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Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 11:46
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Well tonight I got pulled over for no reason. as usual.. cops tailed me from the second i left work about 2 km's.. and pulled me over.
at this stage i should note ive only got an auto license.
so he pulls me over and gives me the 3rd degree.. he was a bastard at the start but became reasonable when I was actually really nice and polite and not at all pissed off.
Ive got fined for failing to comply with my license, its only 1 point and 75 dollars.
I realise this is an offence and all.. but that 1 point has given me 4 total(loss of license)
I got caught speeding about a year and a half ago at start of my license.. i was 17 over or something at 2 am in morning.
I was wondering if i should even bother writing to the place and try get that 1 point dropped.. I think a 75 dollar fine is enough for a 1st offence. like ill admit i did it.. wont try to lessen the dollar ammount.. but the 1 point.
what does everyone think?
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Sydney
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May 2003
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 12:30
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can you prove competence with a manual vehicle in the form of some form of advanced driver education ?
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 12:41
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proving competance has nothing to do with knowingly breaking the law
if you want to contest the fine then it will cost you money (e.g. court costs) and probably longer period of loss of license.
if the magistrate asks you if you knew your licence was only for auto and you reply 'yes' if will cost you money (e..g. stop wasting my time you knew you should have correct license, ' guilty', next ...)
if you reply in the negative you'll get the same plus with more raised eyebrows (e.g. yeah, sure you didn't know... and i'm the tooth fairy, ' guilty', next ...)
you could try writing a letter to the cops or SPERS (when they send you a polite letter asking for money) but it'll be read by a public servant who doen't really give a damn about your ability to drive or anything actually
so... you could try asking for fairness, but it's more likely that they'll say that its fairer to apply the law the same to everyone.
important thing to remember: license disqualification period starts from when you hand the thing in, not the date of the offence.
next impotant thing to do? get a proper license.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 12:54
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bad luck
your gonna have to cop it
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Brisbane
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February 2004
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 13:02
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No point contesting it, just pay the fine lose your lisence and ask for it back again, you will get it back, I did. You will probably be given it back on condition that u dont lose any more points until you get your opens, thats what happened to me, altho I had 2 weeks till I got my opens  .
I had to go to court, all I did was wak in, the magistrate gives you the "driving is a privilege not a right" speech and tells you if he sees you again you wont get it back.
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Location:
sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 16:26
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you could always just write them a letter and see how it goes. i got out of losing my licence when on my p's by doing this claiming i was unfairly treated and harassed due to my choice of car and p plate.
can you put off paying long enough till u get some more points. also another option
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 16:49
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So i went through and read the rules from qld transport(before i ent out and got drunk tonight..so excuse the typing)
and its only if you accumilate 4 points within a year.
luckily my speeding fine was a year and a half ago
so I wont lose my license.
So ill just cop the fine and pay it.
However ill have to get a manual license before driving my car again.
Is it unwise to take the test in my car(look at avatar).. would they fail me on the sight of my car?
thats the only manual car I have access too
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Location:
Sydney
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September 2004
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 18:07
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Generally it needs to have working brake lights, working inidicators, a seat belt for the driving instructor, two side mirrors, rear view mirror and you should be ok. Except I don't think they take cars that are turbo or high powered.
I can understand your situation. I've only got an auto license and I'm getting a manual car (sprinter!) and I don't know whether I should go and get a manual license.. or wait until February when I get my green P's (able to drive auto and manual). It seems like such a hassle, having to book the test, wait weeks and go through all that crap again.
I know there are a lot of people who drive manual on an auto license.
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 23:46
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| thu187 wrote on Sun, 24 October 2004 04:07 |
Generally it needs to have working brake lights, working inidicators, a seat belt for the driving instructor, two side mirrors, rear view mirror and you should be ok. Except I don't think they take cars that are turbo or high powered.
I can understand your situation. I've only got an auto license and I'm getting a manual car (sprinter!) and I don't know whether I should go and get a manual license.. or wait until February when I get my green P's (able to drive auto and manual). It seems like such a hassle, having to book the test, wait weeks and go through all that crap again.
I know there are a lot of people who drive manual on an auto license.
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exactly.. its not as if Im not competent, and te only reason I have my auto license is cause i got failed for a bullshit reason where I shouldnt have.
So i was broke and had no money left and went for the test in my soarer, which was auto at the time.
SO now i cant drive anything until I get my manual license... poor soarer.
does anyone know if the rule is 4 points within a year or 4 points in the 3 yrs
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 23:50
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also.. the wanker at the end of it came up to me and said
"if you want to have a fast and the furious car, make sure you have a fast and the furious license".. what a fag
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Location:
Brisbane
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March 2004
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sat, 23 October 2004 23:53
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Go to a driving school, get a 1 hour lesson (around $30) and take the drive test over the second half hour of that lesson. Piece o' cake.
