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realistic 1g power
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Sun, 12 September 2004 22:04
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alright, i have been looking around for some time now, and i just simply cant find all that much information about the 3rd generation 1ggte and its reliable power potential. i know you can turn up the boost about 2-4 more lbs without messing things up, but i need something like 300hp, with the fattest torque curve possible. is this honestly a realistic gaol, or am i still dreaming. i can get parts from japan with out a problem.
Ryan
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Sun, 12 September 2004 22:52
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300hp is a walk in the park for a 1G. All you'll need is a suitable turbo and engine management.
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Mon, 13 September 2004 03:18
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and the money to purchase those bits 
Don't forget fuel system. Not sure how much the stock one is good for. They are 330cc injectors from memory?
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June 2004
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Mon, 13 September 2004 05:20
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alright, so its apparent that i need to change out turbo/s. what do you guys recomend? single or twin? and what would you recomend for the engine managment? i dont know enough about toyota ECUs, cant i just have it reprogramed instead of popping for a whole new system?
Ryan
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Location:
Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Mon, 13 September 2004 05:36
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300hp. I guess your talking about at the wheels
thats rougly 200kw.
165rwkw is the limit of the stock turbos with aftermarket management and stock cooler running 16psi.
so you havent got much to go.
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Location:
wangaratta
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May 2004
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Mon, 13 September 2004 07:07
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does anyone know what the power potential is with highflowing the standard turbos?? or is that 165 rwkw with highflowing??
just out of curiosity.
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Mon, 13 September 2004 07:52
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I thought he was talking about 300hp at the engine and that would be even closer to the 165rwkw mark.
Is your car auto or manual? If it is auto, you would have to piggy back a computer to the standard one as it runs the auto.
so are you looking for 300hp at the wheels or at the flywheel?
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June 2004
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Mon, 13 September 2004 21:18
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If you are looking for 300rwhp I would be looking at a t04 single turbo kit. Supraman on here seems to have them fairly often and usually around $1500-$2000ish. Then you would need a good intercooler, some injectors around 440cc to be safe (I don't know what fits 1g), exhaust and ECU.
There may be some other things that I have forgotten
I couldn't tell you how this would drive as I only had a near stock 1g, but going by that, if you were to put a large t04 on it, I think it would be pretty laggy and then REAL fast!
Do a search on "1g t04" though as I am pretty sure someone asked about it a couple of weeks ago.
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Location:
PNG
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June 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Mon, 13 September 2004 23:16
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Some facts.
1ggtes have a seperate computer for the auto.
Injectors are 225cc for gen1 and gen2 245cc.
Turbo $1850 (GT25 8004 - .64 turbine cover .8 TO4S compressor cover)
HKS exhaust manifold $500 (second hand)
Computer $1400 - (microtech LTX8 specially configured)
Injectors $300 - (7mgteu plug striaght in)
Intercooler $400 - (hybrid)
Throttle body $100 - (EB manual falcon)
Coil pack $60 - (EL falcon 6 pack)
Ignition leads $100
Exhaust dump pipe and cat and intercooler piping $1600
Machining $450 - (adaptors for turbo and inlet manifold)
Temp sensor $60 - (Delco)
Fuel pump $400 - Bosch motor sport
Upgraded fuel line $50
All the things that I forgot $400 - clamps, piping, electro plating bolts etc
Dyno ??? - haven't got the bill yet but will be around $500.
About $8200. Then you need to factor in lots of weekends to assemble all of the gear and to put it all together. I have full workshop facilities so could do the fabrication of brackets etc myself. I also did all of the wiring.
The car was dyno'd yesterday and delivered 200kw at 13 psi!
I also fitted a 6 speed gearbox at the same time.
Craig
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Location:
PNG
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June 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Mon, 13 September 2004 23:19
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By the way I paid $200 plus shipping for the motor as the one I had in the car was dead.
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June 2004
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Tue, 14 September 2004 02:45
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thanks for the help guys, i really do appreciate it. i guess i should add that i am looking for something that i can drive around daily in the terable weather we have here in Colorado, USA. everything from snow to hail to ice. i need something that will give me great low-end responce and power just off idle if possible. so i figured that doing a pair of slightly larger and more efficient turbos would be more what i am looking for. i figured on the new injectors and the engine managment too. but i am honestly looking for a great responding engine that i can get as much power out of as possible. i hear that HKS makes a twin kit that delivers 300+ right out the box. anyone know bout that set up?
