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SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Fri, 13 August 2004 13:16
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hey all i crashed my AE82 twin cam and its time to move on. Im tossing up between Rolla SX (hatch or seca) and the ST162 Celica SX. what are peoples opinions? anyone driven them side by side? I know the 162 can be had in 3SFE and 3SGE and that the GE has more power. whats the pick from those 2 and how can i tell which engine it has when i look at them?
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Fri, 13 August 2004 13:55
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I've got the same problem  either ae92 or 3sge st165 celica... Help is appreciated 
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Fri, 13 August 2004 14:58
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I'm pritty sure the ST165 is the GT Four all wheel drive 3S-GTE there dimmy.
The Celica SX has the 3S-GE. The Celica FX (is it FX? SF? It's F something, I remember thinking it's the same as the engine code) has the 3S-FE.
I would probably go the AE92 SX, probably in Seca form but either is nice. I just like the early 90s cars.
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Fri, 13 August 2004 23:39
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the celica st162 ST has the 3s-fe, as well as other numerous differences, including 4 stud wheels, available in coupe version and less power features.
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Fri, 13 August 2004 23:52
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Seca's are teh ghey 
My vote would obviously be for the SX hatch over the ST162 (simply because I own one) but the 3SGE is a pretty strong motor, and the extra 0.4L gives a nice healthy amount of torque that the 4AGE is lacking..
At the end of the day if you like all things equally, it's just going to come down to what's in your price-range.
I'd personally steer clear of buying a modfied one, but stock (and non-thrashed) examples of both cars are getting harder and harder to find. 
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sat, 14 August 2004 01:05
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My vote would go for the SX Rolla...
Newer, better features and a better car in my opinion...
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sat, 14 August 2004 06:36
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Boy This brings back memories
I was debating between the celica sx st162, a ae82 twincam and a ae93 Corolla Hatch SX, for about 6 months. I put everything into consideration, fuel costs, spare parts, available modification parts, initial price, insurance etc...
I ended up with the celica sx st162 but that was after numerous drives of the celica sx, ae82 twincam and the ae93 corolla sx.
I'll give u my opinion on the corolla sx and st162... (coz u already know what the ae82 is like)
Ok lets start off, Corolla sx are a bit rare but easier to narrow down what ur after, because they come in only red and white, manual, and with the 4age 100kw. These cars drive relatively similar to a ae82 twincam, only the engine is smoother (partly due to the removal of tvis), power comes on smoother and the mid range is more pronounced. They still rev out to 7700 (as i've found out on one of my test drives) but the difference here is that the 100kw 4age has a tiny bit more torque, 147nm over the standard 137 i believe on the ae82 twincams so its quite a nice difference. Peak power is at 7000rpm. The corolla sx is very comfortable indeed, with seats that support you quite well. Not quite as good value as the ae82 twincam in fun but still a nice performer, 0-100 comes in at around 9.3 seconds and 1/4 in about 16.5 seconds, Great little car, looking at around 4.5k-6k depending on condition.
Now to start off with the celica sx, Now i'll put this straight and try and keep the bias as little as possible and say it how it is...
The st162 is a fantastic little machine, the engine can be described as an uprated version of the 4age 86kw. Torque has been rated up due to the increased capacity of the 3sge, which is 103kw and 173nm of torque, the car weighs roughly 1150kgs, which equals a 0-100 of about 9.4 seconds and 1/4 of 16.5 seconds. The car has really nice response due to the extra torque down below, picks up from quite low, and revs to 7300rpm. Thats pretty damn awesome for a 2 litre, peak power is at 6000rpm. The st162s come in a ST model, which has downrated brakes (drums at the bacck i think), downrated engine (3sfe with 87kw or something similar), and lacks the real bite from the 3sge motor. The st162 also come in automatic, from driving one they aren't bad at all but u feel like ur just pointing and shootin with the automatic, defeats the point of the sports car.
the st162 has a certain style to it, you sit nice and low, steering feel is really nice. The st162 goes from 1986 to 1989, with some of the 1986-1987 models u can find full electrics, usually electric windows and mirrors with some of them coming with a sunroof which tilts and opens. The 1988-1989 i believe came with full electrics standard with some of them having the gt4 seats, which are full bucket seats. I was lucky to get them on my 1986 model (full factory options in my case, YAY).
The st162 just like the corolla sx have a bit of bodyroll but nothing really major, i replaced the springs in my st162 with some king springs and was really quite a big difference.
Both cars take modifications really quite well,
2" to 2.25" exhaust, extractors, cold air intake, king springs, rear sway bar
With those sort of modifications you'll have a very fun car either way...
Both are very good cars, as i was told, it depends if u want a hot hatch, or else a sports car.
Reason i chose the st162 over the corolla sx/ae82 twincam was due to the fact that they are a very fun car, which have a very sporty feel to it, an engine which has a very smooth feel to it, very nice features and a very sexy look to it hahaha.
My cars listed just below my post if u'd like to take a look.
And yeah this is the link to my post about the topic when i was buying my car and comparing a few cars, should help i reckon
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=26580&prevloaded=1&rid=3960&S=5d32d5 1676efd4c950effb88070de53b&rev=&reveal=&am p;start=0&count=60
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sat, 14 August 2004 06:58
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Man you know you want a AE92/93. Have you seen the Corolla SX comercial? That would totally swing you. I hate FFs and everything about the car, but that ad! Its insane! BUY ONE NOW!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sat, 14 August 2004 07:07
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Ive been leaning to the AE92 rolla SX as i have a AE82 currently. but this is making me more confused. i guess ill follow the advice of keep looking and road testing both and get the best one i find out of the two.
