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[AE86] getting that elusive JDM front fender lipped ?
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Tue, 21 September 2004 06:16
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After many attempts on finding out the technique in rolling the guard in this manner, i still cannot work out exactly what is involved. I had an article in a mag before that showed how to do it (in Japanese  ) but cannot find it anymore. I've been told of a few places, but no success!
offer me advice before the jigsaw and grinder come out!
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Tue, 21 September 2004 06:34
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Good timing Des, I was about to bring up exactly the same question!
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Tue, 21 September 2004 06:43
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haha who else wants to jump in?!
i've been told they just bash it from underneath until it is sorta straight, then the metal thins up and eventually becomes round 
i've done the best i could do but can't rid the crease line...
might just cut it away to avoid further scrubbage
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Tue, 21 September 2004 06:49
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mmmmmmmmmm that looks hot , so hammering the thing was the way in the end?
I assume ur going to spray over it after making it flat so why not use spray putty to get rid of the crease line?
Adam
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Tue, 21 September 2004 06:58
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that is pretty true, but the crease line is too evident, and once you get to the stage of nearing it all level, it'd look like a scrunched up piece of paper!!!
but there is nothing bog can't fix....right?!   
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Tue, 21 September 2004 07:15
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that gaurd looks so phat ! i am actually getting mine done at Camerons body works up here in brissy..the local drifters will agree he does a nice job!
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Tue, 21 September 2004 07:27
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| drift86levin wrote on Tue, 21 September 2004 17:15 |
that gaurd looks so phat ! i am actually getting mine done at Camerons body works up here in brissy..the local drifters will agree he does a nice job!
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find out how he does it so that we can copy it and do it ourselves
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Tue, 21 September 2004 07:36
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I used a Sledgehammer and bog.
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Tue, 21 September 2004 07:39
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not to sound sarcastic or anything..but can't you just use a gaurd roller? or will it not give the same effect?
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Tue, 21 September 2004 07:43
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isnt the lip in the first pic a bolt on flare?
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Tue, 21 September 2004 07:49
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| ae95 wrote on Tue, 21 September 2004 17:43 |
isnt the lip in the first pic a bolt on flare?
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That's what I was thinking.......
Anyways, if sledgehammers and bog are the general consensus, I think I'll get it done by the panel beater when it's getting sprayed!
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Tue, 21 September 2004 09:11
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I think in one of the latest Option vids there is a guy who does a home job of rolling his guards on a pink s13. He uses some dodgy tools and reprays the guard with a spray can as he goes! it looks heaps funny, but he does a damn good job!
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Tue, 21 September 2004 10:13
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holy
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shit
one for jeremy
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Tue, 21 September 2004 11:06
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holy
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one for jeremy
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i don't know if it's the angle of the photo or the rainbow numberplate but that looks retarded as hell.
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Tue, 21 September 2004 12:16
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| Skein wrote on Tue, 21 September 2004 21:06 |
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holy
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shit
one for jeremy
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i don't know if it's the angle of the photo or the rainbow numberplate but that looks retarded as hell.
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how so dude?
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Tue, 21 September 2004 12:37
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hot fucking hot
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Tue, 21 September 2004 12:50
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how so dude?
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The guard looks like it arches extremely high...
The red top of the bumper lines up with the black line along the side of the car, and where the bumper joins with the guard doesn't look right.
But as I said, probably just the angle the pic was taken at.
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Tue, 21 September 2004 12:51
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ah yeah!
there u go!
nice spotting!
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Tue, 21 September 2004 16:45
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wtf is simon's car doing there?
bahahaha 
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Tue, 21 September 2004 16:46
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the negative cambers of these 2 cars make me horny...dayumm
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Tue, 21 September 2004 17:25
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camber is easy
im envious of the wide wheels and nice offset
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Tue, 21 September 2004 18:08
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yup
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Tue, 21 September 2004 23:27
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that guard is welded on des
thats a hawaiian/us car right?
i do belive they are cutting the panel and welding it on as a entire piece.
otherwise its a fucked job
www.jubiride.com
also > link to the rest of those pics?
actually forget it  > http://www.eight08.net/2002/04septhachimeet.html
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Dude, i can almost put my money on it that the guard is NOT welded on. I'm certain they use the extra metal on the side/underneath and roll it out. I'm not sure if a guard roller can get it out, because all they do is crease it like paper.