Ryan
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Tue, 14 September 2004 07:07
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Find out when i eventually get mine on the dyno, lets hope within the next millinuim.
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Location:
newcastle nsw
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Tue, 14 September 2004 23:21
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ddeane, thats pretty much the same set up as what im running, except different turbo and im running the mtx8 comp.
would be interested to see your dyno graph, and power output when the boost gets wound up.
some pics of your set upwould be nice too see also 
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June 2004
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Location:
PNG
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June 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Wed, 15 September 2004 01:36
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Steve
What Turbo are you running?
Craig
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June 2004
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Thu, 23 September 2004 19:31
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Steve and Graig, anything new on your projects?
Ryan
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Location:
Newcastle
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Thu, 23 September 2004 19:46
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hi there....
Steve has a to4e..... has made 208kw.
i also have a to4e, though different to steves.... with a factory computer and injectors it has run 12.5 @ 110.8 mph so far (only been to one meet).
it is a little lagier than the factory set up.... but i reckon it makes the same power at the same revs - ie - old set up at 3000rpm - 15psi, new set up makes bout 8 psi by 3000rpm... feels bout the same except the new turbo continues to make sheaps more power as the revs rise.
i would NEVER consider going back to factory twins.
Craig, you have to be happy with that result so far...
Cheers
Stew
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Location:
newcastle nsw
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May 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Fri, 24 September 2004 01:31
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ya pretty much what stewy said, as for being laggy ya it is a little, not long ago i fitted one of pauls boost controlers, which made it come on a lot better i think.
a few changes will be made, and another tune and ill be back down there for another run, as ive only racked up a 13.4
(no smart ass comments from stewy needed, as i already know im lazy  )
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June 2004
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Location:
Newcastle
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May 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Fri, 24 September 2004 07:58
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hi,
yeah mate thats exactly what i'm saying....
you will be surprised just how well it runs.....
the AF are rich but safe... and everywhere else it drives like a dream.
Cheers
Stew
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Location:
On your mum!
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Fri, 24 September 2004 09:21
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rcodea,
you will be able to make 300hp at the wheels with garret gt25 (also referred to as a t04s of some description) - these are rated at around 440hp, with 0.82rr housing, they are only 1.85/2.12" turbine dia and should boost pretty quickly - power will not be too 'light switch' either.
Having said that; I don't have a 1G and I am running a GT30 on my 1.8L 4 cyl (I like top end and neck snapping power delivery).
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Location:
Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Fri, 24 September 2004 09:53
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Craig, good to hear you got your 1G together & making the numbers you wanted.
Will you be at the CCG dyno day? Chat to you then....
Cheers
Phil L
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Plumpton/sydney
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Fri, 24 September 2004 10:10
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There was a guy getting around on the preformance fourms and he has clamed to be making 450+ rwkw with a 1G but he has custom everything and an 800hp turbo
Stew
The turbo that you have is that the one from kristian
BEN
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Location:
PNG
Registered:
June 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Fri, 24 September 2004 11:32
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Phil
I fly out to PNG on the 25th so have not yet worked out the dyno day. Chances are looking better.
My car is even fatter down low with the GT25 than with the standard turbos. I am making around 45 rwkw at 2000rpm with quite a bit of boost on board. It makes the factory configuration seem laggy. I have changed a lot of things so may be some reward for that. I am also sure that there is lots of benefit in have Jake Edwards do the tuning for me.
Have to have some work done on the idle so may get the boost turned up and see what it provides.
Craig
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Location:
Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Fri, 24 September 2004 11:34
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Craig,
Great to hear about the car! How long are you at PNG for?! I wanna see the car! 
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Location:
PNG
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June 2002
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Re: realistic 1g power
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Sat, 25 September 2004 06:38
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Max
For 18 month to 2 years, and no you can't borrow/look after the car. I should be there for the dyno day on the 24th.
Craig
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