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Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 02:51
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I'm not a huge fan of turbos....cheap speed. im sure other people will differ. Lets have a mediation session!
Ed, if this thread has already been done, feel free to delete the bitch
[Updated on: Mon, 11 October 2004 03:00]
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Mon, 11 October 2004 02:58
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Power where you need it. I love the ones I have driven.
I'll give you a more in depth review when I actualy own one.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 03:03
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I love turbo's..... 3 of my cars have been turbo'd (RX4, RX3 and R32 Skyline) and the shove in the back and torque cannot be beaten. As for my current car, even though I have just bought a turbo kit for it, I just can't picture it being anything other than N/A.
Each has it's merits.
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 03:09
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Damn blow dryers, its prob not turboes I'm against just the tools that find the noise off their blow of valve cool. Hello advertisement. Cant stand blow off valve just plumb them back damnit.
Turbo technology has come a long way in recent years in terms of reducing lag etc but personally I would prefer either n/a smooth sound or a supercharger nice low down power.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 03:35
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 12:39 |
Damn blow dryers, its prob not turboes I'm against just the tools that find the noise off their blow of valve cool. Hello advertisement. Cant stand blow off valve just plumb them back damnit.
Turbo technology has come a long way in recent years in terms of reducing lag etc but personally I would prefer either n/a smooth sound or a supercharger nice low down power.
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How can you say that you hate turbos but love superchargers, ok they both act differently but ultimately they are doing the same thing... 
I have owned a prelude and my Dad owns an S2000 which I have driven and it is possibly the best N/A four cyliner in the world but the the possibilities of turbos far outwiegh the options you have with N/A
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 03:52
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yeah i agree. its a pain in the arse, NA motors just seem more 'real,' its too bad they cost a lot more to get quick, and its more of a pain the arse doing it....
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Mon, 11 October 2004 03:58
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aerodynamics is for people who cant build engines - enzo ferrari
turbos are for people who cant build engines - bill sherwood
nuf said
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Mon, 11 October 2004 03:59
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if you have equal displacement with one N/A engine and one turbo the N/A engine is going to have to rev a shit load more to make the same power as the turbo engine. And I am pretty sure have less torque too. Plus to make it rev you have to put lumpy cams in it which will reduce the low down torque and in effect make it drive with more of a power band much like a turbo engine 
so why not start with one in the first place?
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 04:02
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well said chris well said
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Mon, 11 October 2004 05:28
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i prefer the "feeling" of driving an N/A, i dont like how it takes a second to come on boost when u hit the accelerator, with N/A its the same power at that revs when u punch the accelerator, that being said, turbos can make alot more power, and you can increase the power much easier, and when your on the track you never have a lag problem cos your flat out the whole time.
btw i have a turbo
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Mon, 11 October 2004 06:42
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n/a all the way!
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 07:26
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| Chris Davey wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 13:59 |
if you have equal displacement with one N/A engine and one turbo
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if you have 'equal displacement'
sayy, 2L with 2 bar boost = max of 600Nm torque
and a 6L Chev (ala sports sedan) = max of 600Nm torque..
sure the 2L will be lighter, but you have to rev the ring out of it to get the turbo spinning to actually make the torque.
even with little lag, you can still measure the time from pedal to full force of motor.
the 6L chev on the other hand will have nearly max torque from maybe 2000-7000rpm... and there is no delay...
atfer rides in high powered turbo cars, and high powered big capacity NA cars, (with similar power) the big NA cars are always more Brutal with their power delivery...
that said, turbos are 'softer' on motors than NA power (when both are built right)
my 3c.
Cya, Stewart
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Mon, 11 October 2004 08:12
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| oldcorollas wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 17:26 |
| Chris Davey wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 13:59 |
if you have equal displacement with one N/A engine and one turbo
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if you have 'equal displacement'
sayy, 2L with 2 bar boost = max of 600Nm torque
and a 6L Chev (ala sports sedan) = max of 600Nm torque..
sure the 2L will be lighter, but you have to rev the ring out of it to get the turbo spinning to actually make the torque.
even with little lag, you can still measure the time from pedal to full force of motor.
the 6L chev on the other hand will have nearly max torque from maybe 2000-7000rpm... and there is no delay...
atfer rides in high powered turbo cars, and high powered big capacity NA cars, (with similar power) the big NA cars are always more Brutal with their power delivery...
that said, turbos are 'softer' on motors than NA power (when both are built right)
my 3c.
