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Mon, 23 August 2004 03:48
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Ever since my laser got stolen in june i have been driving around in nothing but those hell-spawned pieces of shit known as automatic cars. AAARRGGHHH. I bought a manual st162 on thursday registered it on friday, and loved every moment of manual driving pleasure that the weekend had to offer. i have never felt so relaxed in my life.
chris
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Mon, 23 August 2004 04:27
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man i get in my mums auto pulsar and still press the clutch 
i hate auto, adding to that i believe that all people should get their licence on manual. it should be mandatory!!!! imagine your driving along in you manual car with your misus and she cant drive manual. now something happens to you, what is hse gonna do? watch you die!!!!
but if they are forced to do their driving tests in manual then she would have been able to drive you the the hospital!!!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 04:58
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one problem is i know some people who are just that unco that they couldn't even if they tried. they seem to struggle with autos hahahaha
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Mon, 23 August 2004 05:17
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and thats why they do not deserve licences
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Mon, 23 August 2004 05:22
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no... thats why they get to be designated drivers 
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Mon, 23 August 2004 05:50
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There is nothing worse than driving a powerful automatic car. Its scary!
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Re: Best feeling ever
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Mon, 23 August 2004 06:08
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| Evan wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 15:20 |
There is nothing worse than driving a powerful automatic car. Its scary!
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Manual is good yes but with the appropriate mods to an Auto it can run heaps better times on the track...
I.E. shift kit and manual valve body along with a nice big stallie can be handy 
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February 2004
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Mon, 23 August 2004 06:20
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Yeah, autos are better down the 1/4 mile because you have so much more consistency and control in the launch.
But they are downright dangerous through corners and braking... not to mention response, fuel economy.
But, in a few situations recently, ie peak hour traffic, they ain't too bad for that.
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Mon, 23 August 2004 06:27
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That is soo general and biased, i am not saying that an Auto is better than a manual but they are not unsafe, that comes down to the driver essentially, i know that I can handle an Auto in the hills, but then again I can handle a manual as well.
Just becuase you drive manual you are cool....
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Mon, 23 August 2004 06:39
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autos should be banned
if u cant drive a manual u dont have the coordination to drive on the road
they promote lazyness behind the wheel
wot do u do if u loose ur breaks and hand brake throw it into L and if it actually enages ull probly compression lock and lose control anyways
i dont mind those auto clutch manuals there cool but autos should be banned for everybody cept commercial usage taxi drivers and even then thats an ify one
when i worked at ford we had about 70 cars atleast come through the doors
the manual cars rarely had scratches on them from running into the back of someones
the autos about 90% of the time had marks on the front and the back from running into shit
this kinda in a weird way proves my point that auto drivers are lazy
if i could drive brass button clutched escort in traffic every day of the week and not give 2 shits why shouldnt everyone else be able to drive manuals with extremely like clutches
they are just winging bastards
end rant
sorry but thats my 2cents
or maybe its like my $2
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Mon, 23 August 2004 06:41
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That is the biggest load of BS i have ever heard...
Just becuase i drive auto I am a bad driver, I dont have the option of a Manual as it is far too expensive to do the conversion...
I know i can drive manual fucken well, and if you wanna put it to the test then any time fool!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 06:59
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no one has said that you cant drive cause yor car is auto! but people do get lazy in autos, and i would agree with olihaub that most minor bumps are from auto drivers
my dad drives an auto now cause he is getting on in age but i recon he would put us all to shame when it comes to driving, so its not a matter that you drive auto your fucked but majority are
also i go back to my point that if a situation occured and the car was manual then what would occur when the passenfger cannot drive a manual... its logic and its safety!!!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 07:10
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Olihaub,
That is a ridiculous argument,
Both Auto's and Manual's have their place, I owned a GZ20 Soarer and I loved every minute of that beautiful Auto, I wouldn't have wanted it to be a Manual as it was a great cruiser.
Now I am back to an RA23 with a great litle 18RG, and it is great fun to throw around, but I would much prefer my Soarer in traffic and on long trips, Actually, I want my Soarer back  ...
