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black betty
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6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 07:53

have just acquired stolen recovered 7m g/e supra with decent engine/ 5 spd as its just sitting in my garage and i have no deadline timewise i want to create a cheap throttle body set-up have heard of people in US using bike ITBs i.e. GSXR-1000 with 40-45mm inlets cheap off e-ba y apparently has anyone on here done anything similar?? what sort of fuel/ignition set-up have you been using? (microtech?) how did you fabricate inlet manifold brackets for the TB's?? any advice would be greatly appreciated [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 07:57

Very interested also, bumpety bump [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 08:01

talk to ed_ma61 or gianttomato watch out for ed, he is a dodgey mofo [Updated on: Wed, 30 June 2004 08:02] [Report message to a moderator]

black betty
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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 08:18

also stories of 3 cylinder snowmobile throttle bodies- they have machinings to run warm oil through them quite large inlets- i.e. 45-50mm they reckon you can run water through them instead when used on cars to keep the air temps down anyone know much about these? [Updated on: Wed, 30 June 2004 08:19] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 08:41

Making the manifold is simple enough. Just use the bottom half of the intake manifold. Make a plate with your six ITBs spaced out. Cut and shut the individual runners in the manifold to try and space them out so they match the ITB spacing. Weld this plate to the bottom half of the now modified manifold. Machine an angle on the plate so that the fuel rail can be secured. Machine all your 'flat' surfaces flat (the welding warps them). Enjoy. I am using an aftermarket ECU to control mine. I am just using the TPS to determine load but you could be a little more sophisticated and run individual lines to a central cannister and run a MAP sensor there, or you could even enclose everything in a tightly sealed airbox and run an air flow meter (something like a Karmann-Vortex might be nice rather than a flap type AFM). I wouldn't even bother doing this without an aftermarket ECU. I think some of those bike ones are actually quite small - 36mm is a number I remember but not sure what bike they were off. One guy on here wants to put them on a 1UZ - chat to "onejayzed". [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 09:55

i concur - motorbike t/b's on the wole are VERY small... 34-38mm etc. there are some around 41mm, and another again around the 45mm mark, but these are very hard to find, let alone 6 of the fuckers. tip - keep an eye out for rb26dett throttle bodies. 45mm, there's 6 of them, and the linkages are already done for you also - i have a spare 7m lower manifold you can have to bugger around with and cut up if you like, $20inc shipping to canberra ps - im no a dodgy bastard, thanks glen [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 09:59

And yes I have dug up that spare 2JZ manifold - it's sitting in the garage beside the Crown which has been receiving all my attention. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice

Wed, 30 June 2004 10:13

gianttomato wrote on Wed, 30 June 2004 19:59

And yes I have dug up that spare 2JZ manifold - it's sitting in the garage beside the Crown which has been receiving all my attention.

PM snob!

**hmmmppphhhhh**

Laughing

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BlackSupra
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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 10:15

haha 7m bashing time hey ed [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 11:53

as long as im still beating you, dude... [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 11:55

haha and all the this time ive said the 2jz would kick the 7m... so finally you come across [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice

Wed, 30 June 2004 15:46

BlackSupra wrote on Wed, 30 June 2004 21:55

so finally you come across Razz

accross and beyond....

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 22:20

Another alternative for cheap TB's are old side draft carbies, if you look hard enough, you can probably get 3 40mm solex's for free.... [Report message to a moderator]

black betty
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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 22:42

many thanks all for your responses ed-ma61- interested in spare manifold PM sent whas a rb26dett- is that skyline? if so is that from the AWD one or do the 2wd ones have them also?? [Updated on: Wed, 30 June 2004 22:47] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Wed, 30 June 2004 23:13

Only the Skyline GTR's have the RB26DETT. And Ed, what's this about you "beating" Glenn? I seem to recall a certain 2JZ-GE Supra piking at the Toyota Nationals. [Report message to a moderator]

black betty
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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 03:07

anyone know if 6 cylinder BMW M cars such as m3 and m5 have throttle bodies like the Nissan? if so which would be easire to get a hold of the nissan or bmw ones?? [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 03:28

M3 engines have had ITB's for a while now. I imagine they'd be difficult to get and probably cost an arm and a leg, but I've never gone looking for anything like that so don't take my word for it. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 03:56

nissan ones are easier to find due to fulsikbro's 'upgrading' to single large throttle bodies and thus ditching the ITBs not too many folks ripping M3 engines apart... [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 07:25