I met one of the Levin kids from wollongong ages ago and he had it done to his guard - and i remember him saying it was just a technique of rounding it out.
haha 'stop whoring club4ag'
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Tue, 21 September 2004 23:38
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I don't care if it doesn't line up..... It's beautiful.
And who said my idea of 5 spokes with black centres/polished rims wouldn't suit!!!
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Wed, 22 September 2004 00:09
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| Audioslaver wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 09:27 |
I met one of the Levin kids from wollongong ages ago and he had it done to his guard - and i remember him saying it was just a technique of rounding it out.
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which guy did u meet?
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Wed, 22 September 2004 00:30
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back then Craig owned the beautiful maroon/purple 20V with white Rays wheels -since crashed?
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Wed, 22 September 2004 00:45
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yeah hes got another red levin, i think its in the shop next to my car aswell..
but anyway, those guards look nice, i'm tossing up whether i should roll the guards or get the flare kit... decisions decisions...
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Wed, 22 September 2004 00:54
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oh i c, haven't heard from him in a while.
yeah, depends what width your running and offset at the front.....though i might just get out the grinder on the weekend 
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:07
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i havent read any other posts really.. but there are places that have proper guard rolling machines.. by that i mean they have a paint heat gun which heats up the paint and then they roll it, stops paint cracking etc... I got mine done for 200 dollars for the rears rolled.. and my fronts fully modified(flared out, then modified to follow the guard completely inside and then the plastic melted and reshaped to go over the top of that).. giving me a few inches clearance
ring around.
Im in brisbane so my shop is no help to you
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:12
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| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 11:07 |
i havent read any other posts really.. but there are places that have proper guard rolling machines.. by that i mean they have a paint heat gun which heats up the paint and then they roll it, stops paint cracking etc... I got mine done for 200 dollars for the rears rolled.. and my fronts fully modified(flared out, then modified to follow the guard completely inside and then the plastic melted and reshaped to go over the top of that).. giving me a few inches clearance
ring around.
Im in brisbane so my shop is no help to you
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How much was it to get the fronts flared?
By 'lipping' I am assuming people are just talking about the flat edge around the wheelarch and getting it folded up. By 'rolling' I am assuming people are talking about getting the wheelarch pushed out further, and flaring is a different story, referring to the guards being completely modified. Is this correct?
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:29
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yeah Tempe tyres down in Sydney do that application. But in this case, I think the real trick is getting the squared off edge of the guard to become round as shown in the top pic.
as opposed to something like this:
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:29
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| AE86slut wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 11:12 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 11:07 |
i havent read any other posts really.. but there are places that have proper guard rolling machines.. by that i mean they have a paint heat gun which heats up the paint and then they roll it, stops paint cracking etc... I got mine done for 200 dollars for the rears rolled.. and my fronts fully modified(flared out, then modified to follow the guard completely inside and then the plastic melted and reshaped to go over the top of that).. giving me a few inches clearance
ring around.
Im in brisbane so my shop is no help to you
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How much was it to get the fronts flared?
By 'lipping' I am assuming people are just talking about the flat edge around the wheelarch and getting it folded up. By 'rolling' I am assuming people are talking about getting the wheelarch pushed out further, and flaring is a different story, referring to the guards being completely modified. Is this correct?
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it was 200 all up.. wait
2nd time round(on my 2nd soarer) it was 150 bucks all up
on the fronts there was about 5 mm clearance until it hit the plastic shroud and the guards metal
ill do up a diagram now
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:38
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In my panel beating days, without cracking the paint i wosto wrape a heavy dolly with a rag and used a rubber mallet.
On the outside, put the dolly in the same spot where your going to hit from the inside, follow the mallet with the dolly but dont do the same spot till its flat, follow the shape slowly. This was for the gti, havent tryind it on the hachi
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:46
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| ke382TG wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 11:43 |
I have my rear guards lipped (similar method to above), i did this myself and it turned out neat i.e. looks like a factory finish, a friend of mine with a VT commodore which was done at a wheel and tyre place with a guard roller did not turn out too good, I think they rushed it.
