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AE86 money and drifting
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Tue, 21 September 2004 14:17
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Hey i was just wondering anyone out there who takes their AE86 to drift events and what kind of money they spending on them to get them sideways nicely. I just sold my rustbucket 86 and in search for another one, but the majority of my friends say that in my condition (earn stuff all cause i'm a young bastard) and AE86 would just eat away my wallet instead i could just buy a turbo S13 and drift the hell out of that and in the end it would be cheaper and more effective. I believe this to a certain extent due to the 86 being rare as meaning parts can be costly. But also i've seen people like beau yates (20V 86) kicking all the silvias asses in the drift comps. I was wondering what kinda money are people like him to get his 86 into drift machine because i have fears in my imaginary drift career in the future i would be spending $$$ on my lovely 86 to get it drifting like a povo silvia THANKS JoHnNy_K
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Tue, 21 September 2004 14:50
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first of all here are the FACTS
Just because you drive an ae86 doesnt mean you can drift an ae86 and kick silvia arses.
AE86 parts are not as rare as people make them out to be. Sure panels and headlights are getting pricy but general mechanicals are not.
now.. yuo can build a competitive car for SFA, look at what Josh young did in QLD (yellow 86) bought a shitter stocker for 1K and spent 3K on it. Total bill was 4K and it has 4age, lsd and coilovers. he made a lot of stuff like the cage himself. shopped around and got some real bargins. Not a single item was bought off toymods 
or you can build something a bit extream.. like garth (even tho its not a dedicated car but it does symbolise the extream end) with the best of the best gear. expect to pay 10K + for extream 4age engine, lsd, coilovers, propper susp parts etc.
ae86's are lighter and more chuckable then a s13 but are they a better drift car, debateable.
i like to think they are, but to someones whos begining, you'd do better in a s13 then a NA ae86
the ae86 is a drivers car, if you persist with the 4age, you WILL learn real drift techniques such as using the weight of the ar and speed to initate a slide. So many power sliders out there who crawl up to a corner and drop the clutch, this is not real drifting
that is all
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Tue, 21 September 2004 15:12
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I could possibly say i'd do better in a S13 as i have driven my mates R33 skyline dump the clutch before the corner and end up with some cheap drifts. Still when i had the 86 (with 4AC)i practice drifting in the rain by using the shift lock technique (drift bible) by gearing down and releasing the clutch just before the corner so much fun compared to the skyline. I'm only forced to go silvia or turbo just for the fact it's cheaper and easier to drift???. But yeah i like the challenge and hopefuly in the future i'll be drifting in an 86 (with 4AGE and LSD this time!!!)
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Tue, 21 September 2004 15:39
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 00:50 |
first of all here are the FACTS
Just because you drive an ae86 doesnt mean you can drift an ae86 and kick silvia arses.
but to someones whos begining, you'd do better in a s13 then a NA ae86
the ae86 is a drivers car, if you persist with the 4age, you WILL learn real drift techniques such as using the weight of the ar and speed to initate a slide. So many power sliders out there who crawl up to a corner and drop the clutch, this is not real drifting
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agreed!
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 02:15
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yes very valid point, i bought my car with 4age already in it, some coilovers and already stripped and with the basic stuff i needed. and since then ive changed a lot.
beats startuing with a total stocker and 4ac
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 03:10
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Just a basic rundown of the costs of converting my stocker.
Initial Purchase: $2200
16v 4AGE inc loom ECU etc, G/Box, exhaust: $1300
Seat + rail: $350
Suspension (shocks, front coilovers, springs, panhard etc): $1800
Brakes: $250
Diff: $50
And thats not including all the other little bits and peices that are involved with these conversions. Your best bet would be to buy something with a 4age and suspension already and build from there.
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 03:19
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| mumblezzz wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 13:10 |
Your best bet would be to buy something with a 4age and suspension already and build from there.
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Definately..... You want me to list how much I have spent? And that's still nothing that would perform incredibly well for drift.
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 06:27
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| AE86slut wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 13:19 |
| mumblezzz wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 13:10 |
Your best bet would be to buy something with a 4age and suspension already and build from there.
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Definately..... You want me to list how much I have spent? And that's still nothing that would perform incredibly well for drift.
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bs! i seen it go sidwahz!
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 09:22
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im pretty sure my ae86 build has cost less than buying an already modded one.
stock ae86, minimal rust, straight body - 2k
crashed jdm donor car - 2.5k
susp - 2k
thats 6.5k for 4age ae86 with coilies, front strut brace, disc to disc with 2way lsd, efi tank, trd susp in rear
hardly that expensive.
