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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Sun, 26 September 2004 07:22
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Hey all. Just wondering where I can get the steering box recoed on my TA22 in Victoria? Can I just take the car to a power steering place and what would the average cost be?
I have tightened it as much as possible but it has now become so sloppy that you can turn the steering wheel a 1/4 turn before anything happens.
Thanks.
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Location:
Tamworth
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June 2004
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Sun, 26 September 2004 09:44
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hey supra1, what was wrong with your steering box, my steering box in my ms85 crown went because the pwr steering lines went into it, and something bursted it wasnt a good site  , try your nearest wreckers for a steering box.
brad
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Location:
Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Sun, 26 September 2004 10:59
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It's just basically worn out I think and has become as loose a the proverbial 2 cent lady of the night (If you get my meaning  ) No power steering on this old lady either.
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Location:
townsville NQLD
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February 2004
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Sun, 26 September 2004 11:07
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if a ra40 box will fit, then so will a mx62 cressida power steering box. do that, thats what i did to mine  . u would be better off getting one from the wreckers than recond. i would say. but what eva is cheaper.
brett
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Location:
Dandenong Ranges, VIC
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July 2004
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Sun, 26 September 2004 11:35
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i think its usually just some of the rubber bushes and shit that makes your steering go all floppy and worn-out feeling. odds are a box from the wreckers will be stuffed too or well on its way. try talking to a steering shop, no doubt they will help you out. who needs power steering anyway, just eat more spinach! 
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Location:
Melbourne
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August 2003
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Sun, 26 September 2004 14:03
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Yes, check the condition of idler arm, pitman arm, all tie rod ends. If the front end is generally floaty check control arm and radius beam bushes and ball joints.
If you're certain that the problem is the steering box, they can be rebuilt by Fulcrum Suspensions in Queensland. But if the gearing is worn (and it will be) then the 'rebuild' (changing seals, etc. and repacking) might not improve much.
I have heard that the worm gears, etc. are no longer available and will need to be machined up by an engineer at significant cost.
Hope this helps.
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Location:
Eskilstuna, Sweden
Registered:
May 2002
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Sun, 26 September 2004 22:57
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I have heard that the worm gears, etc. are no longer available and will need to be machined up by an engineer at significant cost.
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There is always the conversion to a rack and pinion. Sadly, in the '22 that's a major undertaking. Personally I'll be sticking with the existing box and getting it rebuilt.
Cheers,
Dan
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Mon, 27 September 2004 03:04
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Thanks guys. I am sure that the bushes in the front end will also need replacing and that is on the to do list as well but the steering box is definately stuffed. Will check a few steering places and see what they say.
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November 2002
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Tue, 28 September 2004 00:03
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As said above, if the worm drive gears inside the steering box are worn, its custom machining to get them replaced. You will get a much better result from replacing your Idler and Pitman arms, and the rubber disk between the steering column and the steering box all the time. I tried to get the box from my RA23 rebuilt and no-one in Perth wanted to know me.
Cheers,
Mitch.
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Location:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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March 2004
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Tue, 28 September 2004 00:05
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but you can get rebush kits for the steering boxes..
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Terrigal
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Tue, 28 September 2004 00:47
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Yeah I had that problem, my worm and spider were worn and couldn't get them replaced. Think it was going to be close to $1000 to get custom made ones.
R&P setup ended up costing half that.
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Location:
Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Tue, 28 September 2004 00:53
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R&P setup ended up costing half that.
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How did you fabricate the bottom mount of the steering column? I remember seeing photos of your conversion, are they still around to look at?
Cheers,
Dan
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Location:
Terrigal
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May 2002
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Tue, 28 September 2004 01:19
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I've got some photos lying around...
Originally I was using RA28 column with heaps of unis and rose joints etc.. but now its just a KE70 steering column that went in easy enough.
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Location:
Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Tue, 28 September 2004 01:34
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I guess the question stems from the fact that the TA22 steering box forms the lower mounting point of the steering column. If you change the steering over to RaP then there has to be something substituted to anchor the bottom of the steering column so the unis don't bind up. Looking at the photo of the crossmember in your car I can't quite make out how the column is attached at the bottom. Given that you've used a KE70 column I have to assume, as I've never seen one, that its put together very differently from the original in the A22 or A28.
I've been over this with the engineer and his opinion is that to use the existing column, you have to fabricate a conical section in the firewall to brace the column. I'd sort of given up on the idea because it seemed like it was going to stretch the budget way beyond its limits... but approx $500 ain't too bad.
I must say that conversion looks particularly good on your car!
Cheers,
Dan
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Location:
Terrigal
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May 2002
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Tue, 28 September 2004 01:55
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Yeah you are right in saying the original column was supported by the steering box.
Originally I pressed a bearing into the end of the column to support it, then had another rose joint around where the box was.
But now i've simplified it by putting the KE70 column in. These originally are R&P and the column is designed not to be supported by a steering box. They have bearings and bushes and stuff inside them.
I think from an engineering point of view it makes it a lot easier using KE70 column as its not as 'custom'.
To give an idea of prices...
KE70 steering column - $40
KE70 reconditioned rack - $190
Fabrication to Xmember - $80
New KE70 tie rods - $80
Bump steer is another thing to look at though.. TA22 might be different from RA28 but in the 28 you really need to either shorten the rack or move the control arm pivot points outbound.
Cheers
Joel
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Location:
Sydney
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June 2004
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Tue, 28 September 2004 02:20
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thats a nice rack there joel 
hey mate how you goiing with the rebuild?
dcleyne: i wouldnt say its complex to do the conversion. all you need is to weld a plate to the engine cross member as joel has done to pivot the rack and hold it in place. also i can see spacers to lift the rack to make it even and level with the steering arms on the control arms.
the only thing i can see as an issue would be the tie rod ends. if the original KE70s fit on to the standard '22 fitting then sweet, otherwise you would need to source a compatible one.
then you would need a rod (as pictured) to conect the steering column to rack with equivalent uni joints to suit. since joel used the KE70 one, then i would assume we could too.
im pretty sure that the wheel base and steering system of the TA22 and xA2x are the same. either way i am going to investigate joels conversion further for the '22 and mosty likely take his idea and use it for my '22 THANKS JOEL for all the leg work
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Terrigal
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May 2002
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: Steering box reconditioning (TA22)
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Tue, 28 September 2004 02:36
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That's excellent information. Thanks Joel!
Cheers,
Dan
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