My mother has a spinal problem and has very limited sensitivity in her left leg and as a result she can't hold her foot on a clutch for very long or at all, so she drives an auto, and that works perfectly for her and everyone else on the roads,
And saying that more Auto drivers crash cars is just stupid,
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Mon, 23 August 2004 07:13
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 16:41 |
That is the biggest load of BS i have ever heard...
Just becuase i drive auto I am a bad driver, I dont have the option of a Manual as it is far too expensive to do the conversion...
I know i can drive manual fucken well, and if you wanna put it to the test then any time fool!
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im not talking about people who would be on here der.
im talking about people who are non car enthusiast IE like 80% of australias population or something i dunno how much but its the vast majority
but answer me this wot do u do when ur brakes fail and ur hand brake isnt as tite as it should be from doing handbrakies or just general were and tear
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Mon, 23 August 2004 07:13
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Hi,
I had to go into peak hour traffic today, which is something I detest, and I was driving my wifes auto. It was so easy. I enjoyed not having to clutch in-clutch out - move 2 feet - clutch in clutch out - move another 2 feet.
On the open roads and windy bits, I'd prefer a manual, but in bumper-2-bumper traffic the auto was easier.
seeyuzz
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Mon, 23 August 2004 07:28
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| olihaub wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 16:43 |
| MR 1GGTE wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 16:41 |
That is the biggest load of BS i have ever heard...
Just becuase i drive auto I am a bad driver, I dont have the option of a Manual as it is far too expensive to do the conversion...
I know i can drive manual fucken well, and if you wanna put it to the test then any time fool!
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im not talking about people who would be on here der.
im talking about people who are non car enthusiast IE like 80% of australias population or something i dunno how much but its the vast majority
but answer me this wot do u do when ur brakes fail and ur hand brake isnt as tite as it should be from doing handbrakies or just general were and tear
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Errr...I take good care of my car and keep the brakes serviced on a regular basis so they dont fucken fail!!!
How many times have you had brakes fail on you?? I have never had them fail, but in the likely event i would use the HB and pop it into low gear! How hard is that??
The way I see it if your brakes fail then you are pretty much fucked anyway...
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Mon, 23 August 2004 07:40
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olihaub, your a gronk.
and anyone else whos stupid enough to think autos should be banned, wake up to yourselves. there are plenty of people who physically cant drive manuals, should they not be allowed to drive? autos have their place, while most car enthusiasts prefer manuals, the other 99% of the population couldnt give a shit. even i like getting into autos occasionaly, heaps easier to talk on the mobile and eat your food without having to worry about gears. 
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Kellyville, Sydney
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Mon, 23 August 2004 07:41
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i was driving down to wisemans ferry in my old laser on a 35+ degree day and about 40 meters before the last hairpin corner(going about 50-60 ks) i heard a hiss noise and all i could smell was burning brake fluid. i had to nearly blow my engine by downshifting hard enough to get around the corner in one piece but i made it. in an auto i would have been over the cliff for sure.
another time i was driving my gf's car(auto) up the coast and for 20 minutes i was stuck behind this guy who wouldnt budge off 105. imagine every 5 seconds for twenty minutes
shift up
shift down
shift up
shift down
shift up
shift down
AARRRGGGGHGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
and i definitely agree that driving auto makes you lazier. in a manual you have to concentrate more on what you are doing so you stay more alert. so often when driving auto i arrive some where and dont even remember the drive.
i'm not saying that autos should be banned or anything i just hate the things.
chris
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Mon, 23 August 2004 08:06
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i agree that some people should stick to autos. i hate being in a car with someone who cannot drive a manual. it is painful. 
If your in peak hour then a auto would be great. but here in Newy we don't get really bad traffic build up. If i was buying a performance car i would pic a manual but the only auto i think i could live with is an Audi RS6!!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 08:21
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| Evan wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 17:36 |
i agree that some people should stick to autos. i hate being in a car with someone who cannot drive a manual. it is painful.
