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What would you buy PERFORMANCE wise?
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Mon, 26 July 2004 08:40
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Just contemplating what i will get for my next car,
Im thinking WRX, S15, or RZ supra.
What would you buy out of those three purely with performance in mind?
Thanks,
Scott
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Mon, 26 July 2004 08:44
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s15/supra
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Mon, 26 July 2004 08:45
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S15 fo' shizzle!
I wouldn't even think about the other 2.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 08:47
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i'd buy an ae86
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Mon, 26 July 2004 08:49
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S15 FOR SURE NO DOUBT BOUT IT... have you seen those things drift? the power? the mods abilities?
MATE forget everything else!!!! i know this is a toy forum but F!@k IT 
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:21
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The JZA80. Hands down.
It 0wnz the other two in every way.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:24
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| Nark wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 19:21 |
The JZA80. Hands down.
It 0wnz the other two in every way.
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Ahem..... You reckon?
Ploise exploin..... (Just curious as to your reasoning).
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:37
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they all have their pros and cons...
Pros:
S15 - Shitloads of aftermarket parts, Proven formula, easy to extract power from, Aus delivered
WRX - Great handling, AWD, Launches hard, Aus delivered
Supra - Looks, can make BIG POWAH, RWD
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S15 - Not sure if i wanna drift, not very roomy
WRX - Every1 has one, Insurance is soo expensive, harder to extract power from, drivetrain not so strong when making bigger numbers
Supra - Import means Insurance higher, heavy and wide
I have more finer points lol, but thats them in general.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:38
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Yeah, I guess we are all replying based on what WE would want. Really depends on what you will use it for.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:42
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well... i want all 3 hahaha, hence y i wanted your opinions!
Im leaning towards s15 over the wrx and am almost ready to discard the supra...
the wrx appeals to me as its 4 doors and pretty quick stock..
the s15 cos its rwd, looks good and can be lots of fun
I hate loving cars so much lol
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:44
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supra 
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:46
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what... and trade in the ENZO
s15
the others are too dated
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:52
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go the s15
the can support 300 horsies (reportedly) with stock internals, have a shite load of aftermarket parts, look PHAT, dont break that many gear boxes (s14 gearbox is stronger and is easy 2 fit even tho u only have 5 gears instaid of 6) and are the cheapest to get screamin out of those 3.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:59
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wrx's dont handle as well as most people think, yes they are good, but nothing to really brag about. S15's have always been a fav, good for lots of stuff and can easily deliver power. The supra you dont have to spend much money on to get good power (if its the newer shape) but are a lil chunky for my liking....
i would go S15 or maybe the Supra, but i wouldnt go the wrx...in the end, its up to you buddy!
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Mon, 26 July 2004 10:52
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Out of those I'd be picking the Supra, lot less of them, they have a commanding presence neither of the other two can manage.
They handle well, stop well, go well and the interior is built around the driver.
Meh, but thats just me.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 10:53
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s15 all the way
coz they can go sideways like this:
(yes hes got his door open... silly kazama-san)
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Mon, 26 July 2004 10:59
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well my long term plans as of right now are to get a supra next, so ill vote supra. s15 is pretty much just as good (better in some ways, not in others), but it just doesnt fit with my plans.
subi, questionable drive train reliability. cos i know if i had a 4wd, id be giving that area of the car a hard time. and theyre not really that handsome are they. and the traffic light GP really doesnt mean that much to me.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 11:43
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Check out the dude at the bottom of that pic hahhaha 
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Mon, 26 July 2004 11:45
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| TokenBlackGuy wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 21:43 |
Check out the dude at the bottom of that pic hahhaha
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its called a wigga TBG
hahah
its the guy who went to japan and took the photos
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Mon, 26 July 2004 12:42
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| AE86slut wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 19:24 |
| Nark wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 19:21 |
The JZA80. Hands down.
It 0wnz the other two in every way.
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Ahem..... You reckon?
Ploise exploin..... (Just curious as to your reasoning).
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It's faster in a straight line.
Faster around a track.
Faster to stop.
Was compared to 911s in its heyday (and won because of ability, not price).
Is built better.
Has a modern engine, not one that still has rockers.
Has more power.
Has more potential for shitloads of power.
Has huge gobs of torque.
Has the best inline 6 in the world after the M3 engine.
Do I need to continue?
What's good about an S15? People drift them.
WRXies are right out of the question, unless you want a car that handles like shit.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 14:15
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If it was a performance-only buy, the Supra would be my choice every time. From a sensibility point of view, the S15 is the way to go and still provides very very good performance.
