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 MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Sun, 29 September 2002 11:52
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im currently running my 2t ta22 with a ramflow filter,genie extractors and 2 inch exhaust system, by porting and polishing the head, am i able to get more out of the girl?
cheers
juzzo
juzzo84@hotmail.com
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Narellan
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September 2002
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Sun, 29 September 2002 11:57
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Every little bit counts. Try sourcing a 2TG twin cam head (probably wouldn't cost much more, if any, than a good port job and head recon.) They bolt straight on all you have to do is source the chain guides for the overhead cams.
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May 2002
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Sun, 29 September 2002 23:13
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It's not quite that easy - you'll also need 2T-G pistons and the idler shaft to replace the OHV camshaft. Much easier replacing the whole engine with a complete 2T-G. Note that you will be able to keep your extractors and exhaust system as the exhaust manifold has the same bolt pattern.
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Mon, 30 September 2002 04:49
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justin. check out the trading post from last thurs, or better yet do it online... there was a few 2t-g's in there!
i did a search for celica with price range 0-6000 and found 2 or 3 2t-g engines while i was looking for a celica this week.
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Toymods Board Member
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Mon, 30 September 2002 07:41
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It's true that you can modify a 2T to make pretty decent power, but 2T-G's are cheap and piss-easy to install. Modifying a 2T simply isn't as cost effective.
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Toymods Board Member
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Mon, 30 September 2002 09:59
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It's true that you can modify a 2T to make pretty decent power, but 2T-G's are cheap and piss-easy to install. Modifying a 2T simply isn't as cost effective.
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Totally agree... Just for a intake setup on the 2T, will cost you $800-$1000 by the time you get it tuned. For that money you can have a 2TG..
Juzzo.. up to you. I have the intake manifold and know of someone that would probably part with the dell orto.. If you want to keep the 2T.. That would probably be your easiest gain of any power.. The standard 2T carbie choke at 4000rpm at dont like to go above that..
If not upgrade to a 2TG, and have more to play with..
Unfortunatly I have not kept to the original question.. Sorry. But it gives you something to think about..
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Mon, 30 September 2002 10:40
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there are a few different varieties of cams too for the 2T/3T
i have a friend - his son has a ke20 with a 3T/2T combo with twin webers making 200hp!
so there is plenty of potential. my ta22 has paceys, 2" zorst and a free flow air filter too - goes well for what it is..
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Mon, 30 September 2002 11:50
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No-one said the 2T doesn't have potential, just that it costs a lot of money to extract that potential. I can guarantee this 200hp 2T cost a whole lot more than a 2T-G swap!
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Mon, 30 September 2002 12:12
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I have a 2T sitting here thats just recently be rebuilt! Its got a webber sitting on the stock manifold using an adaptor plate! Would getting a good manifold improve breathing at all?
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Toymods Board Member
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Mon, 30 September 2002 22:30
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I have a 2T sitting here thats just recently be rebuilt! Its got a webber sitting on the stock manifold using an adaptor plate! Would getting a good manifold improve breathing at all?
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From what I have seen, Toyota have there intake manifolds about as free flowing as they can.. Your option would be to change to a side draught setup.. Side draughts should outflow down draught everytime, due to the bends..
But, yes, a good manifold will increase air flow.
As long as you have a good set of extractors to match..
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Tue, 01 October 2002 00:39
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agreed norbie - 2T is not cost affective in power gains. unless you can do it on the cheap - really depends which way u wanna go
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Tue, 01 October 2002 08:20
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The reason I asked about the manifold is because I dont want to get rid of the webber! I want to fit this engine in the girlfriends car when she gets one! So it will be getting a set of extractors aswell!
Any idea where I could get a manifold to suit the job?
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Tue, 01 October 2002 10:33
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Juzzo,
Mate how much do you really want to spend ? If the answer is bugger all then the only cheap mod you appear to be missing is fitting a Downdraft weber to the stock manifold using an Adaptor plate. The 32/36 downdraft weber will bolt up and should set you back $30-$50 tops (2 litre Ford escort/Cortina) Ataptor plate was $30 last I bought one (Looooong time ago !)
Port and polish will cost you a few dollars and will only give you gains as far as the rest of your setup can handle.
The Downdraft weber is by no means a high performance carby but it is better than the stock one.
Your best bet if you want to spend the money is a side draft Carby set up. A single 45mm Side draft weber or delorto will suit all but the most full on 2T engine. However to buy that new is big dollars. A side draft weber new is around $700 these days and the manifold will set you back about $150. Then you need the linkage kit and airfilter plus the dyno time and dizzy graph. So yeah for about $1200 - $1500 you can re-carby the 2T quite nicely.