Cya, Stewart
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Oh yeah, I know what you mean but I was referring to actual equal displacement for simplicity.
eg. 7m-ge and 7m-gte. 
On that topic, is there anyone with a 7m-gte that has about the same power as Ed's car? I would really like to see a race Not for arguing just for interest's sake.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 08:38
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 17:26 |
They both have their place. They are both great, they're just different.
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couldnt agree with you more
prefer the bark of a na motor though
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Mon, 11 October 2004 08:46
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i love turbos but if i had to choose between a type R integra or a s15 i think i would end up going the type r cos nothing sounds as sweet as a high power NA 4 banger when there climbing the revs
also i love cornering more than drifting so turbo boost mid corner doesnt do it for me
yes i know u can learn to control it but still id rather the NA
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Mon, 11 October 2004 08:55
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I think turbochargers are an economical thing. I would rather a higher cylender count and more displacement, but it's costly in both money and weight. A small turbocharged engine is light, so can go into a lighter car, and still produces the power of the bigger displaced cars in a more virsitile package (I like boost controllers.  )
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Mon, 11 October 2004 09:04
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The sound of a NA straight six or a V8 is nice, but i've heard no 4 banger that sounded really good.
Mind you there are some really horrid sounding turbo engines too, SR20DET sounds very...agricultural.
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 09:11
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 18:34 |
The sound of a NA straight six or a V8 is nice, but i've heard no 4 banger that sounded really good.
Mind you there are some really horrid sounding turbo engines too, SR20DET sounds very...agricultural.
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errr....the F20C is one of the greatest sounding engines ever made and thats N/A
you are right tho the Sr20 is one of the crappiest sounding motors ever but thankfully they dont make it anymore
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Mon, 11 October 2004 09:12
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 17:11 |
errr....the F20C is one of the greatest sounding engines ever made and thats N/A
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Meh, I could take it or leave it. It has nothing on an M3 straight six or even one of Ford's BOSS V8's.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 09:15
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I love the sound of the BDA escorts, OOOOHHHH YYYEEAAHHH
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 09:17
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 15:26 |
I love both, the sound of a certain wailing twin-throttle 1UZFE under WOT
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Yes, it does sound nice doesn't it.
NA all the way baby.
And you don't go comparing 2 motors of same displacement, one with a turbo, one without.
Thats like comparing a JTGC car to a factory Supra.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 12:43
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 19:12 |
Meh, I could take it or leave it. It has nothing on an M3 straight six or even one of Ford's BOSS V8's.
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now if only Ford would get off it's ass and twin turbo (or SC) the BOSS 290!!!
it already has 520Nm of torque... what would they get with 1bar boost? 900Nm?? that would make even the overweight new cars absolute balltearers!!!!
Cya, Stewart
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Mon, 11 October 2004 13:45
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| oldcorollas wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 22:13 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 19:12 |
Meh, I could take it or leave it. It has nothing on an M3 straight six or even one of Ford's BOSS V8's.
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now if only Ford would get off it's ass and twin turbo (or SC) the BOSS 290!!!
it already has 520Nm of torque... what would they get with 1bar boost? 900Nm?? that would make even the overweight new cars absolute balltearers!!!!
Cya, Stewart
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Yeah thats all well and good to say that but not everyone wants to drive a car with 900nm of tourque, god knows I would kill for one but realistically it aint gonna happen and if it does they will charge $150K for it and then no one would buy it becuase it is $150K for a ford
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 13:49
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I would for this: http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/home.asp
That effectively has your supercharged BOSS Stewart, albeit with the added advantage of an alloy block.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 15:13
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I must say after having owned driven an N/A car (st 162 3s-ge) I learned to love the roar of an N/A as it got to 7k RPM and the way it picked up power almost immediately. But really the feeling isn't there.