6.5k would buy you a n/a silvia which are slow as hell
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 09:26
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i dont no much about sprinters, but one of my mates had a corolla with a 4agze, with motec, smaller (12 psi i think) pully on the blower, did quite nice cookers also.
my question is why dont people get a 4agze block and blower and all, then put a 4age 20v head on it?
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4agze block with 20v and blower? sounds like too much stuffing around to me. why not gze block and bigport head and turbo. 20v head costs heaps more than a bigport head
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 10:21
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| ae95 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 19:22 |
stock ae86, minimal rust, straight body - 2k
crashed jdm donor car - 2.5k
susp - 2k
thats 6.5k for 4age ae86 with coilies, front strut brace, disc to disc with 2way lsd, efi tank, trd susp in rear
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yeah, but how many crashed JDM cars are out there?
if you manage to find one of those - you'd be set.
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 10:50
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| Johnny_K wrote on Tue, 21 September 2004 23:12 |
I could possibly say i'd do better in a S13 as i have driven my mates R33 skyline dump the clutch before the corner and end up with some cheap drifts. Still when i had the 86 (with 4AC)i practice drifting in the rain by using the shift lock technique (drift bible) by gearing down and releasing the clutch just before the corner so much fun compared to the skyline. I'm only forced to go silvia or turbo just for the fact it's cheaper and easier to drift???. But yeah i like the challenge and hopefuly in the future i'll be drifting in an 86 (with 4AGE and LSD this time!!!)
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Shift lock bad! Kansei drift good!
(translation: shift lock will rodger up your drivetrain. I took about 3 years' life off the Supra's diff before realizing shift lock is just an expensive way to do a handbrake-initiated drift. Do a braking drift or whatever it's called, basically use more brakes, and heel-toe instead of just mash down to 2nd and dump it. Much faster entry speed though, which makes it farken scary but sooo sweet if you pull it off!)
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 10:58
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Theres no such thing as owning a drift car and having money in your pocket..............
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 11:02
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| Drift Technician wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 20:58 |
Theres no such thing as owning a drift car and having money in your pocket..............
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true.dat
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 11:05
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uh huh
thats why im eating 2 min noodles for dinner and cheese sandwiches for lunch
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 12:26
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haha
the price you pay for drift 
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 14:34
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thats why im eating 2 min noodles for dinner and cheese sandwiches for lunch
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bwahahahahaha 
at least get mi goreng
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 15:57
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| Arch wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 00:04 |
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thats why im eating 2 min noodles for dinner and cheese sandwiches for lunch
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bwahahahahaha
at least get mi goreng
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these days mi goreng cause fair bit of $$ too...hehe
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Wed, 22 September 2004 23:39
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tight arses
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 01:08
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| Satoshi wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 01:57 |
| Arch wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 00:04 |
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thats why im eating 2 min noodles for dinner and cheese sandwiches for lunch
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bwahahahahaha
at least get mi goreng
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these days mi goreng cause fair bit of $$ too...hehe
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Bah..... I buy boxes of them.... Costs SFA.
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 03:41
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mmmm.....mi goreng with boiled egg and a hint of pepper 
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 04:02
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| Audioslaver wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 13:41 |
mmmm.....mi goreng with boiled egg and a hint of pepper
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Oh yeah...... Love the egg on my Mi Goreng. I like the Sate one's better, but the chilli ones are damn good too.
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 04:04
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and all ae86 drivers who eat mi goreng will suffer from overdose in MSG
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 04:30
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cancer roku! 
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 04:37
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Yeah, what's the deal with that? An Indo friend of mine said that eating Mi Goreng can lead to cancer. I thought she was on drugs.....
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 04:55
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hmmm well any kind of 2 min noodles is cancerous if you eat it enough, just think of all that artificial flavouring and msg, additives etc!!
its like putting deisel into your car every now and then LOL
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 04:57
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I've heard that too
apparently it contains carcinogens which may cause cancer
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 05:31
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Yeah, but it's so damn good!
I'm willing to run the gauntlet.
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 06:27
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i've got cravings
*thinks about going to asian supermarket after work*
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 06:30
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they say milk causes autism
mi goerng give u cancer
maturbation makes you go blind
they say cigarettes kill your taste
they say speed kills
they say sex can give u std's
whats next....u get hairy palms from drifting....
milk is ok
mi goreng tastes good
im not blind yet... 
i dont smoke
i like cars and thrashing em
sex feels good, dont know the chick wear a rubber
truth is something is going to kill us......
MI Goreng is the bomb, so ill eat it.......
if it kills me i die happy and thirsty....lol
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 06:30
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| Audioslaver wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 16:27 |
i've got cravings
*thinks about going to asian supermarket after work*
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Just come over to my place (seeing as you haven't even checked out the place yet!)... I'll sort ya out!
