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suspension vs lsd
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Wed, 08 September 2004 16:46
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i'm gonna take a bullet here for asking this question
for a newbie which is more important to get first?
suspension or lsd first?
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Wed, 08 September 2004 17:02
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lsd
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Adelaide
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June 2003
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Wed, 08 September 2004 17:29
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mm i have both and now that i have both i really have to say you need them both,
unless you have a really powerfull car and your getting wheelspin every day id go with the suspension first, however if you do reguarily get the tail out in your car, or you like hammering it off from the lights and you get wheelspin doing this, go with the LSD first
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Location:
Perth
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April 2003
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Wed, 08 September 2004 17:43
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Get the LSD and tune the suspension around it
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Wed, 08 September 2004 23:32
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Before everyone leaps to conclusions, more info is required. For example, what car do you have? If it's a Corolla with a stock 3K, I'd suggest an LSD is a waste of time.  And what are you going to use the car for? Driving to the shops? Circuit racing? Drags? Full sik dorifto action bro? Details!
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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February 2003
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Thu, 09 September 2004 00:52
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cut the springs, bumps, wind up the castor, weld the diff, and away you go 
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Location:
Melbourne
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June 2004
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Thu, 09 September 2004 01:07
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i'm gonna go the opposite... i went with suspension first... its a cheaper option and its more obvious to tell the gains... esspecially if your current suspension is 20yo and shot to shit...
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Thu, 09 September 2004 08:00
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i also went with suspension 1st.. but got the diff installed along with the 1jz
if ur car doesent have too much power.. id say suspension would feel more rewarding
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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brisvegas
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August 2004
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Thu, 09 September 2004 09:33
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i didn't belive it myself..but my mate in his silver AE86 stock 4ac..drifts it just as good as me!! in the wet mind you..linkinig corners and even huge long truns..slides the tail out all over the shop..i'll get it on vid one of these days..he has low kings on all 4 corners with new KYB shocks, bushes done, and whiteline adjustable swaybars front/back..it's crazy this car shouldn't be doing this!! 
ohh it's got the stock open center too!!
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Location:
Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Thu, 09 September 2004 10:10
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all drifting is controlled oversteer
as long as the rear loses traction and you control it into several turns you're drifting. thats my understanding of it
so your mates obvious lack of power is negated by the wet conditions
i could sort of drift(maybe link 2 or 3 short turns in an industrial estate i used to live near) in the wet with my old excel...goooo the handbrake
btw
on topic
i'd go suspension then LSD
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Location:
Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Thu, 09 September 2004 12:14
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The 4ac has enough power for the wet. It heaps of fun.
Open diffs can link corners too. 
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February 2003
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Thu, 09 September 2004 23:32
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| monkeymajik wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 18:30 |
Cut down AU Falcon springs in the rear go alright i've heard.
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Yep also old skool BMW are a direct install with harder spring rate and good ride height 
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Location:
brisvegas
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August 2004
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Fri, 10 September 2004 05:38
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i have found that AE92 superlow kings for the front..and RA40 celica low kings with exactly half a coil chopped off (from the bottom end coil to directly above it) works pretty well..cheap..and very very stiff!
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Location:
brisbane
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August 2004
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Fri, 10 September 2004 05:56
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This is why cutting springs is a bad idea. First of all you have completely altered the ride of the vehicle since you have removed the preload from the spring (it has been heated until deformed plastically - any preload will be eliminated during this process). This means when you go over the speed bump you will come down harder.
You have reduced the number of active coils and decreased the amount of deflection you have available to resist impact. This means your body (both you and the car) will take more of a beating faster.
You have introduced thermal stresses in the material and possibly surface defects which will reduce the life of the spring.
In essence you have dropped the vehicle lower to the ground possibly improved handling and aerodynamics however you have done it at great expense to the vehicle. You have made the ride bumpier and put more punishment on the rest of the vehicle. You have also reduced the life of the springs.
In my opinion, the only way to get a decent result from lowering a car is to fit shorter but harder springs, so that the reduced suspension travel is compensated for by increased spring rate.
