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Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 08:39
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I have an 83 sprinter, stock.I also have a 4AGE that needs some work.I would like some advice on parts i need and on where to get them.
4AGE needs-
-Head Gasket
-Fuel Pump
-Fuel Rail
-Altenator
-Extractors
I can get all parts exept head gasket,and extractors.
Also i need an ECU, i was planning on getting an aftermarket one, ideas?There are a lot of things i need.Maybe i should post this in parts wanted.
Nick
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 08:44
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anthony kellam has extractors or you could check for sale section
headgasket from auto parts store or toyota?
many types of aftermarket ecu's, choice is upto you
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 08:51
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If you have a stock sprinter and $3,000 I would strongly suggest you lok at doing a 4AGZE conversion. I'm not really into sprinters or 4A's, but you can probably get a good engine loom & factory ecu for about $1000-$1500 and the rest to do a basic installation.
You'd be nuts spending $3k on a stock 4AGE.
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 08:56
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Well im not sure, i think i should get an aftermarket ECU, just because then i can tune it and further mods will be fine.That said, what will a stock ECU and loom cost me, i have a whole list of parts i want/ need.Like an LSD,and suspension.If you are prepaired to listen i will post them.
Nick
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 08:58
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I already have a 4AGE, not in the car yet.I got it for free, so i will be using it.The rest if the money will be, diff, disc's, cage, suspension etc. Whatever i can afford.
Nick
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Baulko Hillo
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April 2004
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 08:59
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| KOD 86 wrote on Fri, 10 September 2004 18:56 |
Like an LSD
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Hmmm..... Dude, things cost a lot. Have you actually priced stuff up? I don't mean to sound condescending, but doing up an AE86 is not the cheapest job around if you do it properly.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 09:05
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susp ~ 2k
diff ~ 2k
full cage ~ 1k
average prices
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 09:17
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yeah i have priced stuff, LSD, i want to try and get for $1000, we shall see.I know things are expensive, but right now this all i have and want to know what is the best plan.First i want to get my 4AGE in and running, then a Diff. I will then figure out where to go from there.Im not sure on the price of suspension, i know i could spend thousands but what is the cheapest and best solution. I know i am being difficult, wanting everything for nothing, and i probably wont get evrything i want, but i will make a start with the money i have.
Nick
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 09:21
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All I can suggest is, get the engine together and installed before you spend money on anything else. Don't forget to do basic things like timing belt (Garth  ) new plugs etc... I'm pretty confident that after you get the engine in, there won't be as much money left over as you thought. There's always cunty little things and it's these that blow budgets way out.
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 09:28
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Yeah, once you have all that stuff in your car, can you come and build mine for me? I have 80c here, that should be enough... right? 
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full cage ~ 1k
average price
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Um.... that's a mighty average rollcage. What's it made from, PVC and zip ties? Last time I looked into it, a quality cage was more like two-three times that amount.
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 09:28
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Yeah thats what i think as well, i will get it going, then figure it out.By that time i will be broke and will not need to make a decision and parts.
Thanks
Nick
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Adelaide
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 09:33
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Full cage generally costs between 1500 and 2500 depending on materials and options.
1/2 cage for 1k maybe.
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 10:12
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| 7M-Brisbane wrote on Fri, 10 September 2004 19:28 |
Um.... that's a mighty average rollcage. What's it made from, PVC and zip ties? Last time I looked into it, a quality cage was more like two-three times that amount.
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What do you have against PVC and zip-ties?
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 10:33
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Thanks, that was what i wanted as a reply! I will start work on Monday, first thing is cleaning up the 4AGE and sorting out suspension.Thanks for everyones help.
Nick
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 10:36
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you think 1500 dollars for a 4age installation is going to cut it? even if you do do it yourself.
I Guess it depends on how many shortcuts you take and if you are going to bring it to an auto electrician.
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I supported Toymods
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 11:10
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i've seen half cages for around 500
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 11:13
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| ae95 wrote on Fri, 10 September 2004 21:06 |
does it look like pvc to you?
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Maybe not PVC, but it does look pretty flimsy!
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 11:23
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Jeez, calm down Mr Defensive! I've got this mental image of you poking me in the chest trying to start a fight... "maybe Cusco should look to you to redesign their cages, tough guy! Huh? Huh??" *poke* 
I'm not saying it doesn't fulfil its intended purpose (ie prevent the driver from being squashed in a rollover), but anyone with eyes can see that contraption is pretty flimsy as rollcages go. When I think of a "full cage" I'm thinking a proper cross-braced cage like you see in practically all forms of motorsport.