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 06:43
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| AE86slut wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 16:30 |
| Audioslaver wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 16:27 |
i've got cravings
*thinks about going to asian supermarket after work*
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Just come over to my place (seeing as you haven't even checked out the place yet!)... I'll sort ya out!
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LOL, would love to but i'm stuck in westyville so it'll be a trek 'n a half outta this shithole to urs 
| truenosedan wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 16:30 |
if it kills me i die happy and thirsty....lol
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mmmm that reminds me, eating it dry/strained while served hot.
I'm all da way too. Mi Goreng till death!
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 07:23
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yup simon has the right of it. just cause you have an ae86 does not mean you'll be able to kick arse in it, they are harder to slide than many people think, but i like to think more rewarding. run down of costs in my yellow 86:-
initial cost $1000
2 way trd diff center $600
T-18 diff housing $60
jap spec 4a-ge and gearbox $1250
transplant costs $500
coil overs $ made from parts in shed
rear suspension $100
strip weight $ lotsa time
cusco half cage $150
you just gotta look round and find stuff when it there, be willing to hold off and search more....
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 07:59
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tell em what susp set up you have
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 08:03
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Did someone say cut springs? 
Hmmm ... wondering where you can pick up a half cage for $150 - that's a damn good price Josh ...
Ah ... saving up $$$ now ...
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 08:11
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| mr2drift wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 17:23 |
T-18 diff housing $60
cusco half cage $150
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so do you have rear drum brakes? (guessing you swapped oz-spec rear with T-18 setup)
do they still go allright?
where did you get the cusco cage from? $150 is damn cheap
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 08:47
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yeah rear drums
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:05
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yep still drum rear, it works way well enuff on the track for drifting, if it was sprints ect would not hold up, but it locks way better than a disc rear end, ask anyone whos been for a drift in it, no effort at all. use $19.95 repco shoes in the rear and they last ages and lock at will.........
hehe rear susp has modified old hilux front shock in it and cut and shaped (ie heated and leveled out) AU falocn rear springs in it. anyone dare tell me its bodgy and not good, come for a ride  simon knows.......
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:06
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cant be too hard to find. i too have the same cage for thesame amount of dollars.
yes T18 is drums, dont need disk brakes for drift. drum handbrake works ok
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:06
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yeh found the cage by just repeatedly going into the local jap parts wrecker every week to see what he had in stock, lucked oput on that one. of course we cut it up and welded it in to make it better tho' LOL
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:07
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thought you were workin on the car simon?
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:08
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yeah i just fitted headlight and stripped out carpet, ythats enough for one day
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:09
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lazy bastard, wheres the dedication
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:11
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haha simon and john, u povo ae86 drifters !
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:14
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whats wrong with povo. i PREFER to do my own stuff at least it stays togeather
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:19
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| mr2drift wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 19:14 |
whats wrong with povo. i PREFER to do my own stuff at least it stays togeather
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true that!
nothing wrong with povo!
IT DOES THE JOB!
heh i just love the dodgy mods
sigma arms
t18 diffs
cut and chop parts bin stuff.
hehe its cool!
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:21
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heh
whats dodgy about t18diffs?
lemme know if you find another cage
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:23
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sorry garth, we're not elist enough to buy TRd this TODA that, with HKS thingybobs hoklding up a BLITZ whatsitsname
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:24
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definately does the job, the sigma arms stay absoloutly spot on....
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:25
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 19:23 |
sorry garth, we're not elist enough to buy TRD this TODA that, with HKS thingybobs holding up a BLITZ whatsitsname
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heh im SORRRRYYYYYY.
blitz? come on! its not a skyline!
ps. elistism has nothing to do with buying brand new quality JDM bitz!
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:26
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 19:23 |
sorry garth, we're not elist enough to buy TRd this TODA that, with HKS thingybobs hoklding up a BLITZ whatsitsname
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:27
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ROFLMAO damn thats awsome simon...hehehehe ill take my stocka and race ya up the mountains in it, whatdya reckon simon.....?
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:29
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race what? your poo box stocker hahaha, i'll clean you up
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:29
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well anyone else but you simon
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:31
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u want to race garth? thats a little unfair isnt it
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:32
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| mr2drift wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 19:27 |
ROFLMAO damn thats awsome simon...hehehehe ill take my stocka and race ya up the mountains in it, whatdya reckon simon.....?
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directed at me
sure!
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:32
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i think the cheap setup is better, not afraid to use it and easy to replace, so it gets PROPERLY driven as a result......
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Re: AE86 money and drifting
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:34
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love mountain roads
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