That punch I felt as I heard the turbos spool up the first time I drove my current cars was pretty fucking amazing , like someone had take a heavy school bag and whacked me in the gut with it. The feeling of a turbo as it comes onto full boost is pretty amazing.
I have been in some pretty high powered N/A cars but the same feeling just wasn't there. Turbos are the shit, but thats just my opinion. And as for the sound of a turbo over N/A all I have to say is listen to a 2jz at full throttle, the scream of the turbo and high pitched tone of the engine its a very pleasing sound to hear.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 16:12
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 23:49 |
I would for this: http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/home.asp
That effectively has your supercharged BOSS Stewart, albeit with the added advantage of an alloy block.
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mmmmm.. 670Nm is not bad.. i'd love to see the torque curve
hmm, 0-100km/hr in first gear in 3.6? not bad.
at 1550kg, she's a bit of a porker.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 22:25
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 23:19 |
I would for this: http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/home.asp
That effectively has your supercharged BOSS Stewart, albeit with the added advantage of an alloy block.
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I got the ford GT page...
if thats what you were after then thats a very nice car except for the $350K price tag
Personally Id rather an old school replica like a roaring forties and get them put to put in a supercharged motor as they can build them to your specifications.
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Tue, 12 October 2004 04:52
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Turbo's are the shiznit, you can get a very lightweight car and make it go like all hell because you don't need 500kgs of iron/aluminium alloy for a 6L block...
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Tue, 12 October 2004 05:02
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| FWDboy wrote on Tue, 12 October 2004 12:52 |
Turbo's are the shiznit, you can get a very lightweight car and make it go like all hell because you don't need 500kgs of iron/aluminium alloy for a 6L block...
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umm, I'd hate to break it to you, but the LS1, probably weighs not much more than you little 4 cyl.
They weigh something in the vicinity of 160kg's.
Which is a featherweight when it comes to big motors.
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Tue, 12 October 2004 05:13
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Damn, that brown car is ugly, sounds awesome though 
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Tue, 12 October 2004 07:14
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umm, I'd hate to break it to you, but the LS1, probably weighs not much more than you little 4 cyl.
They weigh something in the vicinity of 160kg's.
Which is a featherweight when it comes to big motors.
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$$$ 
When it comes to bang for buck, turbo is great. Sure NA is great as well, but I must profess my love for the low-down torque you get out of a turbo engine
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Tue, 12 October 2004 08:54
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Turboz own Joo grant !
hehehe !
having driven big block V8's and turbo cars - between the two - i still like the turbo's better range for " fun "
The V8 is a monster off the line - gobsmacks of toqrue and a launch like a challenger rocket , but once that turbo kicks in the feeling isnt much different .
i REALLy want to experience a 4cyl NA motor that can sing over 8 - 9 grand without effort ( ie like the teggy R or a decently setup sprinter/4ag ) but yet to have that to compare ..
Maybe soon ..
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Tue, 12 October 2004 09:26
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That video brings back memory's of my early childhood! I was always down at oran park, amaroo and that watching my dad race his datsun in improved production.
Nothing beats the sound of a worked 4cyl with a fat pair of carby's! (that ke25 and ra40 both rock my world)
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Tue, 12 October 2004 10:08
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| MR 1GGTE wrote on Tue, 12 October 2004 08:25 |
I got the ford GT page...
if thats what you were after then thats a very nice car except for the $350K price tag
Personally Id rather an old school replica like a roaring forties and get them put to put in a supercharged motor as they can build them to your specifications.
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well, after seeing the Ford GT today at the motorshow, i'd have to say i'd love to take it for a drive.. they've done a bloody good job with it..
there are some seriously high powered vehicles available from factory..
Ford's Boss 290 (NA) = 520Nm..
the XR6 turbo motor has MAX torque from about 1500-5500rpm flat as...
some of the audi 4.2L V8 biturbos, 630Nm
anyway, i vote for the instant NA response
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Tue, 12 October 2004 10:34
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the motor in the GT is VERY similar to that in our humble falcons XR8's and GT's ..
