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September 2003
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why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 07:51
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as the topic suggests? becuase the max capasity for a ta22 is 960x2=1920(for F/I)??and arnt 13b's like 1200cc??
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Newcastle, Hunter Valley
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January 2004
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 07:55
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i thought they were considered 2600cc?
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north brisbane
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September 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 08:00
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ahh ok...so thatz why it would b illegal??? but how cum they put them in corolla'z,dattos, n all that crap?
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Sydney
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February 2003
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north brisbane
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September 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 08:03
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why is that tho?? so what about a 12a turbo
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Sydney
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February 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 08:06
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i guess because they produce a fair bit of power for their size compared to piston engines.
a 12A is the same, it would be considered a 2.3L hence also too big.
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north brisbane
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September 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 08:08
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 so i cant put a rotor in my car....... 
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Sydney
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February 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 08:10
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not a turbo, no.
unfortunately it just can't be done anymore.
just get an N/A rotor and port the shit out of it. haha
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north brisbane
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September 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 08:17
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ahh tru..naa i prob have to go 3TGTE...u kno where i can get one cheapish?
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Sydney
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February 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 08:19
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thatd be nice, gettin on a bit, but still a nice engine.
unfortunately i wouldnt have the slightest idea where to find a cheap one, sorry.
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Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 09:44
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you'd best talk to an engineer
maybe there is a way to get a 13b turbo into your ta22 and still remain street legal
but i dont like the chances, but you never know till you ask around some engineers.
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I supported Toymods
Banned User
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 09:46
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| Cyber-punk wrote on Sat, 15 May 2004 19:44 |
you'd best talk to an engineer
maybe there is a way to get a 13b turbo into your ta22 and still remain street legal
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Best idea i've heard in a long time  I agree, ring some engineers.
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Rocklea qld
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February 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 09:47
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Isnt it 960 x 2.5 for a turbo motor and x 3 for a n/a motor...Im guessing ta23 weights about the same as a ta22 and its legal to put a 2l turbo in a ta23 so i dont see why a 13b wouldnt be legal in a ta22
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sat, 15 May 2004 10:06
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because, as has already been mentioned at least twice in this post, rotors are considered by the RTA (and most race clubs/organisations) to be of double the "actual" displacement.
IE: 13b = 1.3L x 2 = 2.6.
This is because rotors actually displace more air than he 1.3 litres they're named after (it's actually 1.8 times as much, but the rta uses a x2 multiplier for simplicity)
you can probably get it done, but it would require having your car registered and engineered as a "custom build", which almost certainly requires more work than you're willing to put in.
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Brisbane
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November 2002
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sun, 16 May 2004 00:20
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The lightest a car can be for a 13BT is 1047kg (ie. 1047kg x 2.5 = max of 2617cc capacity) if it was factory fitted with a four cylinder or rotary engine.
Most states are starting to come in line and as far as I know we all have similar guidelines now.
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sun, 16 May 2004 00:55
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you could always do it and not engineer it.. but i didnt say that
howcome people get away with 1g gte's in ta22's though?
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Brisbane
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October 2002
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sun, 16 May 2004 01:08
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so does that mean i cant put a sigma engine in a TA22
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Location:
Brisbane
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November 2002
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sun, 16 May 2004 02:23
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The 1GGTE is a 2.0 litre.
2000cc / 2.5 = 800kg minimum weight.
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Location:
Yagoona Sydney
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December 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sun, 16 May 2004 02:25
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its illegal 2 have a 13b turbo in a gemi (syd)
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sydney
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June 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Sun, 16 May 2004 09:57
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you can still legally get a 12a turbo into a TA22.
12a turbo = 1.2L = 1200cc displacement
1.2L x 2 = 2.4L = 2400cc is the legal forced iduction displacement
a TA22 weighs 960kg
960 x 2.5 = 2400cc (legal forced induction displacement).
GO THE ROTORS!!!!! 
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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sunny coast, qld
Registered:
October 2002
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Mon, 17 May 2004 02:38
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should PM rotatr as he has that nutter 13b turbo ta22 i think it is with tubs and all and he said it is street legal, that is in NSW I think though
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Location:
Burlington, On. Canada
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January 2004
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Mon, 17 May 2004 04:14
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Interesting reading. From what I gathered from reading this thread, there is a limit on engine displacement based on the weight of the vehicle it is to be put in? What are the rules down there specifically? What is this engineering test? Is it mandatory? Do cars need to be emissions tested there? Does this mean the end of crazy modified cars in Oz?
This sounds terrible. It's bad enough we have to waste our time on emissions tests here every two years, even though my vehicles pass every time. But to have to go through some engineering test too?
Time for all automobile fans in Australia to rally together and boot your members of parliment out and change the rules.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Mon, 17 May 2004 05:40
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"Engineering" isn't as bad as it sounds, it's really just a common sense check to stop people from doing stupid stuff, like wedging a big block V8 in a Corolla without upgrading the brakes. Would you want a contraption like that driving around your neighbourhood? I wouldn't!
Yes there are displacement limits but it's usually not necessary to go through an emissions test, which is just as well because you're pretty much guaranteed to fail. LOL!
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Location:
Wollongong, NSW
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October 2003
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Location:
Burlington, On. Canada
Registered:
January 2004
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Wed, 19 May 2004 00:26
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Thanks for the info gents. I guess it's true what you said Norbie, but I thought Australians were all about mad, crazy horsepower cars, ("The last of the V8 Interceptors"-Mad Max). Love seeing what you guys came up with. 
Should be interesting to see how you guys get around the rules legally. I anticipate this will not slow you guys down much.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: why 13b turbo illegal in ta22(QLD)
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Wed, 19 May 2004 00:33
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one big problem is that a lot of ppl don't get cars engineered, so when they take someone else out, they are not insured
the australian registration rules are there to protect us and the innocent bystanders from prmanent damage 
you CAN get almost anything engineered if it is safe (such as a P51 merlin engine into an old chev!!!), but this requires certification in a clas known as "individually constructed vehicle" which means you need to comply with, or comply with the intent of ALL current ADR's (australian design rules).
what annoys me is that every school holidays, we get another "why isn't a 13B legal in such and such a car" you'd think after the 15th or 16th time they would get the idea.......
i think these people should just be directed to www.ausrotary in future... stop wasting bandwidth here (since they never listen)
Cya, Stewart
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