAH runs a wolf and has around the same power figure.
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 05:07
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mick,
they have gone through a big change but the e11 is still buggy as hell and dosent work correctly, and the rest have crap software and ign control, when they get all that sorted and get some staff that know what is going on they may start to make inroads.
Dale
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 05:08
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My humble apologies Dale, I have confused someone else with you.
Either way, your input into this question is very informative, thanks.
And for everyone else, there will always be other cars with other ECU's and greater horsepower figures. Let's stick to the question and not drop into 'benchtop racing'.
Cheers,
Mitch.
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 05:12
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Mitch,
thats fine 
im just posting my real world results from cars i have worked on, im sure some of the owners will get on here tonight and put there 2c in as well
Dale
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 05:13
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i've been looking at the wolf manual of late and it leaves a lot to be desired.. as does the microtech... meaning that you MUST find someone who knows about it, cos the company will not provide great support (i'm sure there are exceptions to this)
for drag racing, you are only working in a very limited range of RPM and load... and carby vs injection is very close.. as they have always been... carby is sometimes better from simplicity point of view.
as for value for money, megasquirt is best value, but you need to put in a little efort yourself 
fwiw, 4 cylinder land speed record is held by a megasquirted vehicle, (rick yacoucci? ) (1.3L, 620hp, LOTS of boost)
and there are a couple of sub 8 second alcohol drag cars also running megasquirt 
megasquirt also has one of the best support networks around (4000+ members on yahoo), and you can replace any parts easily, AND code is open source so you can modify it any way you want
Cya, Stewart
so back to the question. if you are installing yourself, try to find what problems there are with different systems, and MAKE SURE that there is good suppot AFTER you hand over the $$.
OR, make sure you find someone who is reputable at installing and tuning the particular system (like Dale ) so that it will be done correctly first time.
[Updated on: Wed, 07 April 2004 05:16]
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 05:17
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thats the good thing about the microtech, half hour sitting there with the software and the manual and you will know what every setting does, its not as complicated as people think it is,
i have customers in Sri Lanka that are using microtechs, it took them 4 hours to wire the first one and the car started perfectly on the base map i had given them,
megasquirt is good for a simple fuel only setup, once they get the ign control sorted it will be good as well, i wouldnt expect perfect ign control for a while out of it tho will take some time to sort it out.
Dale
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Banned by his request
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 05:31
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microtechs are very good but dont have the extra features. if i had to pick a computer besides motec,autronic or haltech id go microtech everytime.
mick
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Syndey
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December 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 05:40
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For sure but how many street cars actually need the extra features?? not a lot, espically toyotas where the thermo is run off its own switch,
the new range have a lot more features than the older ones,
the ecu in my misses car has idle motor control etc on it that runs the standard idle control motor and idles up when cold and air con is switched on etc, also has output for shift light and another output to turn on the water pump for the water to air intercooler. so they have the features there.
the new range LT12s has wideband 02, on board data logging, more outputs, 32bit processors etc all standard, with the option of a 40psi inbuilt map sensor.
the new LT8s range has more outputs, 32bit processor and the 40psi option as well,
all will have the user definable load points and injector MS when a update in done in a few months time
Dale
[Updated on: Wed, 07 April 2004 05:43]
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I supported Toymods
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 05:48
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Talk about a can of worms
Great to here your at the ECU stage of the project, Can't wait to see how she goes against Daves Cappacino
Anyway some things to keep in mind, (You know my personal preference is for Autronic.)
A downdraft carby from the 70's will happily hit the top number on a dyno graph if its big enough, ANY aftermarket ECU will be able to. It's between start and flat out that is your problem.
The things people never consider are the support functions and niceties of an engine, the a/c idle up, the flexability of idle control with big injectors, the decereration curves, the boost limitations of the unit, etc ,etc. All the little things that generally do bugger all in the chase for power but make it a much nicer car to drive.
There are alot of systems on the market and generally you get what you pay for ! At the end of the day your car will only run as good as your engine tuner sets it up. ANYONE can buy a dyno and call themselves an engine tuner but if I buy a dentist chair it doesn't make me a Dentist.
Most tuners will have a field of expertise towards a few select ecu systems. Try speaking to someone who will pick whats best for your car, not just what they know how to use ! If you ca find yourself a tuner who is not local to or locked into a particular brand you will generally get much less biased advice.
Please note I am in NO WAY having a go at anyone in this thread.
I know or am familiar with both KingMick and 10sec_rx7, they both know what they are talking about and will have there personal preferences. !
And yes if Budget was a major concern I would also pick a Microtech over anyting else in there price range. Mind you I'd hate to build a wicked engine and then compromise on one of the most important parts.
My personal preference is Autronic then microtech. If your not in a huge hurry the new Autronics will be out soon !
[Updated on: Wed, 07 April 2004 05:53]
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 05:56
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thats exactly right,
if you only have a tuner that can tune a motec within 200km of your house you would be silly to by a microtech or haltech,
in sydney there are that many tuners that the choice is endless, about the only one that is not really supported well at all is the wolf systems, every other system you can find someone close that will be able to tune them well.
Mark at MRC has tuned just about everything there is to tune, from Microtech, autronic, haltech, power fc, ecutek etc, he loves his autronic's and is starting to like the microtechs more now that the newer models are coming through and showing the potential
i tend to stick more to microtech as it is what i know backwards and a litte haltech here and there , will be doing more autronic soon
Fatmr2,
if you want to have a chat about ecu options etc give me a call on 0412 044 456, ill orgainse a ride for you in NVD05X car which is a 4agte that i tuned
Dale
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Banned by his request
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July 2002
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 06:14
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autronic is sensational as i have one!lol sm2. but motec is still the best. you need to be a rocket scientist to get info off richard!.
did you slap jimmy for me.
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sydney
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November 2003
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 11:03
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Rod: I'm nearly there but not quite yet. As for my bro's car......He better watch out cause I'm expecting some big numbers I only wish i could get an autronic sm2 like his for what he paid. DAMN he got it cheap!!!  You guys will be seeing it again pretty soon though. Every time i try to put better stuff on my car he just keeps finding more power in that thing.
HOLY SHIT!!! How much can a damn 660cc engine make  I'm going to have to run 30psi to keep up 
Mick's metal craft is making the plenum at the moment so its coming together....Slowly
I think the project is going to slow down a bit for a while due to lack of funds  we'll see.
Dale: Man, that would be awesome. I will definitely give you a call.
To all of you, Thanks for the help
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Location:
Albany WA
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October 2003
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Re: ECU for 4agte, Whats good????
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Wed, 07 April 2004 13:42
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If, like me, you live 400km from a dyno, let alone a tuner, you have to be able to work it out yourself... I'm with Stewart & the Megasquirt once I figure out how the damn thing works But there is a LOT of info out there on the Megasquirt, and its cheap, so it should be good for experimentation. I'm going to try it.
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