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icon5.gif  twinky or ST162 wot should i get Sun, 18 July 2004 08:18 Go to next message
Hey im new to this forum. i was just wondering wot would be better to start with.
im interested in keeping up with my mates type R integra and doing a bit of track work.

my thoughts were to put a 100kw 4age into a twinky and use a lightened flywheel,wolf 3d, extractors, after market cams and a c56 box. Very Happy

or

st162 with a gen 3 130kw 3sge with the same mods. Evil or Very Mad

plus about $2000 into the suspension of both.

since both cars have diff weights and handling which would be the better car to start with.

thanx
oli

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Re: twinkyVsST162 Sun, 18 July 2004 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ae111 gze into an ae82 rolla would be my choice if it has to be FWD.

GZE into AE71 would prob be my choice if it didn't have to be FWD.
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Re: twinkyVsST162 Sun, 18 July 2004 09:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If money's no object then put a Beams 3SGE into an ST162 and spend a couple of grand on handling.

It will have more power and torque stock than you'll get out of a GZE without going turbo (which wouldn't be the best option for track racing anyway - IMO).

Anyone know the quoted weight of the ST162? AE82 should be around 1000kg from memory?

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Re: twinkyVsST162 Sun, 18 July 2004 09:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
whats a beams 3sge sorry but i am a bit of a newby.

oh and i forgot id rather not go for turbo or supercharger as i love the sound of n/a cars roaring up to red line Evil or Very Mad and also prefer not to have sudden turbo boost halfway through a corner on a fwd specially if im going for a fang through galston gorge or the comenarra parkway (sorry about spelling)
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Re: twinkyVsST162 Sun, 18 July 2004 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ok just 1 thing i assume a twinky is a rolla?..and the weight of a 162 is about 1150kg
good luck man..
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Re: twinkyVsST162 Sun, 18 July 2004 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
It's a late model 3SGE that was used in the Altezza RS200 in Japan (and from what I've been reading possibly the last of the MR2s?). It has VVT-i (Variable Valve Timing-intelligent) and produces 200 horsepower and 21.0kg-m of torque.

Here's a pic of one swapped into an SW20 MR2:
http://www.tuning.cz/lander/images/swap/14.jpg Very Happy
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Re: twinkyVsST162 Sun, 18 July 2004 09:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sik sx wrote on Sun, 18 July 2004 19:48

and the weight of a 162 is about 1150kg

Ouch! Heavy bastards Shocked

Oh well.. nothing a bit of weight reduction can't fix if it's going to be used on the track Wink
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Re: twinkyVsST162 Sun, 18 July 2004 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
oh yeah i remember now thanx lucid.
i plan to spend a bit of money but its about 8000 for a beams the last i heard and thats tooooooo much. Sad

yeah ill be stripping out the interior and all that i want that race car feel even if its a daily driven weekend worrior(i used to have a low, loud escort 2lt with rock hard racing suspenion allround Evil or Very Mad )
so i dont mind the fact it will be uncomfortable. im looking to spend around 10,000 after buying it. and ill be doing the work myself so ill save money on that to.

now all i need to do is find the right car for the right price and get my license back heheehheeh.
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Re: twinky or ST162 wot should i get Sun, 18 July 2004 23:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
both sound good, but i dont think ur goin to kill an integra type R in either.

if u want track raceing, non forced induction, and like to rev an engine hard, consider the 20v 4age into an ae82. the 4age series is a great engine series, and weight reduction in the slightest form will help HEAPS because these engines dont have much torque, and are held back because of their lack of power down low to get the car moving in the first place.

a lightened ae82 twincam with a 20V and mods to it, including weight reduction will definetly haul serious ass, and ur integra type R buddy will definetly have to get use to seeing ur tail lights. the 20v engine will rev just as high as his honda vtec engine without any concerns.

just a thought.
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Re: twinky or ST162 wot should i get Mon, 19 July 2004 01:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
For the price, it'd probably be easier to get to get a better power/weight with an AE82 with say a 20v. Having said that, based on the reviews of them, the ST162 would be the better handling package.

Personally, my pick would be an ST162 with the 130kW 3SGE with an MR2 Turbo LSD gearbox.
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Re: twinky or ST162 wot should i get Mon, 19 July 2004 03:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The beams is GOD. Stock form has more power than a Type R... but that damn vtec... i dont know of ne one with a beams so i dont know if it will b faster... but its the great 3sge... so u cant really go wrong

Im pretty sure that the higher priced ones are for the RWD with the 6spd box.
I was once quoted 4300 for the redtop.
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Re: twinky or ST162 wot should i get Mon, 19 July 2004 06:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thanx guys uve been a great help and have given me some food for thought. Very Happy
im still trying to make up my mind but its all good ive got until dec 16 when i get my license back.
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Re: twinky or ST162 wot should i get Tue, 17 August 2004 11:25 Go to previous message
prolly sound like an idiot... can't people decinde what they want by themselves... it really shits me... test drive both and see what you like better...simple
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