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Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Thu, 23 September 2004 06:25
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Hey guys,
thanks for all the previous help, it was very useful and informative. Now some more dumbarse questions.:
* i have been getting used to the fact that my celica does not have a passenger side mirror and it has taken some getting used to. It is a 1975 ta22 yet alot of other 1975 celicas i have seen on the web seem to have a passenger side rear view mirror. what is the story behind that? does not really matter that much just interested.
*chiltons or heynes manual? I get the feeling that heynes is quite useless and i just want something that will provide me with a good foundation to build upon. does anyone have the chilton's manual...what is it like? any other suggestions.
* i currently have the original celica steering wheel and am looking to buy a new and smaller wheel. now my understanding is that i just have to buy new steering wheel and boss kit to suit celica. Are the boss kits just available at any big automotive store or are they actually hard to find. Does the celica boss kit require a certain steering wheel...i mean will certain wheels not fit.
* the celica i have is very original...like really really original and very schmick interior. here is my dilemma, as much as i love listening to lawsy on talkback radio i would eventually like to upgrade the stereo to something beyond an AM capacity yet i do not want to tear up the perfect dash...it would be a crime against humanity. any suggestions of putting in head deck and speakers that would not fuck up the original look of the car. is it worth getting a professional to do this for me?
*my god the 2t is laughably underpowered. it is quite funny when u really have to push it to maintain the speed limit up big hills. slowly waiting until my confidence builds so that i can swap to 2tg and get rid of auto box...slowly...
thanks for all ur help guys. really appreciate that some people will take the time out to help someone who really does not know their shit.
cheers.
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Thu, 23 September 2004 06:52
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I bought the chiltons service manual off ebay a while back. It is basically a cut down version of the haynes.
Just like the haynes, it covers only US models, so no T series motors...
Only good thing I have to say about it is that it covers the ma6x and ma7x supras aswell.
Umm, good luck with the other questions 
Cheers
James
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Fri, 24 September 2004 00:18
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Guess everyone has to start somewhere:
ADR's changed sometime in 1974/75/76 (I think) and made it a requirement that two external rear view mirrors are fitted. Sounds lke you have a car before this requirement, or someone removed the mirror, filled the holes and painted the doors. I have a comlete pair of 1974 TA22 external mirrors. PM me and you can buy the set.
I have both manuals (Christmas presents from family members) and they are both pretty poor, but the Chilton's is the pick. I now also have the 2T -C, B and 2TG big green book (BGB) from Toyota, and that is the best thing for the engine.
Boss kits to suit early Toyota's including the Celica are available from Supercheap, Rocca's, etc etc. Hint - find out which range of wheels (say Autotechnica) has the boss kit you need *before* you choose a steering wheel you like.
Aftermarket stereo's are easy to fit yourself. And you save heaps of $$$ too. If you not going to cut the dash, then you fit the unit to a cradle and bolt up up under the dash between the steering column and the centre console. Look under the rear parcel shelf in the boot and you should find two speaker holes in the metal shelf above the fuel tank. Front speakers can be cut into the doors or you can fit pods to the outside of the trim.
Get a 2TG, manual gearbox, and a pedal box from a manual TA22 and you should be right. I might have a TA22 pedal box at home. Again, PM me if interested.
Cheers,
Mitch.
PS: Use the search function on this forum and read read read. All of this has been covered before. Good luck with everything.
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Fri, 24 September 2004 00:42
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| ra23celica wrote on Fri, 24 September 2004 08:18 |
ADR's changed sometime in 1974/75/76 (I think) and made it a requirement that two external rear view mirrors are fitted. Sounds lke you have a car before this requirement, or someone removed the mirror, filled the holes and painted the doors. I have a comlete pair of 1974 TA22 external mirrors. PM me and you can buy the set.
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There must be some looseness in this law, cos my mates base-model AE82 doesn't have a passenger side mirror.
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Fri, 24 September 2004 02:53
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Stereo fitting alternative -
I fitted mine to a custom made box that bolts onto the parcel shelf below the glove box. Does the trick really well but is probably a bit easier to steal (only 6 less seconds from what I hear on how long it take to flog a stereo). Disadvantage - cant reach it very easily from the drivers seat hence get a stereo with a remote.
Stereo Fitting Alternative 2 -
Make some custom brackets that hold the stereo head unit under the dash on the left hand side of the steering column. I was talking to a guy who did this and he says it worked beautifully and never got in the way. Easy reach from the drivers seat.
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Fri, 24 September 2004 04:09
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hey parsi i have a SAAS bosskit here to suit a ta22. i used to have it in my car but i got a momo wheel so no longer need it. i only had it 6 months. if you want it you can have it for $60 dollars. they are usually 80 to 90 dollars. pm me if you are interested or just reply in this post.