No, I can't imagine too many M3 ITBs being removed for the d0riftofulsikbro big single throttle body. That said I have never looked but I just can't imagine them being cheap. It's an interesting progression - "Can I use ITBs from a chainsaw motor?" to "Can I use ITBs from an incredibly expensive Euro sports car?" If you are prepared to do your own work and be a little ingenious, dead Solexes or Webers will make an excellent basis (here is a link for you). Or you could do Ed's thing which is to use GTR throttle bodies. Or $1700 will get you everything you need to do ITBs for a 6 from Speed Technology. Or you could try Injection Perfection or even Motec. [Updated on: Thu, 01 July 2004 07:38] [Report message to a moderator]

BlackSupra
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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 07:35

oh and norbie its a 7M that piked. The 2J was proudly on show. Ed has finally decieded that the 7m was a waste of time and the governments money, and has made the move to a platform that he can finally modify effectively. I shall see you all at dyno day...no pikers now. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 07:42

i believe the 7mge was also proudly on show (for a brief time) and was recognised in that short time to dominate the 2jzge with such sufficiency that i happily retired the girl for the rest of the weekend and for the record, im sure as shit not 'happy' with the 2jz by any means, it just offers, hmmm, 2 features that i can utilse in modification more easily than the 7m... the engine i have in mind will ultimately resemble very little of your precious 2jz so much so that i dare say it will pay significant homage to its 7m roots [Updated on: Thu, 01 July 2004 07:55] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 07:45

so effectivly ed is destroying a perfectly decent 2j with 3s bits EDIT:And my guess is bigger valves and a metal headgasket. [Updated on: Thu, 01 July 2004 07:47] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 07:47

keep fishing big boy... and that whole 3s idea btw - complete SHIT!! whoever spent 2 whole miliseconds contemplating it doesnt know shit about engine dynamics [Report message to a moderator]

BlackSupra
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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 07:50

stock bottom end good for 600hp? [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice

Thu, 01 July 2004 07:54

BlackSupra wrote on Thu, 01 July 2004 17:45

And my guess is bigger valves and a metal headgasket.

wrong again...

ill give you a hint about 1 though::

http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=getfile&id=5311&rid=92&S=9cedaddd10e823383283f778b39fa99c

(ps - as if a stock mhg is a feature id take advantage of)

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BlackSupra
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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 07:55

big mofo cams [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 07:57

sigh - wrong again [Report message to a moderator]

BlackSupra
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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 07:58

valve springs, retainers and buckets 10,000rpm? [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 07:58

bzzzzzzzzzzzzztttt [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 08:01

hmmm, i was a little harsh on the cam call perhaps. not mofo cams rev limited to 7500rpm still requires 31mm buckets (vs 7m 28mm) <---- one advantage still requires SUB lifters [Report message to a moderator]

BlackSupra
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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 08:04

vvti [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 08:10

ahhh glen... give up dude teh 2JZ-GED can nevah lose phear me!! gotta think outta the box if you want +100nm/L & +100hp/L and still explode outta the gates with just a blip of the throttle torque (something youre not familiar with?) [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 08:31

2JZGED?? D?? [Updated on: Thu, 01 July 2004 08:32] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 08:32

2jz-ged [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 08:34

2JZGEDISGHEY. that is all. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 08:34

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice

Thu, 01 July 2004 08:47

ed_ma61 wrote on Thu, 01 July 2004 16:32

2jz-ged

2jz-ged_ma61 ??

[Updated on: Thu, 01 July 2004 08:48]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 11:06

haha nice 1 ed i take it ull be at dyno day? (even if nothing more than to say hi) [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 11:35

whens dyno day? im in dubbo still, and will be here for 3 more painful weeks [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Thu, 01 July 2004 11:48

its on sunday so im taking that as a no dubbo that bad hey? or just dragin on? [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Fri, 02 July 2004 02:25

yeah i'm trying to adapt my Kawasaki GPz1100R 35mmØ individual TBs to mu 1UZ. the graet thing is the TBs come with a throttle position sensor. i will have to blank off the GPz injectors though, as the 1UZFE injectors are in the lower half of the manifold. i'll be unbolting the top half of the manifold and making an adaptor plate to suit the individual ports of the lower half of the manifold. throttle linkages shouldn't be that hard either. first i have to get it up and running though! i'm STILL playing around with my rack and pinion steering - damn winter rain [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Fri, 02 July 2004 02:56

bah... i swear i just typed this anyway... you may find youre better off utilisting the GPz injector mounts on the tb's as opposed to the manifold mounted position. youll get better air/fuel mix homogenuity with resultant inrease in torque. only a little, but every improvement adds up. cheers ed [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Fri, 02 July 2004 03:23

Hmmmmmm do they make any Bike TB's like the flat slide carbies.... A complete unobstructed inlet @WOT. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: 6 cylinder n/a individual throttle bodies advice	Fri, 02 July 2004 04:26

4 cylinder lhd bmw m3's (1980's) used motor bike type slide ITB's with FI again unlikely to find any in the breakers! [Report message to a moderator]

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