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160kw 4AGZE?
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Fri, 23 July 2004 13:22
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I've seen a AE92 4AGZE for sale round my area and writen on the window is 4AGZE, 160kw so I went up and talked to him and he said he had dyno sheet somewhere.
So anyway my question is would that be 160kw at the flywheel or 160kw at the wheels?
And how much difference would an 8 pound pully make rather then the standard pully on the 4A?
I know these questions are probably pretty stupid, but hey I need answers 
Cheers
Chris
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Location:
Newcastle
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May 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Fri, 23 July 2004 13:55
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my guess is the flywheel, it would hve to have had some serious work to punch out 160kw at the wheels.. as for an 8pound pulley kit... well absolutly no difference as they already have one stock.
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Location:
NSW - Blue Mountains
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June 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Fri, 23 July 2004 14:21
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Unless it was 160hp, but im 99.9% sure it said 160kw
as for the pully shows ya I know F!@# all about superchargers
Thanks for the help
Cheers
Chris
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Location:
Potts Point, Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Fri, 23 July 2004 14:24
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If it was 160HP then thats about 120kW which isnt bad. But if it is 160kW, it'd have to have some major shit done to it like chris said....then again, it might be a 4agte 
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I supported Toymods
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Plumpton/sydney
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November 2003
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Fri, 23 July 2004 14:24
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It depends on the dyno operator to he can configure a dyno to give false readings just ask the guy at dyno day 9 with the 300zx that had 250rwkw but could only get 180 
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Location:
NSW - Blue Mountains
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June 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 02:41
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yeah probably did go to some dodgy dyno tester
If it was 160kw at the flywheel how would ya find out the kw at the wheels without spending more money on another dyno run?
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Location:
Potts Point, Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 02:46
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You normally lose about 15-20% going from the flywheel to the wheels, so it'd be about 130kW at the wheels
Correct me if im worng
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 02:58
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a dyno gives numbers at the wheels so if he said he has 160kw at the flywheel that would be an estimate from the dyno run which would say about 125rwkw ish I would say in a FWD.
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Location:
NSW - Blue Mountains
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June 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 03:05
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Thats not too bad then, thinking of buying it now but I dont realy know what problems I should look for within the engine
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Location:
NSW - Blue Mountains
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June 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 06:54
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I talked to the owner again and he said it was 160kw at the wheels.
What type of mods would have to be done to it to get a kw reading that good from it?
And is there any difference in with the top and front mount intercoolers?
Cheers
Chris
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Location:
Ballarat, Vic.
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September 2002
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 07:09
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Filter
Zorst
computer
pulley
cams
Other stuff that i can't think of at the moment.
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Location:
Potts Point, Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 07:29
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how many psi is the supercharger running at?
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April 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 07:51
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Sounds like another FWD corolla owneer with little idea and his hand firmly wrapped around his little peepee.
A 4agze ( standard supercharger ) with after market ecu, filter, exhaust and a 12psi pully will make 110kw's at the wheels max. Thats with work done on the motor. Usually they make between 90kw's and 105kw's at the wheels.
Anyone claiming otherwise has wanked blind.
Put a 1ggze supercharge on and u might see 120-130kw's at the wheels max.
This is FACT.
Tell him to pull his finger out.
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Club Member
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Sydney, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 07:59
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Who knows whats actually done to it???
It's possible that it's got 160kW at the wheels... Very possible...
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April 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 08:03
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its possible my civic has 600hp at the front right tire.
FACT - Its possible he went to a dodgy dyno, they set the rates so it would put out big figures just so he could go tel all his buddys how full sik his mum's shopping trolly is..
FACT - STANDARD 4agze SUPERCHARGES will NOT make more than 110kws at the wheels.
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Club Member
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Sydney, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 08:06
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What if it's not a stock sc???
What it it's not even a toyota sc???
I'm not trying to argue here at all man... Just saying that none of us know anything about the car so yeah...
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Location:
NSW - Blue Mountains
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June 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 14:09
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Well i dont know shit about it either im guessing it stock 4a by looks but only way I would find out the true kw is to get it dynoed again when I buy it.
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July 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 24 July 2004 16:24
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could have a sc14 under the bonnet
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Location:
NSW - Blue Mountains
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June 2004
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April 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sun, 25 July 2004 15:38
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Everyone will say this and that... but make sure you come back later in time and say to me - 'you were right'. Thats all i ask.
A standard supercharger on a 4agze will not run more than 14psi max.... most r lucky to obtain more than 12-13. The amount of heat generated at this amount of boost quickly out weighs the benifits. You end up going backwards.
Bigger intercool... yay. That will decrease the intake temps a little and make the running of more boost more effective.
BUT STILL ... as i've said before.. on a non bullshit dyno, with aftermarket ecu, big intercooler, 12psi pully, water spray and even a shot of pullyadick octane boost .. u will see a max of 110 but more likely around 105kw's at the Treads.
Thats the FACTS.
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sun, 25 July 2004 23:09
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if he did a 14.9 kW with 160kW at the wheels, then he has to be the worlds worst 1/4 mile driver and on top of that would have to be shifting at like 5000rpm.
Most 4agze FWD corollas do around mid-hig 14sec 1/4 miles. Tell him to take his 160kW and ram it up his rajar. Then ask for guarantee that it has 160kW atw, and then go test it at a reputable dyno shop and ask for a very hefy discount for his misrepresentation of the car he is selling.
160kW at the wheels would require a turbo, no SC running 13psi can acheive that, they have too much drag on the engine.
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April 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Mon, 26 July 2004 01:15
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Thanku!