If your in peak hour then a auto would be great. but here in Newy we don't get really bad traffic build up. If i was buying a performance car i would pic a manual but the only auto i think i could live with is an Audi RS6!!
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I reckon i could be happy with a Lamborghini Gallardo with E-Gear, Also i reckon the new 7 Series Beemers and S Class Mercs i could suffice with thier 7 Gears of fun...
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Mon, 23 August 2004 08:34
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god dam people take things seriously here (so do i sometimes) but yeah maybe i was being a bit stupid with a few of the above state ments but sorry wot else can i say i just dont think autos are a good thing
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Mon, 23 August 2004 08:51
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| olihaub wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 18:04 |
god dam people take things seriously here (so do i sometimes) but yeah maybe i was being a bit stupid with a few of the above state ments but sorry wot else can i say i just dont think autos are a good thing
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Well if you dont wanna be flamed, and you know you will then dont say stupid things...
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Mon, 23 August 2004 08:53
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i personally dont like driving manual but for learners sake i think it should be compolsary to drive manual or at least do 25 hours in a manual so they learn to drive being more aware and in control of the car. but on a highway auto is sooooo boring! and it could also be another factor why people fall asleep behind the wheel especialy if the car has cruise control.
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Mon, 23 August 2004 08:55
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I think that saying that all auto drivers are bad drivers is a little extreme. However i can see autos have their limitations, i drive an auto at the moment (at least untill new car arrives), and i can say that there are times that i wish i could get that little bit extra out of the Camry, espically on corners or going up hills. However on the flip side of the coin, i was driving my parents 03 forester in trafic and the way the clutch is set up in that car makes is very hard to drive at low speeds, so being stuck on the m5 for 30 mins left me very tired.
So i can see how both have their advantages and limitations, however i don't think "driving" skills come into it. The ablility to control a car, drive at safe speed and make correct decisions is not a funtion of a transmission.
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Mon, 23 August 2004 09:35
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ive been driving auto's for the last 2 months - and im going back to a 190 or so KW clamped onto a very heavy duty clutch .. Its gunna feel so alien to me !
Autos have thier place - but manuals are more fun
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Mon, 23 August 2004 09:46
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| fade-e wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 14:27 |
i hate auto, adding to that i believe that all people should get their licence on manual. it should be mandatory!!!!
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Wow... my thoughts exactly!
Lets get something straight up front, JUST 'CUZ YOU DRIVE AN AUTO DOESN'T MAKE YOU A BAD DRIVER! If you concentrate on what you are doing, and have a good sense of what the car is doing, then my distaste of automatics is not directed at you.
My problem is with those normal people who think manuals are too much hassle. TOO MUCH HASSLE? WTF? I focus on my driving. I focus on what my car is doing and keep a close eye on other road users and various hazards on the road so that I can avoid damaging property or causing injury. Changing gears isn't a hassle compared to that. So I wonder if perhaps these people who find driving a manual too much hassle find checking their mirrors too much hassle? Perhaps breaking for that kid running onto the road is too much hassle?
I look at the kinds of normal people who drive autos. They are un-attentive and don't focus on driving. They are more interested in the music they are playing or the conversation than driving their car. Sometimes they are downright scary to be in the car with.
I think putting auto drivers outside their comfort zone would go a great distance to help them appreciate that driving a car is actually a large responsibility, not just something you do to get around.
If they really can't be bothered so much, then they should catch public transport.
Having said that, driving a manual doesn't make you a good driver either. But it does help to focus you on the task at hand. What you do with that is up to you.
I don't think banning automatics is the way to go, but I think reducing the amount of automatics and changing peoples approach to driving would help. A good way to go about this would be to force people to get their licenses in manual cars and reduce the amount of automatic cars sold.
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Mon, 23 August 2004 10:28
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But if i didnt drive an auto how would I play my playstation, drink my coke, jerk myself off, talk on the phone and smoke a cigarette all at the same time...