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 11:26
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| Norbie wrote on Fri, 10 September 2004 21:23 |
Jeez, calm down Mr Defensive! I've got this mental image of you poking me in the chest trying to start a fight... "maybe Cusco should look to you to redesign their cages, tough guy! Huh? Huh??" *poke*
I'm not saying it doesn't fulfil its intended purpose (ie prevent the driver from being squashed in a rollover), but anyone with eyes can see that contraption is pretty flimsy as rollcages go. When I think of a "full cage" I'm thinking a proper cross-braced cage like you see in practically all forms of motorsport.
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just need a couple bits of angle pop rivited to it 
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 11:30
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im quite calm, got any other useful info you would like to contribute to this thread?
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 11:44
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Yes. You smell like wee.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 12:05
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and you smell like you have a fist imprint in your face 
CALM DOWN 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 12:17
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| Norbie wrote on Fri, 10 September 2004 19:13 |
| ae95 wrote on Fri, 10 September 2004 21:06 |
does it look like pvc to you?
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Maybe not PVC, but it does look pretty flimsy!
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Anything to add rigidity to an AE86 chassis can only be a good thing.
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 13:07
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| ShiRi wrote on Fri, 10 September 2004 21:01 |
defently if u can do it urself it won't cost u a dime...
someone did it himself ... was it ae92??? i think... didn't cost him anything...
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I did mine myself.... Except for wiring. Even minus that, there is no way I could have done it for $1,500.... That is, properly anyways.
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Re: Stock sprinter + $3000, advice?
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Fri, 10 September 2004 13:57
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From Cusco Site
*40mm chrome molybdenum pipes used 33% percent lighter that a similar steel roll bar.
*Lightweight joints used Increased safety with competition roll bar layout.
*Mounted such to increase body rigidity.
Our bar layout is designed from extensive experience. Bar structures based on feedback from the track that looks good as it's effective. Designed from our extensive experience, the rigidity seen in the interior extensive piping is a feedback from our racing experience.
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I have something to add regarding this.
The supposed safety21 cage is more like a "safe"ty 21 cage. It is nothing more than a cosmetic cage which will do nothing in the case of a roll over accident, which is what a cage is designed to protect the driver from. The 40mm Chromoly pipe is thinner than even the mild steel (read: stronger, less brittle, more impact absorbing) which CAMS require on their cages. The minimum thickness for a CAMS compliant cage is 44.45mm, and 2.5mm pipe wall (Schedule J, Section 4). The 40mm thickness is way under this. In addition im 99% sure that the June update stated that Chromoly cages must be at least 1.5 to 2 times the physical thickness/size as their mild steel equivalents in order to compensate for the lack of strength.
Secondly, the safety21 cage design only complies to 3 of the 22 CAMS ROPS specifications, and as such does not comply as a CAMS cage. Not only that, but the welds on a Safety21 cage are flimsy at best and the last one i saw had cracking in the rear stay and main hoop welds a mere 2 months after it was installed. In addition, the cage is a bolt in cage, with no reinforcement to the floor. In the case of a rollover accident, it is highly likely that the cage will tear through the sheet metal which makes up the floor of an AE86. All of the safety21 cages that i have inspected (around 5-6) have not even been mounted to the chassis rails, and rather straight to the sheet metal floor. This is a design flaw, not an install flaw, because the design is such that it can never be bolted to the chassis rails as this woudl impede the driver/navigator. However, it is possible on the main hoop and the rear hoop if not the front hoop. In the case of a rollover the cage is actually more likely to cause serious injury to the driver/passenger than protect from anything.
Thirdly, with the mounting design there is no lateral support except in the roof, therefore the lateral mounts (floor) are more likely to shear the bolts under a side impact rather than add anything to the structural rigidity of the car. In addition i would question their stability in heavy cornering, as there are no horizontal stays or supports lower than the roof. As far as structural rigidity the A-spec bar would be quite superior to the Cusco cage.
Also the complete lack of diagonal crossbracing does not lead me to conclude that there is any significant torsional (N-S) rigidity in this cage at all. In addition this immediately disqualifies it from being a CAMS certified cage.
I hope this short expose gives you a small insight into why i absolutely do not trust the "safe"ty 21 cage, and certainly would not make my life depend on it. Sure if you want a cosmetic cage, which looks nice, and may add some minor rigidity go ahead and spend your $800 on it. But i wouldnt poke it with a barge pole.
I have nothing against Cusco, and infact i quite admire some of their products, and use them on my car. But having blind faith in a product because its blue (or any other manufacturer's colour) and comes with a shiny sticker (and lets face it, the metal stickers are nice and shiny) is foolish in my eyes. A product should stand on its own merits, not be supported by a shiny brandname.
EDIT: I also forgot to mention that the design with the pipework moulded around the front of the dash is merely adding stress points which the already brittle Chromoly does not need adding to. The hoop legs should be as straight as possible without major stress points, otherwise stress fractures are likely to develop.
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