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Wed, 14 July 2004 05:09
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people , anyone here now of anyother kind of afm that will be compatible with the 1g-gte afm
im on a little project here  any help appreciated
cheers
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 05:35
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the question is why, when the stadard one will handle close too 200rwkw
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Wed, 14 July 2004 05:42
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ITS NOT FOR POWER INCREASE AT ALL
ok hereswhat its for
car has vane type afm , i want to change to somethig without the vane -- hotwire maybe or something similar that will work on the 1g-gte
reason
i want to see if that will give the car the flutter noise thats coming fronm the turbo compressor surge
guessing that the vane from the afm will block out the sound i wanted to chanfge it
there , thats the whole reason , of trying to find out weter its the blitz bov that makes the noiseor weter the turbo makes it (compressor surge)
cheers
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 05:47
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factory 1G-gte ECU only knows about flap/vane-type afm.
if you wanted ot run hotwire, vortex or other AFM you'll be needing an aftermarket ecu.
is a lot of money just to identify source of compressor surge and flutter sound?
what about different BoV and/or a better boost control method (e.g. using one of celicamad's units unstead of the uncontrolled factory setup)?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 05:59
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if you want to remove the noise. fit the factory air box in all its entirity.
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:01
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FACTORY AIRBOX IS THE ONE IT HAS ATM ,car is a stocker im after the fluttering noise but instead get a whistling noise when lettin g of the accelerator pedal when on boost
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:02
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Yeah i have been wondering about this to steve. How do we get the fluttering. I know and aftermarket cooler won't do it either. What if you raise the boost? I don't know this yet as i am in the procces of boosting mein, have to buy the celica mad controller first  . Do some BOV's make the flutter noise??? Anyone have an answer?
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:07
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yeah man thats the answer im looking for as well , and thought might as well see for myself ,
im convinced now that the sound doesnt come from the bov at all , all the bov sound somewhta similar
ie -- none of them give outh the flutter noise
its defenitly coming from the turbo
but all th other cars that have the flutter ie silvia , skyline , 180 , they all have hotwire afm , ie nothing iside the afm in terms if restrictions
where as we have the piece of metal in there (vane )
thats the only thing thats stopping our cars from doing the fluttering im guessing thats why i wanted to see if we can get a different afm
well anyone else knowhow to get the flutter on a 1g-gte with the stock afm
or s there an actual bov tht makes the flutter noise 
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:31
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oh, so you want compressor surge? 
I'm confused...why would you want this (are you after a 'cool' sound??  ), I was under the impression that compressor surge was not a good thing (hell BOV's are meant to eliminate compressor surge) it shortens the life of the turbo.....
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:32
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farkkkkkkkkkkkkk thats what i was exactly trying to say spot on mate
bov not openin and pressure running into turbo creating flutter
and it worked with the vane , sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet
nowif u didnt mind ke382TG what boost were u running
andyea the whistkling noise , that got me confused as well
i think its the air escaping through the tiny little vent in the afm just under the vane so the air doesnt get registered ,
apparently that hole is for the compressor surge to be vented withought being registered by the afm ,
but then again if thas the case how come it didnt make the fluttering noise
another one could be theres a leak somewhere , but the car idles well and runswell albeit beng a bit sluggish
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:33
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i was listing other kinds (not brands) of AFM meters that i know of....
and i had read this bit :
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there , thats the whole reason , of trying to find out weter its the blitz bov that makes the noiseor weter the turbo makes it (compressor surge)
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as meaning that you had a Blitz Bov that was fluttering when you took foot off accel pedal.
maybe you have a leak in the intake somewhere?
is it a metalic scraping sound or high-pressure air squeal (like balloon or leaking tyre valve)?
Maybe other 1g owners know about loss of noise attenuation when removing AFM?
my guess is that the AFM will have minimal impact on fluttering sounds from compressor surge... if anything the noise might be louder.