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Fri, 24 September 2004 05:38
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You just want to be sure you find and like a compatible SAAS steering wheel before you by the boss kit !
Going back to what JCMF said above, I have a bit of trouble with the ADR's and external rear view mirrors. I have wrecked and seen many TA22's with two mirrors, while I own a RA23 with only one mirror - so I will never profess to know what is the truth in this area.
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Fri, 24 September 2004 06:35
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Stereo Fitting Alternative 2 -
Make some custom brackets that hold the stereo head unit under the dash on the left hand side of the steering column. I was talking to a guy who did this and he says it worked beautifully and never got in the way. Easy reach from the drivers seat.[/quote]
Yep,. I did this,. and it works perfectly, as long as you keep the box to a minimal size and mount it as far left as possible (without blocking the vent) it is great...
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Fri, 24 September 2004 09:04
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if u want a boss kit ive got one u can have for free
just pm me if u want it
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Fri, 24 September 2004 16:57
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stereo alt 3
mount the stereo in the glove box.
this way the car still looks original and deters theft.
a set of 6 1/2 splits in the rear parcel shelf and off you go.
if you dont want to put holes in the glove box for wires its easy enough to get one from a wreckers so u can use it and keep your original.
as for manuals search ebay,yahoo etc and find yourself an original toyota manual. others ok but these are the best solution.
side mirrors are your choice. bullet style mirrors always look good in my opinion(like off the old escort etc) and new ones can be found at most auto spares shot etc.
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Sat, 25 September 2004 01:35
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| parsi wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 16:25 |
Hey guys,
thanks for all the previous help, it was very useful and informative. Now some more dumbarse questions.:
1 i have been getting used to the fact that my celica does not have a passenger side mirror and it has taken some getting used to. It is a 1975 ta22 yet alot of other 1975 celicas i have seen on the web seem to have a passenger side rear view mirror. what is the story behind that? does not really matter that much just interested.
2 chiltons or heynes manual? I get the feeling that heynes is quite useless and i just want something that will provide me with a good foundation to build upon. does anyone have the chilton's manual...what is it like? any other suggestions.
3 i currently have the original celica steering wheel and am looking to buy a new and smaller wheel. now my understanding is that i just have to buy new steering wheel and boss kit to suit celica. Are the boss kits just available at any big automotive store or are they actually hard to find. Does the celica boss kit require a certain steering wheel...i mean will certain wheels not fit.
4 the celica i have is very original...like really really original and very schmick interior. here is my dilemma, as much as i love listening to lawsy on talkback radio i would eventually like to upgrade the stereo to something beyond an AM capacity yet i do not want to tear up the perfect dash...it would be a crime against humanity. any suggestions of putting in head deck and speakers that would not fuck up the original look of the car. is it worth getting a professional to do this for me?
5 my god the 2t is laughably underpowered. it is quite funny when u really have to push it to maintain the speed limit up big hills. slowly waiting until my confidence builds so that i can swap to 2tg and get rid of auto box...slowly...
thanks for all ur help guys. really appreciate that some people will take the time out to help someone who really does not know their shit.
cheers.
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1 more than likely that the second mirors were put on after cause they came out stock with one, they started off being mounted on the front guard upto 74 when it was transferred to the driver door. from what i know only the GTs came out 2 mirrors and the american STs.
2 i got the australian haynes manual (got it from autopro bout 4yrs ago) and it is awsome, not sure why people dont like it, mentions everything bout the car/engine/everything to exact detail without skipping a beat. even goes into panel beating detail at the end of the manual, bolts, bolt sizes and even a small section on the 18r engine
3 if you get a brand ndew wheel then usually where you get the wheel from will also sell boss kits to suit
4 go for the glove box mount and get a deck with remote  parcel tray has holes for 6" speakers and with the small cabin size and the decent 6" speakeres you get these days thats all you really need
5 if your not after suer power that the 2TG with twin side draughts would be perfect unless you want to remain with EFI
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Sat, 25 September 2004 01:54
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Hey parsi, just out of curiosity, is your car white? If so I think I may have seen it around Pennant Hills. If it is yours, it's friggin immaculate dude!
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Sat, 25 September 2004 08:49
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Hi,
| parsi wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 16:25 |
the celica i have is very original...like really really original and very schmick interior. here is my dilemma, as much as i love listening to lawsy on talkback radio i would eventually like to upgrade the stereo to something beyond an AM capacity yet i do not want to tear up the perfect dash...it would be a crime against humanity. any suggestions of putting in head deck and speakers that would not fuck up the original look of the car. is it worth getting a professional to do this for me?
*my god the 2t is laughably underpowered. it is quite funny when u really have to push it to maintain the speed limit up big hills. slowly waiting until my confidence builds so that i can swap to 2tg and get rid of auto box...slowly...
