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Re: Will the GT4 manual box fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Mon, 26 April 2004 11:16
 
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Oh and any suggestions as to which clutch to use??
I want a heavier one than stock but full-faced.(no brass-buttons)
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Wahroonga
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June 2003
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Re: Will the GT4 manual box fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Mon, 26 April 2004 12:38
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i use a 5 puck heavy duty ceramic, have you thought about using 1.
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Canberra
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April 2003
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Re: Will the GT4 manual box fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Mon, 26 April 2004 15:19
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ok since draza didn't answer this one.
Why would you want to put a GT4 gearbox on your camry?
a GT4 gearbox is a full time 4WD gearbox, it can be made to run FWD but not a viable option for a 3sfe camry, they are a massive gearbox and although the bellhousing will fit, the tranfser case most probably won't fit in the engine bay. it would cost way to much to fit (trust me I have one of these on my FWD celica and it is really not worth it, I only have it cause it can stand up to the 3sgte under my bonnet) gearboxes are pretty available $500 roughly, unless you can lock the viscious coupling yourself it will cost roughly $2000 and you have to find somewhere that will do it, then you need GT4 drivshafts cause they are shorter $XXX, then you have to customize your bottom crossmembers to fit the new width of the box $XXX, new engine mounts $120.
Not worth it, plus cause the box is bigger it sucks more power, and the 3sfe doesn't have enough to begin with.
If I was you I would just get another carmy gearbox from a wrecker or get yours rebuilt.
Draza is right about the clutch though
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I supported Toymods
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Brisbane
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Re: Will the GT4 manual box fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Mon, 26 April 2004 21:06
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ST204 box? 
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Re: Will the GT4 manual box fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Mon, 26 April 2004 22:11
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The gt4 are a pain in the ass to install, if you haven't don't any serious mods just get a celica box from an import wreckers, or if you are after a tough box get the mr2 turbo box its pretty much the same a gt4 but with out the tranfer case.
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Wahroonga
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June 2003
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Re: Will the GT4 manual box fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 01:50
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I thought i would leave this 1 to u wiso. I knew the box would bolt up but i didn't know what was needed to be done to fit it in an SV21, ur the expert.
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Sydney
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January 2003
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 Re: Will the GT4 manual box fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 02:22
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Thanx guys 
ok so i'll look for a celica box or have mine rebilt. I suppose they would be the same/very simmilar, as the clica is the same car with a different shell.(of the age)
Which one do you guys think is better? I want to get a higher ratioed box if i can as the stock SV21 5speed has REALLY REALLY low ratios. I can drive around in 5th at 45km/h.  
I should bother puting in "red-line oil"?
Is the 5PUCK clutch real grabby? cauz i wanted a stronger and heavier clutch without the "ON OFF" affect, if u know what i mean...
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Re: Will the GT4 manual box fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 02:27
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i asked some ppl on the camry forum in the states and they suggested the tranny from a Celica GTS with the 3S-GE or the E153 tranny from V6 Camry/Solara.
Any thoughts?
i suppose i should ring TOYOTA and ask about the ratio differences... 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 03:04
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The ST204 has the 3S-GE
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 07:03
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first cool1 the st204 has a 5sfe not a 3sge
Iceman the e153 tranny is and MR2 turbo box, so not worth the cost to do especially on the 3sfe, it would cost about as much as the GT4 box to do.
a V6 camry box is I think the e53, but the bell housing won't fit a 3s engine.
I am pretty sure the SV21 camry box is the same one that is used by both the ST184 and the ST204 celica with 5sfe. the code is I think the s54, there is also an s53 but that is the ST162 box, althought they have different ratios depending on which car it came from (celica or camry) but the ST204 and ST184 boxes are the same.
puc clutchs are always grabby, they aren't really meant for road use, Just stick with the ceramic clutch like Draza mentioned, I have a 3 puc brass button and it is fucking impossible to drive on the road, you can't reverse or go slowly. (which isn't that much of a bad thing). but yes it is ON or OFF, there is no inbetween, doesn't help with a lightweight flywheel.
