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TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 05:36
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What i have is a stock suspension and is worn out so prefect time to upgrade. Front shocks are gone giving a far bit of body roll
What I'm after is the best combination of Springs and dampeners for the front and rear. Prefer not to lower to much if at all. Oh yeah this is for street driving.
I was talking to a fella at tafe and mention that i maybe about to even buy a suspension kit for it.
Been to pedders but wasn't to happy with there service and quote seemed a little high.
Any input would be helpful
Thanks
Jason
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 05:52
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what kind of suspension kit you talking bout?
if you dont want to lower the car then just go for standard stuff as it will suffice your needs. so just go for front & rear shocks, front & rear springs. go for a full re-bush and ball joints
i even went the extra mile and done the whole steering as well (idler arm, pitman arm, inner & outer tie rods)
i got pedders to put it all in for $300 and i provided all the parts. they roughly cost me $500 without springs (i didnt need to change them as they were already new)
that price o got the parts for is pretty cheap and are actually less than trade prices cause i know the owner of the parts place so i would assume would prob be bout double...
all up i would say $1500 would be max i would pay normally for someone to get and do everything... but thats me
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 06:19
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Well i replaced all the steering linkages about 2 years ago now.
Bushes are starting to purish but so thinking of replacing them at the same time.
What i would like is to stiffen the car up a bit more if possible. Have 8 inch rims on the back and tend to rub when people sit in the back.
I pedders quoted me $515 just to suply and fit the front shocks and about $300 just to supply
As i expect the spring are orginal i was thinking of replaceing them to. Reason not for lowering as its my ownly car and driving in and out of carparks alot and speed humps are bad enough now with out lowering it
Another thing i've hear that the rear sway bar after market doesn't really do much?? whats your guys opinion on that.
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 08:04
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talk to septembersquallindustries - hes a member of this forum - his Ta22 sounds like it has an uber suspension setup in it 
otherwise - slightly lowered progressive springs - new bushes , and decent swaybars will make the ta22 much friendlier
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 09:09
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ok thanks classique71
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 09:19
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As i expect the spring are orginal i was thinking of replaceing them to. Reason not for lowering as its my ownly car and driving in and out of carparks alot and speed humps are bad enough now with out lowering it
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What i would like is to stiffen the car up a bit more if possible
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If you're going to replace the springs with new ones there's little purpose going OEM. You can fit uprated springs without changing the ride height. Be aware that most off-the-shelf aftermarket spring packages won't actually increase the spring rate much (perhaps ~10-15%, perhaps because this rate will still be adequately bound by OEM dampers?). If you're getting serious you could go harder.
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I pedders quoted me $515 just to suply and fit the front shocks and about $300 just to supply
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$150ea for front damper inserts is about what you'd expect to pay at Pedders. Were they 'Comfort Gas' inserts or something else? For that money I'd be looking at KYB dampers, which are available for this application; ask Whiteline for the part number. If you're considering brake upgrades too (ie. Corona strut) you'd want to arrange that first and then buy inserts to suit. I think Koni yellow dampers are available for RT132.
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Bushes are starting to purish but so thinking of replacing them at the same time.
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Polyeurethane rebushing kit is available through Mackay Consolidated Industries under the SureTrak brand. Part number [KIT57] incorporates seperate Mackay kits for lower and upper rear trailing arms, panhard rod, radius beam and lower inner control arm bush. I found it to be more affordable to buy KIT57 than any other collection of polyeurethane bushes seperately.
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Have 8 inch rims on the back and tend to rub when people sit in the back.
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There are only three ways to remedy this. By my order of preference, these are;
1. Refit sensible wheels
2. Guard modifications
3. Decrease rear bump compliance
(3) can be delivered by fitting high-rate springs and appropriate dampers; though you may find that an oversprung rear end will be skittish and prone to skate under lateral G's and poor (or not glass-smooth) surfaces. Good for drift, not so good for anything else.
Ask youself what it is about your 900kg TA22 which requires 8" rubber though and you'll be a long way towards fixing your scrubbing issues.