ROFL
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Mon, 23 August 2004 11:47
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 20:28 |
But if i didnt drive an auto how would I play my playstation, drink my coke, jerk myself off, talk on the phone and smoke a cigarette all at the same time...
ROFL
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What I mean.
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Mon, 23 August 2004 12:50
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i hate autos. there dangerous for me. most times i take off then i go to put the clutch in quick and to my suprise i stop. then i realise that i just hit the oversized brake pedal
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Mon, 23 August 2004 13:27
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OMFG!!! THERE'S MY OLD CELICA IN YA PHOTO!!! i still think about that car at night sometimes, and everytime i wonder into the loney garage. . . hoping that selling the car to ya was justy a bad nightmare. . . i miss that car. i see it's still grey with no doors? how are ya going with it? i found a little celica st162. sunroof,power windows, mirrors, steering, rego, central locking, keyless entry, 5 speed 2L 20valve twin cam. . . $1000 . . . so what if it's done 300 000kms. . . nothing a drill and a 3sgte wont fix. but it'll never match up to my old 72 TA22
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Mon, 23 August 2004 21:18
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its going fine. i rubbed the whole thing back to bare metal and its going off to get sprayed later this week. i may be getting another ta22 this week as well as a friend of my mum has one that he was going to send to the wrecker. you cant beat a free car.
chris
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Mon, 23 August 2004 23:04
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Hi,
| Camry_omega wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 18:55 |
The ablility to control a car, drive at safe speed and make correct decisions is not a funtion of a transmission.
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Absolutely spot on.
If you drive a manual and you need to think about changing gears, and changing the gears is what keeps you concentrating and alert, then perhaps you need to revise your driving skills. I drive a manual and gear changing comes 2nd nature to me. If I had to think and concentrate to change gears then I'd go to an auto.
As far as highway driving goes, you just put it into 5th gear and from all intents and purposes the car may as well be an auto cos it stays in that gear all the time - assuming long flat highway.
Autos do have other gears and, in my wifes car, I push it down to the lower gears when required. Sure, it's not as much fun as a manual, but it still works and saves riding the brakes.
I used to down change to slow down, but the synchros are now shot and I use the brakes more - and, beleive me, it's a hell of a lot cheaper to replace pads then get your gearbox fixed - especially if its an old box and parts are hard to get.
As far as people who drive manuals who put their foot on the brake instead of the clutch when driving an auto, then they should be banned from driving an auto 'cos that's damn dangerous.
It's dumb to get people to learn on a manual 'cos the most important thing to learn is road awareness and the rules, not how to change gears. Once they get their license most will go and buy an auto anyway, which defeats the purpose of learning in a manual, 'cos driving a manual doesn't make you a better driver.
I've seen posts on this forum for gear-change lights and buzzers. If you need that to tell you when to change gears, then get an automatic.
What's next? We learn on cars with non-ABS? Turbo and non-turbo cars? LSD and non-LSD cars? Small sedans to wagons to large 4WDs to vans?
IMHO so long as the driver understands the rules and uses a bit of the grey matter to see whats going on around them and applies a bit of courtesy on the road, I don't give a tinkers toss what type of transmission they have. It doesn't really matter.
seeyuzz
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:11
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i think when people stamp on the brakes thinking it is a clutch while driving an auto are using the left foot braking technique. I think this technique is unecessary and shouldn't be done if the driver doesn't do it when driving a manual. It just ends up confusing most average drivers.
i don't think people should just learn road rules and not how to change gears properly and how to utilise the use of 3,2,1 on auto's when slowing down and the use of heel and toe in manuals. They should be taught in both manual and automatic cars, all the different techniques involved with advanced driving that is covered in the professional courses. People definatly should know what to do in emergency situations in both manual and automatic cars. But, yes it doesn't matter what type of transmission we use, this thread was about the joy of the control and driving thrill only acheieved by a manual configuration.
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:19
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Honestly,
How many people on here have had or know of someone having an accident PURELY because of the transmission in their car, Manual or Auto???
everyone is talking worst case scenario, hypothetical shit,....