Despite being a Toyota forum, you are asking the sik-bro drifter crowd who think Sprinters are performance cars, so you were bound to get a swath of people saying teh S15 can nevar loose.
S15 is definitely a lovely machine though, and given the money it would still be a close call with the Mk4.
The WRX doesn't even come close unless you're talking STi... and that extra money spent on the other cars would make them far better again.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 15:53
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supra all the way with all reasons nark said
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Tue, 27 July 2004 03:53
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Agreed, Nark and 7M-Brisbane have summed it up beatuifully.
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Tue, 27 July 2004 04:01
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If you have to ask the question, you don't deserve a Supra. Go and buy the Datsun, and feel free to "drift" it into a pole. 
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Tue, 27 July 2004 04:03
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| 7M-Brisbane wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 00:15 |
Despite being a Toyota forum, you are asking the sik-bro drifter crowd who think Sprinters are performance cars, so you were bound to get a swath of people saying teh S15 can nevar loose..
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I wouldn't be generalising like that man..... As per my previous post, we are answering based on what we would personally want. I have driven both S15 (stock) AND Supra (moderate to high tune) and personally liked the S15 a whole lot more.
I reckon it's about the whole experience when driving a car, part of which is feeling like you are moving fast - which, due to it's size and weight, just didn't happen with the Supra.
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Tue, 27 July 2004 04:18
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| AE86slut wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 14:03 |
I reckon it's about the whole experience when driving a car, part of which is feeling like you are moving fast - which, due to it's size and weight, just didn't happen with the Supra.
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Cars with great flat torque curves tend to feel sluggish when in fact they're not.
But I agree with you. The one bad thing about the JZA80 is that it's too heavy. The S15 is a lot more "chuckable".
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Tue, 27 July 2004 04:20
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How many people here who say that 'WRXs handle like shit' have actually driven one?
Their handling isn't completely their strong point, but generally they are an exceptionally balanced car (good weight management), and they have AWESOME traction compared to the other two pieces o' junk There are obvious reasons for that! Having said that, the newer ones are apparently not as good handling as the my00 and my99 etc...
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Tue, 27 July 2004 04:25
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Yes, the torque curve is great, but if it dulls the experience...
The Supra can weigh over 1,500 kgs.... The S15, about 1,250.
Your comment about chuckability is my main reason for rating the S15 higher. A car should be fun to drive. I am not saying the Supra is not fun to drive, I just think for an everyday/occasional track car, the S15 fits the bill very nicely. If I were to build a dedicated track car, had the same choice and a big budget, I would build a Supra without a doubt.
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Tue, 27 July 2004 04:38
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| AE86slut wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 14:25 |
Yes, the torque curve is great, but if it dulls the experience...
The Supra can weigh over 1,500 kgs.... The S15, about 1,250.
Your comment about chuckability is my main reason for rating the S15 higher. A car should be fun to drive. I am not saying the Supra is not fun to drive, I just think for an everyday/occasional track car, the S15 fits the bill very nicely. If I were to build a dedicated track car, had the same choice and a big budget, I would build a Supra without a doubt.
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I agree. I had a decision once: I could buy a JZA80 but I'd have to sell my car.
I couldn't do it, 'coz I'd miss throuing my car around too much.
You just can't do that with a JZA80 unless you were on a track. It's just not the sort of car you can throw around without browning your pants... 
But still, saying that. I've had a time when I had to make a decision whether to buy an S15 once too and decided against it 'coz I couldn't stand the knowledge that it had such an old engine (in terms of design) in it. 
Both cars have their bad points. The one thing in favour of the JZA80 is that you have the knowledge that you can rip everything out of it to make it lighter.... Now *that* would be uber-cool...
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Tue, 27 July 2004 05:44
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How much would these cars b worth ????
like what price range . I have a friend who is looking at buying a new car and would like 2 help him make the right choice
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Tue, 27 July 2004 06:00
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Supra, S15 close second.
Supra because of the quality, the fact that you can get a reliable 600-800hp out of the engine just with a big turbo (ie keeping stock internals), sure the S15 probably has a few less kgs but I question the build quality of Nissans, and especially the electrical stuff... but that's just me.
Plus it's a 4cyl...
Plus there are a lot of S15s on the road.
But look at the reasons above.
Horsepower-wise, to get the same out of a Nissan, you're going to spend a lot more than with the Supra, that's a well-known fact.
