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 Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Wed, 19 May 2004 23:50
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I now that this has been asked a thousand times before, but i need your personal opinion,i finally have the cash,the sr20det was what i was intending to install, im very conserned about the ae86 car balance, i dont want the front to be too heavy from the back or ill would go for a 1jz or something similar, i dont want too much power, just a good drift car thats daily driven.The 4agze is good, but i want a bit more. My question is what about the 13b, hows that engine like?
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 00:16
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Sr20det in a AE86 , can this be done ? Any information would be located BY USING THE SEARCH FUNCTION .
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 00:19
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read the rest of it
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 00:22
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13B is effectively a 2.3L motor.
SR20DET is a 2L turbo.. what 'effective capacity it is depends on boost..
nissan and mazda motors are kinda outside the toymods thing really...
how's it like? it's a rotary. ask on www.ausrotary about what the motor is like... i'm sure it would make a great drift pig.
hi ho hi ho, a searchin we will go 
Cya, Stewart
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 00:25
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just off the top of my head an personal opinion. I'd think the gze would be good enough for drifting. If you really want more, go for the sr20det.
These engines will make it easier to drift than the na 13b i think
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 00:49
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My opinion is that the SR20DET would have more torque, more power, and use less fuel than the 13B.
I've seen a bridge port 13B make 111kW on the dyno.
An SR20DET with 14psi and a FMIC will make about 130kW (100kW stock) and absolute bucketloads more torque than a 13B.
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 05:22
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1uz?
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 05:53
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just a good drift car thats daily driven
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in this case
not a 1jz (too big)
not a 13b (illegal)
not an sr20 (to front heavy ie cast iron)
not a 1uz
try a 3sgte or a 4agte
thats about the limits of your requirements
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 06:03
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AFAIK the sr20 is an alloy block, the ca18 is the cast iron one.
I would say 4agte or 3sgte also.
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 06:27
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ah right
thanks for that
nissan engines ... i have no idea
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 08:37
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No Microteched Weber carburettors for your 4A-C now? Go a truck motor it's a great idea promise. 
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 09:33
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I sure hope Rex doesnt see this thread...
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 09:51
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4agze vs sr20det.
sr20det is a minor upgrade (my opinion) and why go to all the trouble of custom mounts etc. You said you have the money. So get yourself a custom manifold and get an s14 or s15 turbo and youll have a 4agte or be crazy and spend more and go 4agzte.
but put simply 4agte vs an sr20det is a fairly evan battle and there is almost no point. You could be looking at 150kw on the 4agte (depening on how much u spend) and go to the trouble of an engine swap and end up getting around the same power.
The only reason to go sr20det would be if you wanted to start looking at 260+rwkw. (but then your looking at more money again so you'd have to swap the engine, then start the mod process again)
So you asked my opinion and there it is. Go with a T at the end of your 4agze (if your that hellbent on more power) or if you really want an engine swap with more power go a gen3 3sgte (but again you'd need to modd it).
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 10:27
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SR20DET is overpriced for what you get and especially afer you squeeze it in. if you want an easy RWD turbo setup you cant go past a CA18DET its smaller and lighter than an SR20DET and cheaper (even tho it is cast iron Vs Alloy the SR is much bigger still and wieghs in around 20-30 Kg more)
but for simplicity and gene selection go a 4AGZE it has all the guts you need and then some. just look at the D1 japan comp, 4AGE powered sprinters arent frowned upon but actually revered as the true drivers cars think about it you dont need ultimate power just good setup
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 10:34
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Have you thought about a 3RZFE? They have more capacity.
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Thu, 20 May 2004 12:36
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I know someone who's considering a turbo 3RZ-FE for motorkhana duties in an RA60.
Prolly a bit heavy for an AE86 though.
Check this little speil out:
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Toyota's new 4WD LandCruiser Prado RV has the most advanced four-cylinder
commercial vehicle engine in Australia. It has twin contra-rotating
balance shafts for exceptional smoothness in a large-capacity in-line four
design.
The new Prado four-cylinder 2.7-litre engine has more power and torque
than the major competitor's 3.0-litre V6. It has more power and the same
torque as superseded Toyota 4Runner V6.
The new 2694cm3 Toyota 3RZ-FE engine delivers 112kW (ECE) of power at
4800rpm and 240Nm (ECE) of torque at 4000rpm. It has more than 200Nm of
torque from 1250rpm to 5200rpm.
The new Prado four has 49 percent more power and 30 percent more torque
than the single overhead camshaft eight-valve 2367cm3 22R engine in the
superseded entry level 4Runner. Technical features in Prado's new EFI and
twin balance shaft-equipped Twin Cam Multi-valve engine are equal to - or
better than - many ontemporary passenger vehicle engines.