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:40
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Just spoke to my Boss, who happens to be well versed in adult learning. Her oppinion is that everyone should learn in a Manual. She does however think that you should start off in a parking lot untill you are 100% confidant with the gears and hill starts before going onto the road. Either that or start learning in an Auto, and once you are confidant with dealing with other traffic, then move on to Manual.
While I agree with the first method of making the learner fully aware of the car before introducing other traffic, I don't think learning in an Auto first off is a good idea. You don't get the same feel for the car via the second method. I think you should start from the inside out, not outside in.
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:42
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| soaringmik wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 11:19 |
Honestly,
How many people on here have had or know of someone having an accident PURELY because of the transmission in their car, Manual or Auto???
everyone is talking worst case scenario, hypothetical shit,....
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Purly? None. Contributing factor? Two of the top of my head in the last two years.
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:42
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I think i could if i had the time and patience i could teach a monkey to drive an auto.
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:49
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| Evan wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 11:42 |
I think i could if i had the time and patience i could teach a monkey to drive an auto.
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If you had a car that was the right size I'm sure you could. I dunno how well it would grasp the concept of not ramming into things, but I'm sure it could get the car going. And thats the problem with most auto drivers.
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:54
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I think if I had the patience, I could teach a Monkey how to type poor arguments on these forums,...
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:55
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| soaringmik wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 11:24 |
I think if I had the patience, I could teach a Monkey how to type poor arguments on these forums,...
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Yeah well its not that difficult is it?
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:56
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| soaringmik wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 11:54 |
I think if I had the patience, I could teach a Monkey how to type poor arguments on these forums,...
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mate, if you thought i was serious then you can be the first monkey
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Tue, 24 August 2004 02:04
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Tue, 24 August 2004 02:04
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| soaringmik wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 11:54 |
I think if I had the patience, I could teach a Monkey how to type poor arguments on these forums,...
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Who's argument are you talking about?
Your arguments are the ones that don't seem very well constructed to me...
| soaringmik wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 17:10 |
And saying that more Auto drivers crash cars is just stupid,
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Well I'm convinced.
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Tue, 24 August 2004 02:12
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you guys get so worked up over nothing..... hilarious,.... am I not entitled to an opinion?, just like the opinions that you guys are forcing down people's throats?
get over it
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Tue, 24 August 2004 02:21
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| soaringmik wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 12:12 |
you guys get so worked up over nothing..... hilarious,.... am I not entitled to an opinion?, just like the opinions that you guys are forcing down people's throats?
get over it
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First we don't provide good enough arguments, now we take things to seriously? Stop stirring and either go away, or contribute something worthwhile.
I'm not forcing my opinion down your throat. I'm giving anyone who cares to read my posts my opinion and explaining my reasons for thinking this way, and challenging anyone to come up with counters to my argument. What you have provided so far are just worthless "I said so It's true" statements.
May I suggest you get over 'it' (being yourself) and go do something a little more constructive.
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Tue, 24 August 2004 02:28
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I stand by my previous comment,..
I live in hope that eventually you might realise how pontless this really is,..
Have a great day,. I would love to meet you sometime,..
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Re: Best feeling ever
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Tue, 24 August 2004 02:32
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Ill say something constructive...
Shraka, you sir are an idiot!
Hows that for consturctive, your comments on this thread have had no backup whatsoever and you just think that auto's make bad drivers...
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Re: Best feeling ever
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Tue, 24 August 2004 02:52
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 12:32 |
Ill say something constructive...
Shraka, you sir are an idiot!
Hows that for consturctive, your comments on this thread have had no backup whatsoever and you just think that auto's make bad drivers...
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I don't think you understand what constructive means.
I haven't backup up my arguments at all? What? I specifically went and asked the most qualified Adult Learning teacher I could find to see what she thought, and she agreed with me right off the bar. No I haven't actually gone and found documentation for you to read on adult learning, but I figure you can do that for yourself.