Cool 1,
No downdraft manifold and carby setup will match the performance of the equivalent Side draft version. Side draft is quite simply just better (Less restrictive)
Grega,
200 HP 3T/2T hybrid ?? Mate that is a pretty big claim. What sort of Fuel and compression is it running. ? Also where is that power figure from and what sort of Dyno was it. The 2T is a Cross flow Hemi head so does respond well to big dollars.
Keeping in mind that the BEST power acheived from a 2TG in FULL RACE SPEC is 200 HP i would be very amazed to see a 2T acheive it. Not saying it isn't possible just well above any I have heard of. Best I know of was in the 170 - 180 HP bracket. See if you can get it to the Dyno day. Be great to see a 2T take home the trophy  (assuming he became a member)
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Wed, 02 October 2002 06:19
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Well I just chromed the stock 2T air cleaner and rocker cover, added a new fuel filter, a new battery, sand blasted the headers, painted them and added a heap of new stainless hex bolts here and there and I swear it added 100hp. Maybe with a new fan belt and a drop of good oil she'll be putting out more hp than the new lawn mower. Fingers crossed, I'll keep you posted with pics coming soon.
Justin
ps if she don't go, she might as well look nice till she does.
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Wed, 02 October 2002 17:22
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I have a 2T with a sidedraft 45mm DCOE Weber which shits all over the stock setup. The guys who installed it though really didn't know what they are doing and i haven't Dyno'd it yet, will be doing that when i rip off the RamFlo air filter to replace it with a K&N filter.
Hopefully i'll have some figures up here soon of what kinda kW's it is putting out, torque etc..
So now i need to know.. what more can i do to squueze more juice out of her? what's this about port and polishing? i'm kinda illiterate when it comes to engine mods so a brief explainasion would be appreciated.
Sam
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Thu, 03 October 2002 01:31
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Grega,
Sounds like he has the perfect backing. Head work can deffinatly make all the difference. I'll look forward to you email
Whilst on the topic of T series engine. The Toymods under 1800cc Quater mile record was squashed last night but a 3TGTE. 12.1 from Yellorolla. Offical results to go up soon
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Thu, 03 October 2002 07:39
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rod i've sent the email to your toymods address. the files are pretty darn big - three seperate emails dude.
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Thu, 03 October 2002 09:45
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| Havoc wrote on Mon, 30 September 2002 17:09 |
Juzzo..
I had a 2T with a dell orto carbie hanging of the side on a lynx manifold.. (i think i still have it).. It was well out of tune.. but made 42 KW at the wheels.. Just to compare.. I now have a 2TGEU and that makes 47KW.. Not far off!!! 
You can do more to a 2TG and you also have the added revability.. But well tuned 2T will be up there alongside.. 
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LOL _ irony strikes - mine made exactly that figure in its shitty tuned form recently - with all the right stuff bar cam ( sidedraft weber , extractors , headwork , forgies etc etc
Took it to a guru with my NEW CAM ! and he expects somewhere between 85 - 120 HP at the rears - which is a shit load more KW than before ..
mind u its getitng a 3/4 race cam slotted in it that was tested and documented to produce over 180 HP at the flywheel
as for revving - mine will rev out to 6800 without complaint atm , so they aint that far behinds a 2tg
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Thu, 03 October 2002 09:51
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a stock 2tg revs to 7500rpm safely and thats without needing to upgrade valve springs 
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Carlingford, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Thu, 03 October 2002 10:57
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my 2tg made 52kw at the last dyno day in a rather bad state of tune (totaly stock motor)
dunno y i said that but
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Thu, 03 October 2002 11:04
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theres bugger all in it between a 2tb and a 2tg bar about 5 horsepower or so - and around an extra 500 RPM squeezability from a 2tg ..
i guess its in Modified form where the real differences show - 2tg in theory should rev harder , but smoother - than the 2t by far - though a good 2t will still perform very well when modified also ..
Overall theres a bee's whisker in it overall IMHO..
just one costs alot cheaper to make for bang for bucks
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Fri, 04 October 2002 05:29
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yeah i think ill have to (after the next dyno day)
im aiming for mid 60kw i get everything done by then
so we shall see
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Re: MORE HP FOR MY 2T
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Fri, 04 October 2002 09:16
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rod i will find out what i can dude.
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