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Don't change a thing. Leave the 2T in it and leave it auto. I bet that there are very, very few fully original TA22 LT Celica's around.
The old 2T engine is good for about 102hp when well tuned, which isn't too bad for a little OHV 1600.
As far as the radio is concerned, mount it under the dash between the steering column and the console. I just got one installed a few weeks ago and the normal DIN-size unit fits in there real snug. It doesn't get in the way of your legs and is close to hand for playing the volume and all that jazz.
seeyuzz
river
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Sat, 25 September 2004 10:00
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hey,
thanks all for the great replies. not really show how to host images or anything yet...but if you go to for sale forums. then go to page three there is " *edit* now for sale TA22 in Sydney " by tommo. this is the ta22 i bought it has some nice pics on it.
* i guess i may as well just get one of manuals and see how they good are they. fade-e said that he got an australian version of the manual, are these rare of something cause i can only seem to find manuals based on the st,gt and liftback models?
* i might take up one of the offers for a boss kit later on, i will have a look at some wheels in the next few days and get back to you all. same applies for the offer of external mirrors. as i will slowly be building up the ta22 feel free to hoist anything that u want to sell on me. going to need some parts for eventual manual swap such as the flywheel, tail shaft, centre console.
*thanks for all the stereo options. i will most probably mount it in the the glovebox or beside the steering column ( don't suppose you have pics soaringmik. how did u go about making the brackets.etc.?)
*also for spare parts in sydney area. which wreckers do u guys go to, any particularly good ones you can suggest.
* river, as much as i would love to maintain the celica as auto and 2t for posterity i do not think i will last. maybe my 2t is not particularly well tuned (how do i know?) but it seems to really struggle some of the time. With regards to your head deck, did u get yours professionally installed, if so how much did it cost?
thanks again for all your help. really appreciate it.
cheers.
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Sat, 25 September 2004 11:21
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Hi,
| parsi wrote on Sat, 25 September 2004 20:00 |
river, as much as i would love to maintain the celica as auto and 2t for posterity i do not think i will last. maybe my 2t is not particularly well tuned (how do i know?) but it seems to really struggle some of the time. With regards to your head deck, did u get yours professionally installed, if so how much did it cost?
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Being an old bloke, I'm not as flexible as I once was and I got the unit installed professionally. I couldn't be bothered crawling around and trying to get it all out, so I was lazy and paid some mob who specialise in that sort of thing. So, they took out the old radio and the under-dash equ-amp unit and put in a nice JVC deck (where the old equ-amp) once was. The old system was totally shot (AM only and cassette broken) but it was 24 years old. Front and rear speakers were just tattered bits of cardboard and the power antenna was broken. All up cost was $700 to get the old shit ripped out, new deck installed and 4 Alpine speakers and new power antenna. Lovely stuff! I can now have FM and for the first time in the car's 31 years it now has a CD!
The deck has 50Wx4 amp in it and for me that's plenty loud enough, especially in a small car - besides, being a liftback there is little place to hide a stacker or "fully sik" amp, without sacrificing a glove box or some other space.
I'm currently making a radio blank panel, whcih I may add, is coming along quite nicely.
Even though it's an auto, your TA22 is a light car and the 2T should still move it along okay. However, it's wise (if possible) to store the auto-box and 2T engine somewhere so in years to come, when there is nigh any original TA22's around (ie someone who would pay dearly to have your car in its original form) you can say "hey, I've got the original engine and box" and that can only increase it's re-sale.
seeyuzz
river
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Sat, 25 September 2004 13:43
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just a question for al u ppl who have put new sterios in your car without choppin the dash.
have u considered just using the factory toyota radio hole covers???
ive got a few here but i cant put it in my dash as of the 4 dash's i got all are chopped. so il just sit bak and dream of the day my lica gets to see the road again. thats all i got to look forward to cause even though she will be the ugliest lil heap of rust out there she will still be a 1972 ta22 celica and that makes her perfect.
thats my lil winge for tonite im goin to bed
neways good luck to all u ppl with ur cars
laterdays
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Sun, 26 September 2004 00:11
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Hi,
Yes, some of us have tried getting radio-blanks, but they are not available from Toyota, either in Australia or Japan, for the TA22 anymore.
So, if you've got a couple of these items, pls PM me and I'll buy one from you.
seeyuzz
river
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Re: Dummy's Guide to Celicas: Part II
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Mon, 27 September 2004 23:04
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Sorry Parsi,
I don't have any pics, I did this about 3 years ago, so it's not really fresh in my head.
At the time, my GF's father managed a steal building supply business, so I had some galvanised tin about 2mm thick bent into a little box (most of these places can do it for you), then I linned the inside of the box with a thin layer of firm foam and then I got some black vinyl to put on the outside which made it look half decent,
But you could use anything really, just don't box it in to tight because they can get quite hot.
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