I have used a 5 puc ceramic and they aren't to bad they do have the gradual effect, they are more of a street perfomance clutch
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toowoomba qld
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March 2004
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 07:27
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hey the manual gear box in my 3S-FE camry is a S-53 (factory) the st162 celicas had the same box as this some of the st162 celicas came out with 3S-FE but pretty sure others came out with 3S-GE's which should mean that the box of a 3S-GE should fit it i have been told that the 3S-GE box is also supposed to have better ratios as well to the 3S-Fe's box (i know what you mean about low ratios thoughs with the 3S-FE box) seems fair to get a 3S-GE box to me
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 07:35
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not really cause the 3sge box in the ST162 is the same one you alrady have, they are very low ratio (at 110km/hr they are reving about 3500, thats shit), plus in the St162 these boxes have a nasty habbit of shitting the 2nd gear syncro, I think everybody with a 162 will vouch for that. definatly go either the St184 or St204 s54 box, they have longer ratios, good for higer reving but not as good for acceleration. Most St162 3sge's upgrade to this box as well
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toowoomba qld
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March 2004
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 08:45
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what about 4000rpm at 140 km/h is this good or bad? because thats what will say at thoese speeds, at 100km/h mine sits at 3 grand 3,500 at 120km/h are these speeds good or bad? I've offten wonderd about rpm speeds whats a good engine speed at 100km/h?
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 09:01
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| wiso wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 17:03 |
first cool1 the st204 has a 5sfe not a 3sge
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The inport ST204 I bought had a 3S-GE. This was probably a mistake from the factory
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Melb, Victoria
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April 2004
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Melb, Victoria
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 09:53
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hi guys i've got a 3sge powered st162 with the standard s53 box.in 5th at 100kph it revs a 3100rpm.so the camry would rev less in 5th at 100kph right?isn't the only difference the 5th gear/final drive?
As for the s53 3sge box fitting onto the camry's 3sfe.it won't.besides the ratios of the two boxes the other diffence is the location of the starter motor.the 3sge s53 starter in underneath the exhaust manifold.the 3sfe has a diffent exhasut manifold so it most likely won't work.
i think the best upgrade is to go with the s54 st184 box or stick with the camry box. my .02c 
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toowoomba qld
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 10:40
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hard to say mate there 2 different motors the 3S-FE has a narrow twin cam head where as the 3S-GE has a sport twin cam head the 3S-FE is more econimical than the 3S-GE for obvious reasons but yeah me camry sits about 3 at 100km/h in 5th with the stock S53 box but i have been told that all 3S boxes will fit all 3S motors but the GT4 gearbox is proberly not the choice as wisso said after him saying about the gearboxes before probablly is better to go a ST184 or ST204 s54 box
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Sydney
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 10:46
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Peter dont waste your money with a gt4 box, either get the box rebuilt or get a second hand box, remember that doctakay is running a rebuilt camry box with his st205 3sgte motor and isnt having any troubles.
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Canberra
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April 2003
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 14:57
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| Cool1 wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 19:01 |
| wiso wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 17:03 |
first cool1 the st204 has a 5sfe not a 3sge
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The inport ST204 I bought had a 3S-GE. This was probably a mistake from the factory
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Sorry cool1 didn't realise you were talking about an import, yes I know some jap models did have the 3sge, but I thought you were talking about the aus model. 
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Tue, 27 April 2004 23:53
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| wiso wrote on Wed, 28 April 2004 00:57 |
| Cool1 wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 19:01 |
| wiso wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 17:03 |
first cool1 the st204 has a 5sfe not a 3sge
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The inport ST204 I bought had a 3S-GE. This was probably a mistake from the factory
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Sorry cool1 didn't realise you were talking about an import, yes I know some jap models did have the 3sge, but I thought you were talking about the aus model.
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I thought you might of thought that
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Wed, 28 April 2004 02:17
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Ok well it looks like it's the s54 box or a rebuild.
Well the next question is which is cheaper??
As far as the clutches go, Are there any full-faced ceramic ones that are heavier/tuffer than the stock?? 
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Wed, 28 April 2004 07:32
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Obviously used is cheaper, doctakay had his rebuilt last month so ask him howmuch he paid .
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Melb, Victoria
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Re: Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
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Wed, 28 April 2004 09:40
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i was researching a while back about rebuilding my s53 box so it would be ready to take the power of the 3sgte (when it comes ). i was gettin quotes from $700 up to $1300!much cheaper to buy a good used one. 3sfe s53's go for around $400 and about $550 for a s54 is what i was being told..
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Which manual box will fit in the SV21 and on the 3SFE?