I think you're just squirming 'cuz you can't think of any way of actually damaging my argument so you attack me instead. It's typical, and I feel sorry for you. Please PLEASE, stop being an idiot, and just provide me with some actual REASON why you think driving an automatic is the same as driving a manual. I promise I'll do my best to disprove of it without resorting to calling you or your theory stupid.
Once again, just so we are clear I don't think your dumb or a bad driver for driving an Automatic, I just think the likelihood of normal people being bad drivers is increased by having a lot of the skill and work of driving taken away from them when learning in an Automatic.
Oh and someone equated learning a manual to being forced to drive cars without ABS. They are two totally different things. ABS is used only in emergencies and it is better at stopping a car than a human can under most circumstances. As ABS only comes into the equation in an emergency, it isn't useful as a learning tool, and is actually a safety upgrade, unlike an Automatic transmission.
And as for me just hating automatics, well that's not true at all. I loved taking a spin in Allan's MA70, and for a while afterwards was seriously considering getting an automatic car. Luckily I didn't have the money and my senses kicked back in and I realised I would miss manual far too much.
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Re: Best feeling ever
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Tue, 24 August 2004 03:32
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This should have stayed as an opinion thread. you always turn it into attacks on each other. all of you shut up and enjoy life and enjoy driving manuals over autos
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Re: Best feeling ever
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Tue, 24 August 2004 08:12
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Some of the arguements against autos are just plain silly.
I cannot see how making people have to learn about how to use a clutch, hill start and heel and toe and other associated manual skills is going to be of any use to them if they are going to only drive an auto at the end of the day, and lets face it the majority of passenger cars on the roads are autos, manual is now more an niche skill.
All police cars in nsw are autos to my knowledge, as are all company fleet cars. So for alot of people this skill of driving manual would be a pointless one.
Lastly i will state it again, forcing people to learn manual will not make them a better/safer driver, more education and training will do that
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Tue, 24 August 2004 08:42
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I think a big difference in safe driving is attitude.
You may remember that chicks are bad drivers (I don't necessarily think that), and this argument is a similar one.
Generally, manual drivers either drive a manual because that's what they got, or because they are more ofa car enthusiast than most other people, and want to improve their driving, and care more about driving than those who just want their license so they can potter around. A lot of drivers who choose manual fall into this category, of striving to be a smooth, safe driver, while there are a lot of drivers, some might say a lot of chicks, that simply don't care about cars and driving, and thus don't care about improving their skills and improving safety on the road.
Me personally, I think predictability and directness (if that's a word) are very important in a car. I don't think it's safe coming into a corner and the auto stays in a high gear, or when braking, etc. It comes down to predictability and directness... a manual, under throttle and brake, will behave more predictably than an auto simply because it is more direct... you control it, not a computer/valves.
I prefer manuals, but I drive an auto, because when I bought my car that's the box it came with and I can live with that. I got over the "I'm a better driver than you cause I drive a manual." argument a long time ago, like so many arguments it depends on the specific case (ie the driver). But my honest opinion is that autos lack the predictability, control, and directness of manuals... and I see that as a tad annoying, even if the safety issue I mentioned above was a little extreme.
That'll do.
Adrian
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Re: Best feeling ever
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Wed, 25 August 2004 01:06
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| Shraka wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 21:09 |
What support do you have for your argument that forcing people to learn manual wont improve their general driving skills Camry_omega? Should I just take it as gospel 'cuz you said so?
Driving an auto is comes down to laziness (or lack of ability in disabled people, but that's another matter), and I don't think I want lazy people on the roads personally.
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I refer to my previous comment, and ill add some more, you are such a retard!
Calling someone lazy just becuase they drive an auto is the dumbest comment i have ever heard, this may apply for 2% of the population, Did it ever occur to you that some people drive auto becuase they have no choice in the matter! i.e. Me, its near impossible to find a five speed *Z20 soarer and that goes for a lot of other cars too, Id rather drive an auto with decent brakes than a manual with shit brakes becuase if you dont drive a POS boonger then you dont need the failsafe!
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