Designed For Low NVH
Toyota designed Prado's new four-cylinder engine for a combination of high
performance, fuel efficiency and reliability, coupled with low emissions
and low NVH. The bottom-end of the new 3RZ-FE engine borrows many strength
and durability features from race-engine technology. It has a deep-skirt
cast-iron cylinder block and fully balanced eight-counterweight crankshaft
for low NVH. The crankshaft has hardened pins and journals, and rolled
fillets, for increased durability.
The connecting rods are forged from a special carbon steel, chosen for its
ability to withstand high operating speeds and pressures while meeting
targets for low reciprocating weight. The conrods are double shot-peened
for increased strength and durability.
The Toyota 3RZ-FE engine has alloy pistons with resin-coated skirts to
reduce friction. There is an oil-jet in each big-end bearing to cool the
under-side of the pistons.
The 3RZ-FE engine also offers plastic region tightening bolts for the
cylinder head, conrods and crankshaft main bearings. Plastic region
tightening provides optimum clamping force for a given weight of bolt.
For package efficiency and high durability, the 3RZ-FE has a low-wear
camshaft timing chain rather than a belt. An oil jet on the hydraulic
chain tensioner lubricates the chain, and the timing chain drives the
inlet camshaft.
Drive to the exhaust camshaft is by "scissor" gear drive from the inlet
camshaft for optimum package efficiency and low noise. Chain drive is also
employed to drive the twin contra-rotating balance shafts. Balance shaft
number two is driven directly by the chain in the same direction as the
crankshaft, while an idler gear is used to drive balance shaft number one
in the opposite direction. In addition to the balance shafts, the Prado
four-cylinder engine has a torsional damper pulley to reduce NVH.
Performance and Economy
Prado's new four-cylinder engine combines high performance with high fuel
efficiency and low emissions. It has square (95mm by 95mm) bore and stroke
dimensions, for a balance of power and low-to-mid-range torque.
Multi-valve cylinder head technology has been adopted for better breathing
and maximum fuel efficiency. The new Prado 3RZ-FE engine has four valves
per cylinder arranged in a compact pentroof combustion chamber with a
19-degree included valve angle.
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Copied from here:
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/toy_90_i.htm
As for the AE86. Stick with a 4A-GTE or 3S-GTE.
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Sat, 22 May 2004 09:52
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just a good drift car thats daily driven
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in this case
not a 1jz (too big)
not a 13b (illegal)
not an sr20 (to front heavy ie cast iron)
not a 1uz
try a 3sgte or a 4agte
thats about the limits of your requirements
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why is a 13b illegal?  , ive been in a friends rx3 12a brigeport,we keepet up with a ss commodore, that thing rev d up to 11000 rpm  or more
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Sat, 22 May 2004 10:40
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a 13b-t would be illegal
a 13b n/a would (most likely) not be.
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Sat, 22 May 2004 14:23
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"takumi spec" 11,000 rpm 20 valve motor?
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Sun, 23 May 2004 03:46
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Pfft, bridge port. Ever listened to a peripheral port rotor (trying to!) idle? One of life's experiences 
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Sun, 23 May 2004 05:44
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You know, I used to absolutely hate pp rotors back in the day.
But now, when I hear them I go nuts... It's just so rare these days to hear something try to idle at 2,000rpm... hehe
*barp* *barp* *barp* *barp* *barp* *barp*
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Sun, 23 May 2004 05:55
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Well, after going in a 13b pp rx2 I would choose an sr20det over one of them for drifting as they need a lot of revs and their powerband is pretty high up in the rev range. It was fast though! But i don't think it would be the best choice for a drift car as the na rotaries don't make much torque but they do make good power as they rev very high.
4agte VS sr20det, I have NFI 
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Sun, 23 May 2004 06:40
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<off topic>
guy across the road had a PP 13b in a rx-3
could hear him in the next suburb, as it had no cat and a straight through muffler. They sound very funny at idle, and very scary as they wind out the tacho (he sold it 2 days before the epa came around to his house to test it after multiple noise complaints)
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I still say a gze with a nevo pulley would give you exactly what you want in a drift pig
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Sun, 23 May 2004 12:41
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Please ppl stop...putting down the SR20 as an disadvantage in term of $$$ or harder to do..or it made by NISSAN. Do the conversion then talk.
anyway here is my opinion on this topics..
setting up a proper 4agte might cost more than doing the SR20 conversion..
eg you basically need 2 engine
1. head of a 4age BIG port (88kw)
2. bottom block of 4agze (the version with oil squirter)
then there are thing that follow
3. custom manifold (not exactly cheap)
4. turbo (depend if you buying used or new)
5. aftermarket ECU
you still have to custom mount...
stronger diff/stronger gear box...etc (all the usual conversion)
as for the sr20...easy to get part/power out of it (yes yes...ppl in here will go BUT sprinter isn't about power...)
Currently finishing up on the conversion (sr20)
blacktop sr20 from 180sx 96 model
Power FC
z32 airflow meter
R32 GTR caliper front and back
holden VN SS diff with LSD running 3.9
HKS Turbo GT2540
custom FMIC
Full whiteline suspension kit
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Sun, 23 May 2004 12:47
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SR20 is fine if you don't mind an engine with rockers.