You make the decision.
WRX?
No.
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Tue, 27 July 2004 06:01
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Oh you ever seen the video of the JUN Supra drifting around the track?
1000hp/1000ft.lbs
Incredible.
I'd like to see a Silvia do that.
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Tue, 27 July 2004 06:04
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buy an m3 bmw early 90s
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Tue, 27 July 2004 06:12
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| Beer_is_good wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 16:00 |
you can get a reliable 600-800hp out of the engine just with a big turbo
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Mate, of course it is easier to get big numbers from the Supra - it's 1L bigger and a 6, but it aint THAT easy.....
I'm not really too sure that thug_immortal is wanting 600-800 hp anyways....
And as for the JUN Supra, I have seen Sivlia's doing similar stuff.
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Tue, 27 July 2004 06:29
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Easy compared to head work plus new bottom end, gearbox, and probably diff in the Nissan, but yes I'm meaning relatively speaking.
I just love straight sixes... and yes another 1L in engine capacity helps... but that's kinda the point.
And don't get me wrong, 600-800hp would still cost a bucketload, I'm not that naive...
Let the thug decide.
And hope he doesn't go to... the dark side.
And (as everybody knows) a Supra is a tourer not a dorift-mobile... so yes it does depend what he wants.
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Tue, 27 July 2004 06:37
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| AE86slut wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 16:12 |
And as for the JUN Supra, I have seen Sivlia's doing similar stuff.
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RESTECP teh JUN dorift!
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Tue, 27 July 2004 06:57
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you say if i have to ask the question then i dont deserve the supra, i own an ma70 now and love it, and would love to get an jza80... but looking at it now, i think its too impractical.
for starters, its an import and insurance will be a killer, seccondly its HUGE and im over the lard ass cars, they just aint as fun. thirdly i want an allround car, looks, performance, reliability, be able to take it on the track, maybe throw it sideways and take it to the dragstrip to get some times.
I know the wrx isnt newhere near the other two, but its a 4 door and thats appealing to me as ive only ever had 2 door cvars and had to squeeze people in the back. It looks like i will be crossing to the dark side depending on a few test drives but to me, it looks like the nissan is in front. It may be old engine technology but its worked MANY times before and has a HUGE following, as does the other cars.
The next few weeks will tell as to what i will decide on, and i will let you all know what it is.
As to what these cars are worth, look around the 30k+ mark and there is your price.
Thanks to everyone, just good to get peoples scope on things
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Tue, 27 July 2004 07:19
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| thug_immortal wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 16:57 |
It may be old engine technology but its worked MANY times before and has a HUGE following
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I've heard the same from the V8 brigade.
Really, at the end of the day, it's your choice. Our opinions don't really mean much because your set of requirements are different from ours.
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Tue, 27 July 2004 07:26
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WRX, don't care what anyone else says as its my choice but as for a Toyota performance wise a Supra
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Tue, 27 July 2004 07:29
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If you are that keen on a 4 door car buy an xr6.
4 doors and an inline 6 engine, i don't think you could get a turbo model for 30k, but you could get a nice late AU or maybe an early BA model for that price.
Just a thought...
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Tue, 27 July 2004 07:32
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yeah xr6t is nice, but i only really like the ute, but once again they are heavy and large at all points..
I do like the thought that the xr6t will run 11's with the APS stage 3 kit attached (it could be stage 4...not sure on that one) and also hit 300km/h
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:22
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ive got a good idea
keep the bloody ma70
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:31
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standard wrx is suprisingly underpowered - my ma61 beats the pants off them every time. JZA80 would be my personal choice....
For you, you need to tell us what you're gonna do.
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Tue, 27 July 2004 11:28
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| thug_immortal wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 16:57 |
for starters, its an import and insurance will be a killer, seccondly its HUGE and im over the lard ass cars, they just aint as fun. thirdly i want an allround car, looks, performance, reliability, be able to take it on the track, maybe throw it sideways and take it to the dragstrip to get some times.
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Well, the insurance for either of the car will be huge because they are all turbo'ed performance cars. I doubt the insurance for an RZ Supra is much more in comparison to the S15 or Rex.
The Supra would also be good for any of the criteria you listed but perhaps not drag racing (terribly slow takeoff). They can drift well with some good customized suspension too. Not to mention being the best looking car of the lot.
The RZ would be my choice, followed closely by the Nissan.
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Thu, 29 July 2004 05:31
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 14:01 |
If you have to ask the question, you don't deserve a Supra. Go and buy the Datsun, and feel free to "drift" it into a pole.