Cept our head design is better - and we dont have forced indiction on them yet
Imagine a BA Gt falcon with a supercharger - theres your all time greatest touring 4 door car - AGAIN!
reliving the 70's from the HO days - with a forced induction BA GT, when we owned that crown for nearly 30 years
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Tue, 12 October 2004 11:23
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i think a lot of people fail to realise how easy and cheap it is to get a LS1 motor going very very hard!
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Wed, 13 October 2004 00:49
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Indeed the LS1 is extrememly cheap to mod especially when they were detuned to be put into the holdens. N/a mods exhaust, headport, LS1 edit, cold air induction, cams, big throttle body etc for about $8K maybe less and you have 400+KW.
Also dont agree with your torque. There is a new concept for hsv racing series and has the new 6.ol LS2 has 605Nm torque and 335Kw this can still be improved like the 6.2L HRT edition mallo that had a 6.2 packing 650Nm.
The ford motor is too bad except for its size, weight and the fact that it has the same need to be revved like LS1's. The engine has to be lifted to fit new extractots and these are still a compromise. The V8's are really at there limit in terms of NA they need to be supercharged as there is not a huge amount of power to be gained. They use vortech blowers which are great for outright power but dont help low down power as they buil boost with engine revs. However systems like STARR perfomance positive displacement blowers on LS1 see 800Nm of torque at 2000rpm.
The ultimate engine in the ford platform is the turbo six as it has better handling and tunability.
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Wed, 13 October 2004 00:55
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2004 08:49 |
There is a new concept for hsv racing series and has the new 6.ol LS2 has 605Nm torque and 335Kw this can still be improved like the 6.2L HRT edition mallo that had a 6.2 packing 650Nm.
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There is no way they would be getting more than 100Nm/L from a pushrod motor.
Its a concept, and those figures a way over stated (torque wise)
650Nm from 6.2L is 105Nm/L, and that is Ferrari/Lambo figures
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Wed, 13 October 2004 00:58
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Ahh you LS1 lovers can have your straight line monsters, I prefer to go around corners
I love turbo engines and NA engines, having driven both a 1G-GE and 1G-GTE powered Celica XX, I must say they both are nice to drive, but the GTE has easier power mods that are much cheaper. The 1G-GE would probably require custom parts to be made and the power would be harder to produce.
I think in the end it depends on how much money you want to spend, and how you drive the car. That, and an engine like the 1G-GTE has very little lag because the turbos are stupidly small
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Wed, 13 October 2004 01:00
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It was a genuine angine that was used in Brad Dunstan, engine builder for HSv for a while in his R8 clubsport to be run in before being put in the show car. Yes the figures are real, and the car was an absolute demon. 100Nm of Torque per litre is not that uncommon these days, just look at cars like Clio Sport, 206 GTI, S2000, BMW 328i has=d it in 95, M3 all ferraris etc,
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Wed, 13 October 2004 01:04
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2004 09:00 |
100Nm of Torque per litre is not that uncommon these days, just look at cars like Clio Sport, 206 GTI, S2000, BMW 328i has=d it in 95, M3 all ferraris etc,
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Yes, and all those motors are running the latest technology.
VVT-i and shit like that.
You wont do it with a 50+ year old push rod design.
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Wed, 13 October 2004 01:06
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What avout the CSV VS commodore, that was running the old holden engine even wors than the LS1 and was producing 336Kw and 636Nm of torque out of a 5.8L engine.
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Wed, 13 October 2004 01:10
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2004 09:06 |
What avout the CSV VS commodore, that was running the old holden engine even wors than the LS1 and was producing 336Kw and 636Nm of torque out of a 5.8L engine.
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That is just plain over stating.
Its not like they havent done it on the past.
I have no doubts that they produced that power, its just the torque figure that seems ridiculously high.
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Wed, 13 October 2004 01:26
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The torque is not overstated it was an extermaely quick car, just had to launch it first as it weigh like 1700kgs and with that much torque had wheel spin issues. It was in Motor a couple issues ago when they celebrated 10 yrs of CSV and was reviewed in like 97, i have the mag. These engines were extremely torquey and you would be surprised what they can put out. Look at Larry perkins old Holden V8 engines before he was told to run Chevs they were 5.0l and would put out over 600NM of torque from a pushrod.