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Location:
Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Mon, 26 July 2004 04:03
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This page:
http://home.comcast.net/~mr2_sc_dyno/dyno_page.htm
Has a fairly extensive list of real world dyno figures for 4AGZE engines (in mr2). Bear in mind that they are mainly American dynos and as such real a little higher than Aussie ones...
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Sydney
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May 2003
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Mon, 26 July 2004 05:11
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i agree he is blowing shit up your ass i had the 4agze with front mount and pully kit on my seca pulled 108kws at wheels with 145hp. done a 14.9 1/4mile run to have 160kws you would need to upgrade to a turbo like i have just done and would need a half decent turbo to pull them kind of numbers as well.
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Location:
NSW - Blue Mountains
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June 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Mon, 26 July 2004 13:05
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Well I'm gettin the car as I need one beacause of a crash on the weekend (not my fault) that wrote off my corona, 8g damage.
As for the 160kw I now know his bullshittin me about it but I dont know of any good dyno shops in the western sydney area as Ive never had to use them before, also how much roughly does it cost?
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Mon, 26 July 2004 14:07
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take the car based upon it's condition, maintenance history and mechanical fatigues - not it's dyno figures.
A dyno run costs around $60 at most places.
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Location:
NSW - Blue Mountains
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June 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Mon, 26 July 2004 15:19
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Well the car is actually in pretty good condition: the body has only one minor dint/scratch that can hardly be seen, rust free.
Did have a body kit it was a dodgy shop job and I rather them without bodykits, other wise they look to ricey.
Engine has been regularly serviced since its been put in and only thing that needs to be fixed really is wheel alignment and new front shocks but brought the price down to compensate for that.
So overall im not just buyin it cause of the apparent kw reading and ive looked into everything else that i could think of at the time while i was talkin to the owner (just gota hope his not bullshitin me about some of the other shit as he did with the kw reading)
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Location:
Sydney, OZ
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May 2002
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Tue, 27 July 2004 07:57
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It depends on the dyno operator to he can configure a dyno to give false readings just ask the guy at dyno day 9 with the 300zx that had 250rwkw but could only get 180
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And I have sat there so many times with him and seen this happen!
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As for the 160kw I now know his bullshittin me about it but I dont know of any good dyno shops in the western sydney area as Ive never had to use them before, also how much roughly does it cost?
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Ahmm... Premier Auto, SAS, CAS,... List can go on...
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A dyno run costs around $60 at most places.
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Min 1hr... So can you imagine my response when a w/shop wanted $100/hr FOR DRY HIRE?  was the answer!
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Location:
Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Thu, 29 July 2004 06:45
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| THE WITZL wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 23:37 |
take the car based upon it's condition, maintenance history and mechanical fatigues - not it's dyno figures.
A dyno run costs around $60 at most places.
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Sydney is too expensive! In adelaide, at Blackwood dyno (pretty reputable) it costs $30 for a power run. And you get 2 printouts!!
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Thu, 29 July 2004 08:56
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| chrisellis wrote on Fri, 23 July 2004 23:55 |
my guess is the flywheel, it would hve to have had some serious work to punch out 160kw at the wheels.. as for an 8pound pulley kit... well absolutly no difference as they already have one stock.
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This is true but to get 8 pounds they actually reduced the size of the pulley on the SC instead of increasing the crank pulley size. So you can still fit the 175mm crank pulley as well and run even more than 8 pounds. I have both pulleys (AE92 engine)and I tested it once (maybe with a dodgy Boost Guage but, meh) and got a reading of just under 1 bar which is about 15psi
I also worked out that compared to a standard 4agze this pulley configuration has the SuperCharger rotating 1500 more times at 6000rpm.
My car has also been dynoed and makes 175ps (around 130kw) at the wheels. If you want proof check out HPI issue 14 (with a white supra on the cover) at the MR2 dyno day at BD4's. The dyno was shown to be accurate as a stock standard SW20's run matched the quoted toyota figure.
Plus with a couple of issues resolved I might be able to crack 13 second quarter mile runs or get very close!
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Thu, 29 July 2004 14:44
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Only one hassle with what u said ben... BD4's dyno does read hi. No doubt about that.. ive seen lots of dodgy figures come from that dyno.
Also your 14.1 is a decent time down the 1/4 mile but with your "130kw's" at the wheels, that should really be a mid 13 without any hassle at all.
I've had mates with 4agte's in celica's and aw11's run mid to low 13's with around 130kws at the wheels.
The figures don't add up
I'd love to see what your 4agze pulls at a Toymods Dyno Day. Those figures are as realistic as ive ever seen.
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Sydney
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Fri, 30 July 2004 03:09
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>The dyno was shown to be accurate as a stock standard SW20's
>run matched the quoted toyota figure.
This sounds wrong. as motors never put out at the wheels what the manufactures say for the motor.
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Fri, 30 July 2004 05:57
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No, they then calculated in the drivetrain loss and it came out to match the factory figure at the flywheel. Check out the magazine it does manage to explain it much better than I can. If you can't find it I'll try and fish it out of my collection and host an image of it.
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April 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Sat, 31 July 2004 06:44
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do u believe everything u read in articles??
This whole thread is still a load of ponypoo ... Close it someone!!
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Location:
Canberra
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January 2004
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Location:
NSW - Blue Mountains
Registered:
June 2004
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Re: 160kw 4AGZE?
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Mon, 02 August 2004 12:23
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Well i bought the car cause i was really in need of one, someone crashed into my corona. So im going to fit a boost gauge in it soon as I get some spare money and then take it to get dyno tested. I just need to know of a good dyno operator in the Penrith/Emu Plains area if anyone can recommend of a good dyno operator around there, could you send me the details of the shop.
Cheers
Chris
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