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:37
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| indian wrote on Wed, 14 July 2004 16:32 |
andyea the whistkling noise , that got me confused as well
i think its the air escaping through the tiny little vent in the afm just under the vane so the air doesnt get registered ,
apparently that hole is for the compressor surge to be vented withought being registered by the afm ,
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ummm with the AFM being ahead of the turbo, compressor surge is going to be felt downstream of the turbo (e.g. in intercooler, throttle, etc) not before it... that hole is probably to drain moisture out of the unit.
me thinks you have leak somewhere...
anyway - if you run a BoV dumping to atmosphere to get sound then you'll be running rich as the ECU doesn't allow for air to be lost from the induction system - if you do want a BoV then it should plumb back into the intake before the turbos but after the AFM
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:39
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check for leak by spraying with mildly soapy water the nlook for bubbles? or get length of garden hose or tube and use a stethascope to listne for sucking sounds at idle...
a good start would be tightening up all the clamps on the piping too?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:48
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ie anybody else confused??!?!
do you want a fluttering noise??
if so fit a fluttering style BOV like a HKS SSQ.
if you ar ewondering what the noise is on a stock motor when you come off the accelerator when on boost. it's compressor surge and it's not such a great thing. it's heard even more when you run a pod style filter and I'm sure it'd be even worse if you didnt have a flap style afm.. but to remove the afm for more noise from compressor surge is stupid...
What do you want?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:50
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the flutter noise your hearing from silvies and all them sorts of cars are most definatly a sequential BOV like the HKS SSQ. designed to give that flutter.
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:51
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LOLLLLLLLLLLL SOZ TOGETALL OF YALL CONFUSED
ok i bought a blitz super sound bov assuming that it makes the fluttering kind of noise
i havent installed it yet cause i was told and heard one that just made the normal pshhhttt noise
so i was wondering how can i make that noise when someone told ne its compressor surge and is not very harmfull to the turbo and wil give theflutter noise ,
so thats what im after the flutter noise
i have the blitz bov
if thats any help
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:53
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get the HKS SSQ it'll give you the flutter noise.
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:54
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whqt the hks worth , and whts it look like , is i the very latest one got pic of his fluttering bov
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:56
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lolllllllll i dun mind i just like the noise it makes always been fascinated by it ,
people dont get me for it
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:58
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MMMMkkay, I am clearer now.
As stated, get a HKS supersequential BOV, that will give you the correct, non turbo harming fluttering sound you want. Most BOV just make the normal Psshhhhhhh, but like said before, if you run the AFM and a venting BOV be prepared for a little black smoke and the occassional backfire when the BOV does it's thing and the ECU doesn't know what to do.
As for compressor surge, it's usually only heard inside the car anyway, not from the outside and you DO NOT want compressor surge! No one thinks it's cool.
I am going home, my head hurts
No one is angry it was just a bit confusing and hey, if you don't ask questions you can't learn 
It's your car, do what you want with it, in the end you are the one who has to be happy with it.
[Updated on: Wed, 14 July 2004 07:02]
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 07:06
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thanks all for the input , very much appreciate it , so i must getthe hks valve toget the flutter damn now i have to go and sell the blitz one
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Wed, 14 July 2004 07:57
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I'm worried , compressor surge is not a good thing! If you just want a fancy noise, get a BOV, but bear in mind that if it doesn't recirculate (i.e. vent back into the system) the Air Flow Meter/ecu will not be really happy. 
btw try and work on your English skills a bit
(hell the forum does have a spell checker... )
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 08:57
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Um look if you are still running twin turbos you will get shit all noise. There are many cars that do not utilise BOV's and the turbos on these cars have lasted years. As long as you dont boost the shit out of it and back spin the wheel you shoudl not have a problem. And last but not least YOU WILL NOT get any noise except for a slight air sounding flutter if you manage to run a hot wire afm in front of your turbo. So do not be expecting a high pitch tutututututututu out of your turbo if you manage to run a hotwire infront of your turbo. I have much expirence in getting these noises (thats what happens when you hang around vlturbos to much) and can say a lot more than just afm goes into getting such noises.
