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3TGTE CAMS
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Wed, 11 September 2002 07:11
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Has anyone here played around with the timing of the stock 3TGTE cams? Are aftermarket ones available at reasonable cost or is a regrind the way to go. I am after more top end power.
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Location:
Wichita, Ks, USA
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May 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Wed, 11 September 2002 22:11
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have you tried the bigger turbo option? 
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Location:
Newcastle
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May 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Thu, 12 September 2002 09:34
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Yeah I already have a larger turbo. It's a modified VG30 T3 with a VL turbo exhaust wheel.
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Location:
Wichita, Ks, USA
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May 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Thu, 12 September 2002 20:10
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i'd tried to see if TRD still has any or maybe see if you can find something from a 2tg to use ...I dont know if it'll work but i dont see why not
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Club President
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Sydney
Registered:
May 2002
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 Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Thu, 12 September 2002 23:46
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Tanman,
Mate Turbo cam timing is an Art in itself, Not many people I know have bothered to change there cams. In fact only person I know (other than me) with modded T series Turbo cams is a guy in the states. He uses 2TG cams in his T series Turbo and cracks a low 10 Second Quarter Mile !
You would want to make sure they were timed correctly when installed tho.
Only 2TG cams I have that I would part with are Tina's old Rally cams.
Specs are : Camtech Stage 2 401A Profile, 241 Duration at 50 with 372 Thou Lift.
I'd want $200 tho.
Ray Hall and I were actually discussing cams just this week and his personal opinion is that the best Turbo cam is a Good rally cam so I was thinking of trying these puppies out with a Turbo myself. But hey thats just one more thing on my try it and see list 
Hope that helps,
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Location:
Newcastle
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May 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Fri, 13 September 2002 05:48
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Hey rod,
Would these cams fit a 3TGTE head? If so what condition are they in?
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Club President
I supported Toymods
Location:
Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Fri, 13 September 2002 06:06
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Tanman,
The Cams are in Great condition and were in Tina's car for most of the 2 years it was running. They only cam out when we upgraded to some L1 Cosworth Race cams for the last Dyno Day.
Yes they will fit a 3TGTE head no worries at all. As with any cam swap your shims will almost definatly need to be adjusted.
If your in Sydney Graham Wilkins can machine new Shims to suit.
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Location:
Newcastle
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May 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Fri, 13 September 2002 06:12
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Rod,
$200 sounds fair. If your want to sell them I will be in Sydney sometime during the month.
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Location:
Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Fri, 13 September 2002 08:46
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what makes a cam a 'rally' cam??
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Location:
Tasmania
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May 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Fri, 13 September 2002 16:03
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I am guessing a Rally cam gives good all round power. Less than maximum posiable power, but a bit more torque in the mid range and more drivable, but still wilder than a standard cam. Because rally can be stop and start, and while you are generaly "pedal to the metal", you don't want it to bog down in sharp corners too much. Is that right?
And because turbo engines work better with standard cams, they should work better with rally cams than with full duration race cams.
I have heard with a N/A engine, they can work well when the inlet cam has more duration than the exhaust, like 304/288. And with a turbo aplication, you can use the longer duration cam on the exhaust side, like 256/288?
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Club President
I supported Toymods
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Mon, 16 September 2002 00:58
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Tanman,
Please drop me an email or give me a call to arrange a time and date.
thetoyman75@hotmail.com
0416 181 284
TE72-Turbo,
A "rally" cam typically is very much how Johnny described. A Rally cam is all about obtaining the best Useable power not the Highest possible output. In a Rally car or track car you will have all sorts of parts of the track that need a good midrange power. These particular cams have really nice strong RPM band of power. In Tinas they pulled nicely from around the 2500 - 6200 RPM mark. That way you have a nice fat powerband but it is at the expence of "peak" power.
A Cam for the Qtr mile or all out Horsepower will have No bottom end next to no mid range and a Narrow power band at High RPM. Once your in the powerband its great but you don't want to have to climb to it more than once  Kinda like waiting for a Big turbo to kick in but then finding out it wasn't worth the wait 
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Club President
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Mon, 16 September 2002 01:05
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Oh and as for rally cams in Turbo Engines... There are a few schools of thought Much like the varing theories of High compression /low boost verses Big Boost /lowish compression.
However according to Ray Hall his personal preference is indeed a good rally cam. He said something to colourful to write here about what most cam grinders provide. Then went on to say that as a rule of thumb when using a N/A set of cams on a Turbo engine add 1000Rpm to the powerband. Ie, On a 3TGTE Tina's cams wil in theory be in the powerband from 3500 - 7200 RPm which seemed pretty bloody good to me ! In fact I was kinda hopeing noone bought them so I could try em out myself in an upcoming project
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Location:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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March 2004
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Thu, 15 April 2004 21:34
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I was doing some searching and im well late on this post, however for future reference, you CAN NOT use a 2tg intake cam in a 3tg head unless you are running after market ignition system and no dizzy, the factory 3tgteu intake cam has a drive for the dizzy which the 2tg cam does not have.
Regards
Logan
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Registered:
November 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Fri, 16 April 2004 12:41
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| tanman wrote on Wed, 11 September 2002 17:11 |
Has anyone here played around with the timing of the stock 3TGTE cams? Are aftermarket ones available at reasonable cost or is a regrind the way to go. I am after more top end power.
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What sort of power are you after? Unless its over 200kw at the wheels then I wouldn't waste money on cams. You can get this sort of power using stock cams. Better option is pistons, turbo, intake plenum, exhaust manifold, intercooler etc.
Simon
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November 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Fri, 16 April 2004 12:43
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BTW, Sean Moloney sells regorund cams to suit the 3T GTE. I think they sell for around $600.
Simon
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Location:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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March 2004
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Sat, 17 April 2004 06:46
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Im after decent horsepower, I already have ROSS racing forged pistons, shotpeening, stress relived rods, etc, new bearings etc etc,balanced.
Im actually going to run a 2tgeu head (88261) with a vg30 T3 turbo, link computer, custom plenum, fmic.
The motor was in my ke25 corrolla, but the bearings gave up, so its in the works at the moment, and yess 200kw would be bloody nice...
Logan
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October 2004
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Tue, 05 October 2004 05:35
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Does Sean moloney still sell those 3tg cams if so how can i get in contact and what r the specs of the new cams
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
August 2003
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Tue, 05 October 2004 05:47
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Try giving him a call on +61 (3) 9428-5277
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Registered:
October 2004
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Wed, 06 October 2004 00:52
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Thanks for the no ill give him a ring
Cheers
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Location:
Aucks NZ
Registered:
June 2002
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Re: 3TGTE CAMS
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Fri, 17 December 2004 21:46
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jumping in late again...
anyone tried 2tg cams in a 3tgte head (aftermarket ign)
or someone done complete std 2tg head on 3tgte with any success... or does anyone have a good idea if the n/a 2tg cams will be suitable for turboing? curious to see if they produce more power without too much overlap etc... cheap mods
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