Or that's what you "should" do. Here's my funny license story... I learned to drive mostly in my friend's Camaro and also a couple of utes... but i took the drive test in a little Cavalier (kinda like an Astra i guess). I failed dramatically in the first 10 seconds (still blame it on the dickhead in the truck who came screaming round the corner but hey)... Come back a week later driving the Camaro and i passed the damn thing with the window down and music on and spending most of the time chatting to the instructor about random shit nothing to do with cars. Maybe it's better to just go in the car you're comfortable in and used to?
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 00:03
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| amwtoy wrote on Sun, 24 October 2004 09:53 |
Go to a driving school, get a 1 hour lesson (around $30) and take the drive test over the second half hour of that lesson. Piece o' cake.
Or that's what you "should" do. Here's my funny license story... I learned to drive mostly in my friend's Camaro and also a couple of utes... but i took the drive test in a little Cavalier (kinda like an Astra i guess). I failed dramatically in the first 10 seconds (still blame it on the dickhead in the truck who came screaming round the corner but hey)... Come back a week later driving the Camaro and i passed the damn thing with the window down and music on and spending most of the time chatting to the instructor about random shit nothing to do with cars. Maybe it's better to just go in the car you're comfortable in and used to?
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yeah.. but look at my avatar... what u cant see in that pic is my big nasty IC hanging out the front
id also have to fix my right front indicator which isnt a bulb problem.. it blows one every time I put one in.
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I supported Toymods
Toymods Club Secretary
Location:
Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 00:03
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 24 October 2004 09:50 |
also.. the wanker at the end of it came up to me and said
"if you want to have a fast and the furious car, make sure you have a fast and the furious license".. what a fag
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Baaahaha!!! What a classic.. Even more funny as Police cars are Auto aren't they?
Don't know if you've really got much chance of appealing it though.. I mean you knew your license was only valid for an automatic and yet you're driving a manual car. IMO just cop the one point and take the test for a manual license (preferably in a driving school car - not your Soarer!  )
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Location:
Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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Location:
Adelaide
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January 2004
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 00:50
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lol manual and auto licence what the hell?
In SA, u just get ur licence and u can drive anything! i did all my lessons and the test in an auto, but all my cars have been manual.
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sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 01:00
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I am fairly sure that you get your points back after 1 year so you should have 3 points now. Check with the RTA obviously. If you are on 0 points they will send you the "do you want to be a good boy for 12 months or lose your licence for 3 months" letter.
and LOL at the cop's "fast and furious" comment.
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 01:01
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bastard.. i wish it was like that here
anyway.. fixed up the fucked indicator.. and booked a test for..... tomorrow
if i fail... ill shoot myself lol
and im goin in the soarer but i wound all the response and boost out of it
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 01:10
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i feel ashamed that they can even compare my car to FATF... its got no badges.. no rice... no stickers... nothing lol
fatf was bad for the scene in the way of posers.. and bad for us in the way of wanker cops
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Campbelltown, NSW, Austra...
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January 2004
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 01:34
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How does it work in qld, i know in nsw i took my Ps test on an auto and then after i got on my greens the auto restriction was removed.
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Brisbane
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March 2004
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 02:29
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That comment by the cop is funny as! FATF was just a fun action movie, car nerds shouldn't take it seriously. It wasn't supposed to be serious. It's like Hackers ("never fear, i is here...") And then Vin: "granny shifting and not double-clutching like you should"... during the drag! Ahaha! "A worm AND a virus? The plot thickens."
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sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 03:22
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| Camry_omega wrote on Sun, 24 October 2004 11:34 |
How does it work in qld, i know in nsw i took my Ps test on an auto and then after i got on my greens the auto restriction was removed.
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you either go for your auto's (wusses  ) or your manuals. You don't advance to a manual licence from an auto one unless you go and take the test in a manual. Which makes sense to me
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 04:09
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doh eh....
at least the licensing systems isn't as stupid as it is for motorbikes (urgh it shits me).
good luck with the test tomoz btw
Cheers
Wilbo
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 09:28
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just a word of caution - the testing officer will inspect a privately owned car to determine if it is (in their opinion) roadworthy and safe to dive.
they can fail you on the simplest thing such as non-working interior demistor or a blown indicator bulb on the dashboard.
... so something totally unrelated to your driving can trash the test.
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 11:28
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| thechuckster wrote on Sun, 24 October 2004 19:28 |
just a word of caution - the testing officer will inspect a privately owned car to determine if it is (in their opinion) roadworthy and safe to dive.
they can fail you on the simplest thing such as non-working interior demistor or a blown indicator bulb on the dashboard.
... so something totally unrelated to your driving can trash the test.
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interior dimister works.. all bulbs work as far as i can remember.. though reverse lights might be out
has no windscreen wiper washer bottle.
what u reckon the testing guy will do.. make me do a full on test or just see that I can drive a manual?