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 09:13
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bah. you can hav a loud BOV, Craigzee had some HKS BOV fitted, not a SSQ. and running 10psi it was really loud. completely stock 1g-gte gen 3
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 09:40
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I just converted my 1g to single turbo and it now makes those flutter noises your talking about. Its not like the noises you on vl's but its there. I know what your trying to do because i was experimenting with it myself not long ago, and the twin turbo setup will show you no love. So unless you go single turbo you might have to be content with what youve got.
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 22:40
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hmm welll thats what i was thinking as well maybe cause its the twin turbo , i dunno what a vl turbo flutter sound slike never heard one yet,
hwo the car going with the single conversion mate
also fellas , will the car run rich if the piping has leaks in it cause mines running pretty rich when u floor the car like heaops of smoke out the back , i dunno if its actually fuel or smoke from blowby as i seen some oil in the oil filter
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Wed, 14 July 2004 22:47
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| indian wrote on Thu, 15 July 2004 08:40 |
as i seen some oil in the oil filter
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Well you'd hope so!
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Wed, 14 July 2004 22:50
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sorry was meant to be air filter
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Thu, 15 July 2004 05:37
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I know what Testa_Dura is talking about coz when I did my single turbo conversion I get the flutter noise when I suddenly let go of the throttle, if I ease off then i dont get that noise. Planning to get the plumb back bov done soon..
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Thu, 15 July 2004 07:40
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Punkdefender: You can get a flutter noise out of a single turbo 1g with the afm, but its a piss weak air sounding flutter. If you have heard many vl owners have a high pitched noise flutter sound (e.gtutututututututu) it cannot be attained with the with the 1ggte running a stock computer. End of story and if you think you can get these noises out of it, you have misinterpreted what me or Testa Dura are talking about.
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Thu, 15 July 2004 07:59
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Well I don't know how loud the flutter noise is suppose to be, but I was stating the experience I had with my setup... end of story..
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Thu, 15 July 2004 18:40
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ok i think if you want the flutering sound all you need to do is tighten the screw on top of the bov
my friend has a blitz blah blah blah bov and wanted to make the same sound as the ssq so all i did was tighten the top screw and instead of a psssht it was a tu tu tu tu
i think thats what your tryin to ask right??
dunno how good it is for the turbo and the car tho....but who cares....not my car
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Fri, 16 July 2004 06:52
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Thats because you tighten the screw in the BOV makes it thighter, hence takes more boost to open it, boost which that car was not obviously making. So all that was happening was compressor stall the BOV wasnt doing shit.
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Sat, 17 July 2004 02:36
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YOu can always use a HKS VPC to run the car with no air flow meter at all
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Sat, 17 July 2004 08:17
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just put some sort of pod filter on ya afm, then just snap ya feet off the acelerator realy fast and you will get the sound
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Sun, 18 July 2004 08:29
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Thats a ghey sound though
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Sun, 18 July 2004 22:42
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sajeewa how much the conversion set u back man, i might do the same thing soon if my twins decide to pack up
cheers
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Sun, 18 July 2004 22:44
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| HKS_TRD wrote on Sat, 17 July 2004 12:36 |
YOu can always use a HKS VPC to run the car with no air flow meter at all
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what the hell is the hks vpc
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Tue, 07 September 2004 01:53
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LOLLLL PRICEEEYYYYYYYYYYY
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Tue, 07 September 2004 02:49
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The single turbo conversion set me back around $1800, but I was lucky to find the manifold for around $200 on ebay. Supraman sells the whole kit for around $1500 from memory and probably another $1000 to fit it. I made 179 rwkw on the last toymods dyno meet.
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Tue, 07 September 2004 08:05
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Indian i got the turbo flutter noise from just putting a POD filter on my car, now i have the BOV it has diminished which is good becuase turbo flutter is bad, and its what a BOV is meant to stop
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Re: 1g-gte AFM OPTIONS
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Tue, 07 September 2004 23:36
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yeah my bov is going good, its not too loud and it serves its purpose, so the 5-0 dont pay much attention too me, which is kinda pointless now considering how loud my exhaust is at full throttle...
Pod filter is the first upgrade i would do anyway...
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