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wollongong
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February 2004
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ae86 rack into t-18
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Fri, 10 September 2004 06:13
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hey does anybody know if you can put a ae86 rack and pinion steering set up into a t-18???
any info would be good
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Terrigal
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May 2002
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Fri, 10 September 2004 06:22
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As far as I know T18's use a steering box setup. So without a lot of work, no.
Someone please correct me if i'm wrong and some T18's do have r&p?
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Fri, 10 September 2004 06:26
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Te71/72's have a reticulating ball setup.
i have heard about doing the r&p conversion by transferring the crossmember and rack all over. im told you need to cut the firewall to compensate for the steering column which goes in at a different angle.
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Location:
wollongong
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February 2004
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Fri, 10 September 2004 09:28
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so does that mean if i was to use a rack and crossmember from an ae86 i can bolt up?? and does anyone know which t-18's came with rack and pinion?
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Fri, 10 September 2004 10:11
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KE70 Corolla's (ie same chassis as TE7x) came with rack-and-pinion steering. If you want to do a conversion it would be logical to use the crossmember and steering hardware from one of these.
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Location:
Melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Fri, 10 September 2004 22:59
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ke or ae crossmember would require k or a series motor,corect?
Not such a bad thing though (a).
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Sat, 11 September 2004 05:13
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no t18s came with r&p
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Sat, 11 September 2004 05:16
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The crossmember bolts right in, then you have to swap around the engine mounts on the member if you want to use a T engine.
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Location:
wollongong
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February 2004
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Sat, 11 September 2004 10:40
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ok so the ae86 crossmember will fit i'll just have to switch the engine mounts for a T series engine? is there a difference in spacing of the mounts on the crossmember? and does anyone have any info on fitting a 1g-gte to that crossmember??
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Sat, 11 September 2004 12:54
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The mounts need to come forward for the T engine as opposed to an A engine. Remember that a KE70 member will do just as well for what you want, and probably be easier to find..
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Sat, 11 September 2004 15:03
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and 100 times cheaper 
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Location:
wollongong
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February 2004
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Sun, 12 September 2004 00:28
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around how much do you think?
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Location:
Tasmania
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May 2002
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Sun, 12 September 2004 02:34
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No T engined car ever came with rack and pinion. Rack and pinion only came in the KE70 and AE71, and AE86. This is because the 2T/3T is a bigger engine, and with the gearbox-block stiffeners, bigger sump etc, it is hard to fit both a 2T/3T and a rack and pinion in the same car.
I put rack and pinion in my KE55 once, with 4K motor. It was alot of work. Just putting it in seamed easy (had to make a hybred steering colum, welded mounts to the crossmember etc). Then it took many sleepless nights wondering why it didn't work. Its all about geometry, and takes the most intelegent and mechanical minded person to work it out. I eventualy got it all out again, had to cut/weld/machine most of the parts to the right lengths and angles, and got it to work finaly and the car handled great.
Then I put the 2T-G in and the rack and pinion would not fit with it so I gave up and went back to the old steering. The old steering is ok. I advise against any rack and pinion conversion, unless you think you are very smart, have a lathe, a tig welder, lots of spare time, and lots of Technical LEGOtm to help you think why it didn't work the first time.
(Its all about bump steer, I know the secret if you must do this)
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Sun, 12 September 2004 02:50
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Well it IS possible to stuff the rack+peanut under a T engine, just that real estate is kind of expensive.. The advantage of a T18 over a KE55 is that you can use all the factory parts from the one car - crossmember, rack, lower arms, struts, etc. wherever you need to in order to get things to work without nasty surprises.
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Location:
New Zealand
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May 2002
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 Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Sun, 12 September 2004 11:34
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| Jonny2TG wrote on Sun, 12 September 2004 14:34 |
No T engined car ever came with rack and pinion.
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I take it you mean T series Corolla. 
Callum
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Location:
Tasmania
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May 2002
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Sun, 12 September 2004 12:31
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OK you are right. There was the TA63 Celica, and TT144 Corona both with 3T-GTE engine and rack and pinion. Also maybe a TA60 type car with 2T-GEU and rack and pinion?
Note how some later model 2T-GEU engines have narrower box-block stiffeners. The iron stiffeners bolt to 2 holes in the block either side, but only a single bolt hole where it bolts to the gearbox. Maybe for rack and pinion clearance.
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Location:
wollongong
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February 2004
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Location:
New Zealand
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May 2002
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Re: ae86 rack into t-18
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Mon, 13 September 2004 09:12
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| Jonny2TG wrote on Mon, 13 September 2004 00:31 |
Note how some later model 2T-GEU engines have narrower box-block stiffeners. The iron stiffeners bolt to 2 holes in the block either side, but only a single bolt hole where it bolts to the gearbox. Maybe for rack and pinion clearance.
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I can check mine for you next time I get near my car if you want. The TA6X (not sure on the number might be 3) with 2TG is also definitely rack and pinion. I can try to check my mates one as well to see if there is a difference between the block stiffeners for the T50 and W55 boxes.
Callum
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