My front guards are lipped and "pumped out" 2 inches. Just be aware that lipping and pumping out the front guards can reduce the structural integrity of your guards, which is no prblem at all until some careless fu(ker leans on it and "pops" the panel in  . Not cheap to get fixed
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yeah.. mine are perfect..
havent had any problems with leaning on them yet either
would be hell pissed if they did though.. after new spray and all.
also i put it in and got it back same day
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:50
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next question on everyones mind is which shop in sydney does a good job at rolling/pumping the guards??
ive heard the name 'east coast suspension' been mentioned before but for this application...?
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:52
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which shop in sydney does a good job at rolling/pumping the guards??
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:54
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which pumping in sydney good does a job at sydney/guards rolling?
.....shit
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:55
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| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 11:54 |
which pumping in sydney good does a job at sydney/guards rolling?
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haha wtf? 
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Wed, 22 September 2004 01:56
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Which pump/rolling does jobs good whilst shopping in Sydney?
C'mon! Somebody must know?
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Wed, 22 September 2004 02:10
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insert "i can catch lightning in a bottle, but i have no idea what the f*ck you just said" pic here.
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Wed, 22 September 2004 02:24
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hahaha you bored mofos
I've only heard Tempe Tyres doing this, but theres gotta be some old folk out there with REAL skill
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Wed, 22 September 2004 02:46
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what you see isnt gard rolling guys, its flaring.
any crash repairer worth their salt should be able to do this.
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Wed, 22 September 2004 02:52
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 12:46 |
what you see isnt gard rolling guys, its flaring.
any crash repairer worth their salt should be able to do this.
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 12:46 |
what you see isnt gard rolling guys, its flaring.
any crash repairer worth their salt should be able to do this.
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the insides of mine were rolled though...
my rears were rolled up right inside the guards aswell
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Wed, 22 September 2004 03:56
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maybe flaring = flaring + rolling ??
what exactly does the term 'flaring' involve?
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Wed, 22 September 2004 04:37
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| AE86slut wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 11:52 |
which shop in sydney does a good job at rolling/pumping the guards??
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big O tyres do it for about 45 a corner next to jetspeed
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Wed, 22 September 2004 05:09
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flaring can be rolling the guards out or bolting some flares on.
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Wed, 22 September 2004 05:30
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hmmm getting ambiguous with all these terms
bottom line is if that picture up the top is infact the original wheel guard, and how is it made round. Of course the easy option is to obtain the bolt on flares and graft it in, but rounding these existing ones up would obviously be the better option?
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Wed, 22 September 2004 05:32
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The red top of the bumper lines up with the black line along the side of the car, and where the bumper joins with the guard doesn't look right.
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this is how all original panda cars are my friend take a look and other cars and u will notice they are all exactly like the one in the pic.must be cos of the red and black it stands out more.
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Wed, 22 September 2004 06:47
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| Audioslaver wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 09:27 |
Dude, i can almost put my money on it that the guard is NOT welded on. I'm certain they use the extra metal on the side/underneath and roll it out. I'm not sure if a guard roller can get it out, because all they do is crease it like paper.
I met one of the Levin kids from wollongong ages ago and he had it done to his guard - and i remember him saying it was just a technique of rounding it out.
haha 'stop whoring club4ag'
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ah okay, looks too perfect to be 'folded out'.
why dont you ask the owner?
im sure the owner is on club4ag
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Wed, 22 September 2004 07:02
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Or (and this may be a novel idea) take the first picture you posted with you to your favorite panel shop and leave your car with them telling them you want your gaurds to look like these ones - and hand them the picture.
PS tell them to leave out the sparkle paint though!
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Wed, 22 September 2004 07:06
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hmmm well i'm thinking more or less a DIY job, if i can get the basic jist of what needs to be done, i'll just have to get to work with bog and paint.
might ask one of the yanks
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Wed, 22 September 2004 08:13
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rolling guards has its limits. if you've got some nice offset wide wheels its better off cutting part of the guard out and bolting a flare on.
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