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Amen! Supra all the way! ^ Speed box's in the S15 are weak, my friend blew 4 of them, with only 250rwkw, another friend has a JZA80, with 398rwkw, drives it everyday to work, stock internals, Stock gearbox, brakes, and it has no problems whats so ever. Heck, it was running 320rwkw with the stock ECU, but running lean!
Ohh, and id take a 2JZGTE over an M3 motor! Biased opinion of course
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| draven wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 20:31 |
standard wrx is suprisingly underpowered - my ma61 beats the pants off them every time. JZA80 would be my personal choice....
For you, you need to tell us what you're gonna do.
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what is the performance figures for a stocko ma61 and a stocko WRX which is the quicker? I have never driven a ma61 so can't really comment here but would like to know? 
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They have absolutely no grip at the front. Push even moderately hard and they understeer.
By the time you *can* get on the power in a WRX, the S15 and JZA80 would be in the distance because they would have started putting down their power way beforehand.
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There's a reason I used the word 'traction'...handling, traction and grip are all slightly different things, you are bitching about the cars handling (suspension related), and it's grip (tyre related) however I was praising neither of them...I'm saying it gets it's power down on the ground without slipping WAY better than the other two because it's AWD and the others are RWD (a result of the tractive effort being more evenly distributed amond the fours wheels and tyre grip). Try driving each of them in the wet and you'll see what I mean! Personally I find that the WRX is not as bad an 'understeerer' as people say, it's a bit of a myth, I've heard the 'understeer' in a WRX being compared to the kind of understeer you get in stock JZAs - it's just JZAs aren't as big flamebait as WRXs. Sure you can oversteer a JZA really nicely - but that's more than likely just a result of not pushing the front end hard enough through the corner and hence who is to say which one comes out faster at the start of the straight bits
I must stress though that I haven't driven a JZA so you can COMPLETELY ignore that last part if you so wish, it's only what I've heard.
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Thu, 29 July 2004 14:39
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Draven - you aren't talking about a stock MA61 vs stock WRX?
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I'm with FWDBoy here.
Having owned 3 AWD subies in the past, including an import Legacy GT wagon, I can't say the handling is that bad.
You've just got to remember that its a front wheel drive with rear wheel assist, and adapt you've driving style to suit. ie slow in, fast out
The only mods I did to the suspension on mine was a set of 2" lowered springs, with stock springs & swaybars.
With that I would confidently pick my corner speed by getting the advisery sign speed, doubling it, then adding ANOTHER 20KM/H!
I still haven't matched this in the Caldina, despite replacing the entire suspension. Others on this forum can attest to how fast I drive round corners.
Gearboxes & synchros only break because of hamfisted drivers who want to do clutch dumps at 6000rpm.
The clutch is a weak point, but you've got to have something that'll slip otherwise you start breaking other stuff, like gearboxes.
Can't comment on the other 2, but I'd have the Supra over the S15, it communicates better the transistion to oversteer instead of being on/off boost.
But that's just me.
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Re: What would you buy PERFORMANCE wise?
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| mick wrote on Thu, 29 July 2004 17:01 |
what is the performance figures for a stocko ma61 and a stocko WRX which is the quicker? I have never driven a ma61 so can't really comment here but would like to know?
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I don't have the figures for a stock MA61, but having owned three of them I can tell you they struggle to keep up with a stock Excel. A WRX will absolutely blow it away without even trying.
Draven was talking about his MA61, which is far from stock and may or may not have a pair of turbos under the bonnet.
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Re: What would you buy PERFORMANCE wise?
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Fri, 30 July 2004 12:39
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| Norbie wrote on Fri, 30 July 2004 20:31 |
| mick wrote on Thu, 29 July 2004 17:01 |
what is the performance figures for a stocko ma61 and a stocko WRX which is the quicker? I have never driven a ma61 so can't really comment here but would like to know?
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I don't have the figures for a stock MA61, but having owned three of them I can tell you they struggle to keep up with a stock Excel. A WRX will absolutely blow it away without even trying.
Draven was talking about his MA61, which is far from stock and may or may not have a pair of turbos under the bonnet.
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r ok now i understand
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Re: What would you buy PERFORMANCE wise?
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Fri, 30 July 2004 16:57
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dravens ma61, unless there is something severely wrong with it should smash the tits off a wrx
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Admittedly though, the 911 outperformed it in every single arena bar price.