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sat, 14 August 2004 07:42
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Did my post help at all??
700 ish words of goodness hahaha
I've written less for english essays in year 12!
Try out the celica sx, they are awesome fun, they have a more racy feel than the 100kw i reckon, overal just a more sporty car with like sunroof etc, some corolla sx come with a sunroof but quite rare, some models come with electrics too hehe
But try out them, both cars are really impressive, it will be something u'll just have to have a feel for urself..
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sat, 14 August 2004 10:30
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Thanx SR Twincam... i'll probably give my one a try...
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sat, 14 August 2004 10:49
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if only those yr 12 essays were about St162 Celicas you would have got top marks!!! its making me more confused. i guess i have to road test both before making a decision. ive seen a "white lightning" version of the Celica SX what extra features do they have? do all SX celicas have sunroof and fast glass? is the sunroof electric or manual?
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sun, 15 August 2004 02:14
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| Sam4A-GE_Seca wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 20:49 |
if only those yr 12 essays were about St162 Celicas you would have got top marks!!! its making me more confused. i guess i have to road test both before making a decision. ive seen a "white lightning" version of the Celica SX what extra features do they have? do all SX celicas have sunroof and fast glass? is the sunroof electric or manual?
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Thanx heaps hehehe As mentioned i tried to be as least bias as possible and say it how it is as much as possible ...
A road test will help heaps, it did for me..
White lightning were in 1989 i believe as a limited edition, which had full electrics, pretty sure had sunroof standard. The SX celicas had electric sunroofs.
They were only panel roofs, if they are fast glass/moon roof u know that its aftermarket, i'd say try go geniuene, that way u know its been done by toyota, but glass roofs won't rust hehe..
Good luck with ur hunt, honestly a test drive will show ya what these toyotas are really like...
Tell us how u go,
I look forward
I know which one ur gonna prefer (i'll start finding ya a celica )
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sun, 15 August 2004 02:18
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Heres a little advert about the white lightning and its features..
Its worth the download!!!
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sun, 15 August 2004 06:16
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AAMI is $2100?
Have u tried any others?
I'm paying $410 on rating 6 for it third party fire and theft
Don't put it out of the question because of a bad insurance quote, I reckon if anything go the corolla sx over the rv due to the more impressive engine.
Corolla sx will be quite similar insurance
Regards
Adrian
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sun, 15 August 2004 09:24
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that must have been in your own name, yeah the SX is better that the RV which has the 7a-fe i think
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sun, 15 August 2004 11:57
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I have a white lighting, i love it. I would recommend the celica. When i was lookin for mine it had the same choice. Would have taken any but i found my car first and at the right price. Either of the cars will make you very happy.
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sun, 15 August 2004 13:28
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Did you like you old corolla?
of so upgrading to an AE92 SX/GTi is a logical step,
P.s. Get a Hatch 
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sun, 15 August 2004 13:34
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I can vouch that the SX are a fine car indeed
Having previously owned an AE82 it was a nice move up to the SX.
And if you do buy the Seca - it is actually the top model  hence why it has the velour interior  (that's asking for it)
They do go hard with little modification and corner well with the right suspension setup.
That's my two cents.
If you have further questions PM me or e-mail me.
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Sun, 15 August 2004 13:36
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The SX hatch got Velour too,
the GTi and Seris 2 Seca missed out
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Mon, 16 August 2004 05:52
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i say get out there and test drive both cars before you make a decision, they are both top cars, both go quite well
p.s get a seca sx
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Tue, 17 August 2004 03:47
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I've had both a AE92 SX hatch and (before) a ST162. I would not hesitate to recommend the Celica - yes thay are a bit more cramped inside and older but (stock for stock) they handle MUCH better than the Corolla.
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Tue, 17 August 2004 03:51
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im kinda in the same position im looking for either a sx st162 or an ae82 twin cam
ive decided that im going to go for first one i can find of either thats in the best condition for the best price kinda thing. so for me its going to be luck of the draw
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Tue, 17 August 2004 06:33
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i think every1 knows were my vote stands
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Re: SX Dilemma!!! Celica or Corolla
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Tue, 17 August 2004 07:00
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I have an ST162 Celica SX, it's a great car and if you get one in good nick then you will be very happy with it.
I noticed there hasn't been an answer to your question about how to tell the two engines apart yet, so I'll do that for you.
The ST162 Celica came in two versions, the SX and the ST. The SX came in liftback form only and has the 3SGE engine, identified by the letters "T-VIS" in the intake manifold. It also has "3SGE" on a sticker on the timing belt cover. The ST could be either a liftback or a coupe and has the 3SFE engine which has "EFI" on the intake manifold.
The SX is the version to go for, the ST was merely the entry level version. The ST has rear drum brakes (rear discs on the SX) and 13 in wheels on a 4 stud pattern (14 inch wheels on a 5 stud pattern on the SX).
Hope that helps (if you decide to go for a Celica that is!)
-Matt
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my bad...i just found out it is a ST162. Looks great i reckon 