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Wed, 13 October 2004 01:32
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| Evil_Foetus wrote on Wed, 13 October 2004 11:27 |
an old-school car with a turbo kinda seems out of place... but then i've never really encountered one, and plan on putting a 7mgte in my ma61 anyway...
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Thats the whole point isnt it? So that people won't be expecting it. 7MGTE + MA61 = fun
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Wed, 13 October 2004 01:35
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| Yian wrote on Wed, 13 October 2004 11:32 |
| Evil_Foetus wrote on Wed, 13 October 2004 11:27 |
an old-school car with a turbo kinda seems out of place... but then i've never really encountered one, and plan on putting a 7mgte in my ma61 anyway...
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Thats the whole point isnt it? So that people won't be expecting it. 7MGTE + MA61 = fun
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yeah, thats my idea anyway... i dunno ive had 3 hours sleep
falcadores shouldnt have turbos 
well maybe the xr6T coz i like it
but other than that
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Wed, 13 October 2004 01:39
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hey what about the guy that has a VH commodore with twin turbo setup that puts out 1400rwhp on optimax, he won horse power heroes at summernats last year.
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Wed, 13 October 2004 02:52
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horsepower hero, i think we have a new saying ryley
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Ballarat, Victoria
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Wed, 13 October 2004 02:55
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| The Untouchable wrote on Wed, 13 October 2004 12:52 |
horsepower hero, i think we have a new saying ryley
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i am the horsepower hero
GHEY WIT TEH FUCKIN AIDS
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Wed, 13 October 2004 03:01
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horsepower hero is the name of the comp.
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Ballarat, Victoria
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March 2003
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Wed, 13 October 2004 03:22
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yeah we know, but we like the saying and we're gonna use it now
not dissin ya post or anything dude
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Gladstone, Queensland
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September 2004
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Wed, 13 October 2004 04:52
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turbos and na motors have both advantages and disadvantages.
but i think if u buy an na motor and bolt a turbo on than u r cheating, but motors that come standard with a turbo are fine...... the moral of the story, dont cheat!
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Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Wed, 13 October 2004 06:15
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Once you've had boost it's hard to go back.  . But not impossible!
Turbo vs NA is an inherently stupid argument since it is always going to be a matter of personal taste. The reality is that pushing air/fuel mixture into an engine rather than sucking it in creates more power from the same displacement. Sure a 6 litre v8 is powerful, but all things being equal a 6 litre v8 with 15 psi of pressure in the intake manifold is going to be a lot more powerful . The opinion that turbos are "cheating" is just bullshit. Turbo's are making good use of the energy produced by the engine, instead of letting it go straight out the exhuast.
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Wed, 13 October 2004 06:37
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A good engine with an appropriate turbo setup can make a great performer (depending upon what result/use you wish to achieve)
A crap engine with a turbo can make an acceptable performer.
A good engine in NA form can be great too.
I can appreciate each for their own merits (as most people do)
As has been said throughout this post, it's personal taste and what YOU want from the vehicle that determines your choice.
Cheating, meh. If I was chasing the same power from my engine in NA form it could be done but would be a pig to drive, would have cost a truckload more etc etc. My car can putter around like a charm or I can lay the boot in and run 12's all day long, or go to the track and do a heap of lap sessions and then head home, no towing for this one!! That's how I like it so that's why I have what I have.
Just be happy with what you have and appreciate the effort others have gone to in the creation of what they want.
Cheers.
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brisvegas
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August 2004
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Thu, 14 October 2004 10:06
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i really do like both..as for the sounds..i really don't think anything can surpass a 4AGE with quads on it..JISM..opps the keyboard..
and the turbo..only one engine comes to mind RB26DET have you heard a 9 sec GTR??? OHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! they are the best sounding engine ever made without question in my books
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June 2004
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Re: Do turbos take it up the turbo pipe?
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Thu, 14 October 2004 12:04
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| The Untouchable wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 12:51 |
....cheap speed.
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Cheap speed aye, would you prefer expensive speed??? 
Not quite sure how you can hate turbos.
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