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Another thing i've hear that the rear sway bar after market doesn't really do much?? whats your guys opinion on that.
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An aftermarket rear bar should minimise body roll at the rear suspension during cornering and increase the propensity of the car to oversteer/decrease the propensity of the car to understeer. Following on from your last point, what size differential are you running between front and rear tyres and what is the turn-in behaviour like at present as a result?
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 09:35
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I agree that the rims are to large but they were on it when i bought it. I'm just waiting for the rubber to wear down then I'll replace the whole lot.
From what your saying about the laterial g's and poor surface it'll slide well it's already hairy enough in the wet with out making it worst.
So going off what you've said I might just replace the front struts and leave it there for now until i replace the rim.
Thanks heaps for that to SeptemberSquallIndustries some food for thought anyway
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 10:54
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There's no real need to wait until you replace the wheels.
If they're scrubbing now, what've you got to lose by fitting your new springs and dampers straight away? If anything, for any given ride height an increase in spring rate, etc. will improve the scrubbing situation. Just recognise that with 8" rims stuffed under there (what, 245's?) you can only achieve so much.
Then when you fit new wheels the suspension package is already sorted.
Overspringing the car will make it quite skittish; there will be a propensity for the car to actually bounce about over bumps rather than absorb them in suspension travel. When this happens loss of traction occurs.
ie. braking hard on turn in, good spring/damper package will absorb bump travel from corrugations and maintain tyre contact with the road, ensuring steering and braking control is maintained; conversely oversprung package will bounce the car about as the shock imparted by the corrugation is not conpletely accommodated by the spring/damper. Loss of tyre contact in combo with heavy braking and turn in leads to brake lock up, understeer, etc.
When you say replace struts, do you mean replace them with other strut assemblies to upgrade brakes or replace the front strut inserts? If the latter, you may as well get new springs installed while the struts are apart. If the former, you'll need to find inserts and custom springs to suit XT130/RT132 strut as described here.
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 11:26
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the tyres on the back are R14 215/60 on 8" and R14 195/65 on 7" the front if this backs any difference. as for the front i'ld just keep the standard front end. I've had no problems in pulling up so far and haven't noticed and brake fade.
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 11:29
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see - told ya !
anyway why on earth are 8 inch tyres needed ? unless youve got a stonker of a motor thats overkill by about an inch and a half ..
as soon as you decide what your doing - sell those huge rims - invesrt in some nice light 14x6.5's or the such - and save on tyre cost
as for swaybars - i found this to be one of the biggest good things on the ta22 that i upgraded - especially the rear .. it felt a bit more lively - but a lot more balanced and readable if anything - made the ta22 much more fun + precise to drive in the hills
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 11:38
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Rear stabiliser should make oversteer more progressive and turn-in sharper.
Recommend MA61 rolling stock; it's 14x7, 8P offset (perfect), and hub-centric on TA22! Fit with 195/60 or 205/60R14s. Sidewall stiffness rocks, again will make the car more readable and progressive rather than just squirming about and rolling sidewalls so much. They're like $300-$400 a set in good shape and look the goods too IMO.
What the hell are your current rims to be 14x8 in low offset and 4x114.3 PCD?  Hotwires? Superlites? or something? I don't think Challengers come in more than 7's at 14". Sell em to an AE86 poser, you'll make changeover unless your rims are completely fuk't/unsellable.
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 11:44
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no idea hey Classique71 why the last owner put 8s on it. I mean it looks good with the offset but too wide.
Know anyone that would wanna buy then. the rubber is still like new and they have been on there +3 years. Problem is then i need to replace them. Rims are all scuffed up 
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 11:51
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How you put pics in I'll show you what the look like
They are Dragway rims
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 11:52
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sell em to a drift head - just make sure you specify DISH!
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 12:16
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Well thanks you two for the help. 
So in summary first replace the rim and go from there.
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sat, 14 August 2004 13:17
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From a total-system-improvement perspective, yes.
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Re: TA22 Suspension Setup
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Sun, 15 August 2004 11:15
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Shuddup man.  Yeah, soon k!
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