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Location:
adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 13:25
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so if you get an auto license first over there, how are you meant to learn a manual before going for the test?? put your l's back up or something? or do they just assume that people will do it dodgy and then they get to fine them
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Sun, 24 October 2004 13:28
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| peewee wrote on Sun, 24 October 2004 23:25 |
so if you get an auto license first over there, how are you meant to learn a manual before going for the test?? put your l's back up or something? or do they just assume that people will do it dodgy and then they get to fine them
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you can still drive a manual with a person with a manual license in passenger seat.. the guy in the passenger seat didnt have a license ayt all
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Mon, 25 October 2004 00:21
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My reverse lights dont work.. they werent hooked up in conversion.. am i fucked?
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Brisbane
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February 2004
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Mon, 25 October 2004 03:26
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shouldnt be that hard to hook up the reverse lights.
If u really want to find out how many points you got go to Queensland transport and ask, if u get a nice person they will tell you, otherwise they make u pay around $15 for your driving history.
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Mon, 25 October 2004 04:11
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| Dust wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 13:26 |
shouldnt be that hard to hook up the reverse lights.
If u really want to find out how many points you got go to Queensland transport and ask, if u get a nice person they will tell you, otherwise they make u pay around $15 for your driving history.
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couldnt get reverse lights going 
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Mon, 25 October 2004 06:47
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didnt even get out of the drive way.. turns out my car didnt have a horn..
got my money back to try for another test
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Mon, 25 October 2004 08:08
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| Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 12:11 |
couldnt get reverse lights going
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You are a dong.
Its 2 wires.
One gets given 12v ign, one connect to the reversing lights (there is a connection in the loom above the glovebox)
Done
(FYI, I'm just as slack, been a year, still haven't done it)
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Mon, 25 October 2004 10:52
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Just dont pay the fine till you have your black lic. an 12 points.
The extra points will come of your new full lic.
I had a cop suggest this to me when I got pulled over doing 96 in a 60 zone when i was on the last 2 months of my p's.
I did it and I never lost my lic. But that was 16 years ago! 
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Tue, 26 October 2004 00:58
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| CrUZsida wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 18:08 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 12:11 |
couldnt get reverse lights going
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You are a dong.
Its 2 wires.
One gets given 12v ign, one connect to the reversing lights (there is a connection in the loom above the glovebox)
Done
(FYI, I'm just as slack, been a year, still haven't done it)
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yeha.. we are doing it tomorrow.. or this arvo.. I know where the wires are.. just a cunt to get to..
got the horn working like 2 mins after i got home and ripped one from parts car
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Location:
Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Tue, 26 October 2004 03:54
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| adamb131 wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 20:22 |
Just dont pay the fine till you have your black lic. an 12 points.
The extra points will come of your new full lic.
I had a cop suggest this to me when I got pulled over doing 96 in a 60 zone when i was on the last 2 months of my p's.
I did it and I never lost my lic. But that was 16 years ago!
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That little loophole probably doesn't work anymore Probably an attempt to cover up that the fines are mostly there to raise money for donuts and dirty hookers 
When I was done for 123 in a 110 zone (P plates ) I got a letter about 3 months later saying "please hand in your license biyatch!!!" which wasn't what I wanted to do thats for sure
Instead of letting me go 12 months more without any questions asked on my P's, I had to go to court and tell them that I needed my license for work... and then I used the whole "I also have a poor little sister that relies on me to take her places" thing... worked a treat, ended up with a 6 month extension on my P's... Bastards.
123 in a 110 zone is soooo dangerous Funnily enough, a goverment subaru WRX and magna flew by me at about 140-150 moments before the place where the piggie was hiding doing gay hair styles with his hair dryer.
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Tue, 26 October 2004 04:35
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i miss driving my car
next test next monday
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Location:
Newcastle
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February 2004
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Tue, 26 October 2004 06:10
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goodluck!
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sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Tue, 26 October 2004 09:33
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You are funny Charles
I suppose it was lucky you got to take for a drive on Saturday then hey Johal!
Have you never tried to use your horn before?
good luck with the test.
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Tue, 26 October 2004 09:52
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| Chris Davey wrote on Tue, 26 October 2004 19:33 |
You are funny Charles
I suppose it was lucky you got to take for a drive on Saturday then hey Johal!
Have you never tried to use your horn before?
good luck with the test.
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fuck no.. i dont drive close enough to people etc for them to cut me off
chris:.. ive still gotta take you out on a cold day.. my car needs some serious heat management.
today was grand.. scared the shit outa my mates dad
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: Should I even try asking for fairness
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Tue, 26 October 2004 10:00
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| Jag7799 wrote on Tue, 26 October 2004 19:52 |
fuck no.. i dont drive close enough to people etc for them to cut me off
chris:.. ive still gotta take you out on a cold day.. my car needs some serious heat management.
today was grand.. scared the shit outa my mates dad
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sounds good.
I use my horn to "friendly" toot random people on the side of the road to see their reactions when I am bored. I had some nice air horns in the old Rodeo though.
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) that beast was putting down over 230rwkw at the time