If you want a modern engine though, go the 3S-GTE.
<start flamefest>
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Mon, 24 May 2004 00:45
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ae864eva
Long time , since i seen you online ! you must have been busy working on the beast . Tell your sister to stop using your icq sign on .
As for the rest of this post
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Mon, 24 May 2004 00:52
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how about a 4k
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Mon, 24 May 2004 04:34
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13bt will sh*t all over em
go rota very small engines. ive lifted one before
try lifting a sr20 see how u go
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Mon, 24 May 2004 05:02
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also the 13BT import motors are getting quite old now so unless you get a really really nice one you would probably want to factor a rebuild into your budget...
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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yeh there goin on 13 years now. but remember japaneese imports are always low kay. because the roads are small there and they arent driven there much. so age wont matter as there almost like new
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Please ppl stop...putting down the SR20 as an disadvantage in term of $$$ or harder to do..or it made by NISSAN. Do the conversion then talk.
anyway here is my opinion on this topics..
setting up a proper 4agte might cost more than doing the SR20 conversion..
eg you basically need 2 engine
1. head of a 4age BIG port (88kw)
2. bottom block of 4agze (the version with oil squirter)
then there are thing that follow
3. custom manifold (not exactly cheap)
4. turbo (depend if you buying used or new)
5. aftermarket ECU
you still have to custom mount...
stronger diff/stronger gear box...etc (all the usual conversion
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PFFFFT! 4agte costing more than an sr20?
4agte:diff and g/box will hold up fine unless you start putting more than (roughly) 160hp atw
sr20: same deal with diff...g/box obviously needs to be changed
aftermarket ecu? not at all...4agze ecu is fine and will allow up to 12 psi without hassles
i'm in the middle of a 4agte conversion...you reckon you'd get an sr in for around 4k? (inc ic, piping, motor, manifold, turbo + labour)
dude people arent knocking the sr for the reasons you mentioned above. Bubbles has asked for advice and been given what best suits his application...as you said you dont need big hp in a sprinter. The sr20 is in the same category as the 3sge when it comes to time & customisation involved....all thats being said is that the 4agte is the cheapest & easiest way to get some hp (barring the 4agze)
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Mon, 24 May 2004 14:37
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Hi Improvedae86...yeah long time haven't log on
still working on the conversion..not long to go...i really can't wait for it to finish..
Hey Improvedae86..i actually don't have an icq account.
anyway back to the thread...
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4agte:diff and g/box will hold up fine unless you start putting more than (roughly) 160hp atw
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Actually what if i want to get more than 160hp
then gearbox/diff...front brake/rear brake need to upgrade
then ECU...
then if you want LSD..then more $$$$$$
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i'm in the middle of a 4agte conversion...you reckon you'd get an sr in for around 4k? (inc ic, piping, motor, manifold, turbo + labour)
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In matter FACT i can. But i don't want this to turn out to be battle between nissan motor/Toyota engine.....which one is cheaper...
Basically it boil down to "IT YOUR OWN DAM CAR"..put whatever engine you want.....
P.S the sr20det backtop + gearbox+ECU+ GTR caliper only cost me $2100..
P.S Yes the 13b engine will shit over the piston engine..also weight less
P.S Yes the CA18DET will be cheaper than the SR20
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Mon, 24 May 2004 14:42
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Oh one more thing...if any of you guys decide to do sr20 conversion...im more than happy to answer any of the query and what i have found out during this conversion of mine 
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Oh one more thing...if any of you guys decide to do sr20 conversion...im more than happy to answer any of the query and what i have found out during this conversion of mine
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How far in can you stick the sr20det engine in, how about the brackets?
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Tue, 25 May 2004 05:58
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So 289188108 ? is your sisters account ? Whos number is this ?
Anyway good to here i all going well , if you get the chance
msn , if your use that instead ae86sprinter2005@hotmail , a few ae86 sr20det people from around the world have been online these last few nights . Lots of the US guys just starting to follow us here
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Re: Finaly:Which engine to get? AE86 sr20det v 13b(non turbo)
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Tue, 25 May 2004 23:09
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Hey Improvedae86....yeah i will add you on my msn when i log on we can chat....yeah i notice quite a few ppl heading toward the sr20 conversion....
NICKAE86
seriously i have sat down and figure the 4agte option and the sr20..in the end the sr20 was cheaper for me.
yes you may not think so..if i was to go the 4agte option
i would need 2 engine, NEW TURBO, custom manifold, custom FMIC...
2 engine set me back $900 assuming i can get each for $450
custom manifold about $900..so far it would be $1800
when the sr20 and wiring and brake caliper only cost me $2100
ANYWAY i will stop commenting regarding this issue.
bubble
you basically have about 2 cm to the firewall (yes not much room there)
the standard gearbox will set your gear stick about 6inch from the standard gear stick....need to drill your car
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