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Banned user
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Liverpool NSW
Registered:
March 2004
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Fri, 10 September 2004 06:01
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I started first with the lsd and cut springs, it drifts has long has you are in the torque band. Constantly in between 4500 and 5500 rpm when your sideways. Power drift wont work on a 4ac, but dynamic drift will.
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Location:
brisbane
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August 2004
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Fri, 10 September 2004 06:36
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actually i changed my mind you should remove your springs completly and sit the car on its bump stops they dont do anything anyway, also hook up some windscreen washer boxes to squirt onto all your tyres, next you should fill the windcreen washer box with diesel so you will be slipping and sliding all over the place like the famous japanese guy who eats tofu, also you should remove any exhaust product to give maximum wow effect when you are skating sideways through chinatown on friday night, this will enable you to look like a pro
everybody knows neon lights are illegal but what about 1000w tinted spotlights under your car, this combined with a ae86 will make you full sik
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Fri, 10 September 2004 08:06
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I'd probably be going suspension here, seeing as my RA60 handles better than most LSD-equipped Mk2 Supras I know. With a decent dose of power it may change.
All these people who are talking about cutting springs and adapting shit from other cars, what is wrong with using suspension designed for the AE86, there is a shitload available. Hell, if it's not the right height or spring rate, take it to a spring works and get them reset, doesn't cost much and a darn sight safer!
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VIC, Sth Frankston.
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July 2003
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Fri, 10 September 2004 08:27
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Get both, and a 4ag.
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Fri, 10 September 2004 09:30
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Suspension first - LSD later ..
suspension will settle it down for daily duties , LSD is really only needed if you start " playing " about or need tio feed larger amounts of power ..
It wont help much cruising to work at 50KM monday to friday
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I supported Toymods
Location:
sydney.au
Registered:
August 2002
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Fri, 10 September 2004 15:54
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SUSPENSION FIRST!
dont listen to these fools
get decent suspension setup first
if you cant afford it all at once, buy the urethane/rubber bushing kit from TRD. makes a LOT of difference to a 20yr old car with worn bushings.
but when thats done:
springs + swaybars
adj. shocks
panhard rod
tension rods
rca's
adjustable camber tops
rear 4 links (or new nolethane bushings for OEM items)
coilovers (if you can afford)
then the LSD/final gear/engine upgrades
just think, what good is an lsd if your car has the bodyroll of a truck that is keeping it from working correctly/efficiently?
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Fri, 10 September 2004 22:34
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exactery ..
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Location:
Melbourne
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June 2004
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Sat, 11 September 2004 02:18
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Ignoring the wonders of an LSD in a RWD is all well and good if you've got an elastic band for an engine chaps. Which, now that I think about it, most toyota drivers do. Ummm... . . .
Well, if anyone does happen to get a wheel-spinning "donk" in their rear-driver, you gots'ta get the LSD first. Ya GOTS'TA ! ! !
-Once you can get the rears turning, the difference between an LSD equipped car and a single-spinner is unbeleivable. really. trust me! Nothing annoys quite like lining up an apex->exit run, feeding in the power, feeling the inside rear start spinning A N D . . . that's it! just inside-rear wheelspin. D'OH!! Where's my LSD!!!
Except maybe, FWD. Yup. that annoys me more. 
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Sat, 11 September 2004 03:23
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My oppinion.. you kinda want both.
But Ima have to say get suspension first, I mean logically you can still drive a car without LSD
Suspension, then LSD, then you'll be set
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Location:
Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: suspension vs lsd
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Sat, 11 September 2004 07:36
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| djbourboncan wrote on Fri, 10 September 2004 16:36 |
actually i changed my mind you should remove your springs completly and sit the car on its bump stops they dont do anything anyway, also hook up some windscreen washer boxes to squirt onto all your tyres, next you should fill the windcreen washer box with diesel so you will be slipping and sliding all over the place like the famous japanese guy who eats tofu, also you should remove any exhaust product to give maximum wow effect when you are skating sideways through chinatown on friday night, this will enable you to look like a pro
everybody knows neon lights are illegal but what about 1000w tinted spotlights under your car, this combined with a ae86 will make you full sik
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