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January 2004
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 Taking out 4AC help
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Fri, 05 November 2004 09:58
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Going to take out the 4AC, are there any tips or shortcuts (if any, or shouldnt do)? 
any info will be great
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Fri, 05 November 2004 10:05
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the usual shit like draining radiator, gearbox oil
then just undo the mounts and gbox member, and support with jack
and then rip it out
ps. if you need to ask i dont really think you should be doing it. maybe get someone who has removed an engine before to help you
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melb
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March 2004
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Fri, 05 November 2004 13:15
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drain everything, radiator, gbox, and engine if u need to, undo all wires, undo speedo cable, take off da crossmember from da gearbox, undo engine mounts and u might wanna take out da radiotor so u dont punch a huge ass hole in it.
good luck
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne
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June 2002
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Fri, 05 November 2004 13:17
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just take your time, keep checking if there are bits still attatched, a frew to watch out for are:
speedo cable (mine unhooked itself somehow, lucky)
remove the radiator first
remove the inlet and exhaust manifolds, and all the little rubber pipes (this will take about 15 minutes, so much spaghetti)
and what ever else you can get off.
i smashed my cam cover with a giant hammer, cause my engine was rooted, but this is not necassary.
um, dunno what else.
leave the gearbox attatched, put the front of the car up on jackstands, possibly the back too. may not be necassary, but i found it helped a bit.
undo the two main engine moutnts at the front, hook up the crane to the hooks, undo the four bolts that attatch the gearbox crossmember (support with a jack) then let it down, pull out the tailshaft and watch it pour oil all ofer the floor
good luck, its not hard to do at all, but take your time if you havent done engine swaps before
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Fri, 05 November 2004 13:22
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cheers
might take photos for future reference 
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I supported Toymods
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fairfield NSW
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January 2003
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Fri, 05 November 2004 14:14
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dunno if any of the other guys mentioned this but remember to unbolt the tailshaft from the diff so u can slide out the tailshaft from the gearbox easier.
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne
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June 2002
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Fri, 05 November 2004 14:20
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if you want to do that, unbolt the taishaft where it meets the second half of the tailshaft, not the diff. you can just undo the yoke which supports the join, that will give you some more slack to bend it out of the way
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Fri, 05 November 2004 18:38
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you dont need to take off the manifolds
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I supported Toymods
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fairfield NSW
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January 2003
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Fri, 05 November 2004 20:04
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oh yeah, make sure you take off all the piping that hangs off the engine and goes into the firewall.
i farked up a copper/brass pipe that was on the firewall 
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Sat, 06 November 2004 11:57
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would i need special tools like sst things?
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Rosanna, Melb
Registered:
June 2002
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Sat, 06 November 2004 12:15
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No special tools needed.
Remove battery +ve terminal
There's only a couple of wiresgoing to the engine unplug them all (couple to carby, a few to the alternator, wires to starter maybe a couple to the AC, maybe a few earth wires).
Remove throttle cable
Undo exhaust pipe from manifold
Undo top and bottom pipes from radiator
Remove radiator
Undo the two hoses going to the heater from the back of the head
Remove lead from coil to dizzy
Remove tailshaft from back of box
Remove speedo drive
Remove reverse light wires
remove GB earth wire
Remove shifter from inside car
Drain GB oil
Remove clutch slave from GB
Undo engine mounts
Attach engine crane to pickup points
Undo gearbox crossmember
Lift out engine and box carefully
Stand back and bask in the warm glow of a job well done.
That's all off the top of my head, so inevitably I've forgotten a couple of things. But its all simple, just nothing is still connected before lifting it out. I did the whole lot without even removing the bonnet.
Hen
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Sat, 06 November 2004 12:25
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cheers all
just trying to get as much info as i can so it wont turn ugly
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Mon, 08 November 2004 10:30
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what would be the best way to remove a g/box and diff?
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Rosanna, Melb
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June 2002
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Mon, 08 November 2004 12:18
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With an assortment of spanners... and of course a large hammer.
The GB is a bit of a hassle. Just get the car as high as you can on jack stands and ramps.
Disconnect battery
You may also want to disconnect radiator top hose and exhaust manifold from pipe as the engine can tip back a bit while removing the box, but I'm not sure if this is really necessary.
Drain gb oil
Undo all cables and wires
Remove starter and clutch slave
Remove shifter
Remove tailshaft
Undo all bell housing bolts (top 2 are a hassle to get to , but use a unijoint and a mega long extension bar, or reach in from the top and be prepared to wait a while)
Undo gb crossmember but SUPPORT THE BOX (maybe with a scissor jack or helpful sidekick)
Importantly, don't let the gb hang on the input shaft once the crossmember is out.
Slide box back and catch it
Removing a diff is easy although the trailing arm bolts may be tight. No need to drain diff oil, although you can.
Just remove the brake line and handbrake cables first. Handbrake cables can be easily removed intact from the bar where it goes from 1 to 2 cables. Remove swaybar (if it has one). Then remove tailshaft. Unbolt panhard rod. Unbolt shocks at bottom eye (diff will now drop down a bit), lever out springs. Then get to work on the 4 trailing arm bolts. Just make sure the diff doesn't fall on your toes.
Really it is all common sense. Just do it slowly and carefully. The only points which could be a suprise are making sure everything is removed from the box before dropping it and disconnecting the battery before playing with the starter
Now go out to your car and do it.
Hen
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Sydney
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February 2003
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Mon, 08 November 2004 12:23
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as said: make sure to remove the shifter! funny how you can forget about that because its inside the car.
and do drain the gearbox as said, i strongly recommend that one. (anyone whos had gear oil spray all over them will know what i mean)
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Sat, 13 November 2004 01:50
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should i remove the whole thing in one go (g/box and engine) or is engine then g/box betteR?
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Sat, 13 November 2004 02:55
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| rthy wrote on Sat, 13 November 2004 12:50 |
should i remove the whole thing in one go (g/box and engine) or is engine then g/box betteR?
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All in one is much easier  It is a piece of cake to drop a gearbox off a motor when the engine is out, not so easy when in the car (bellhousing bolts are quite annoying to get at, and then you have to support the weight of the gearbox as you are undoing the last few bolts, bah)
I'd suggest taking it out all together.
Cheers
Wilbo
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Brisbane
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May 2004
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Sat, 13 November 2004 03:34
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As I found out recently, you don't need to be a genius mechanic to take this engine out. Me and 2 friends accomplished it in aobut 4 - 5 hours, none of having done that sort of work before.
Very much reccomend taking the engine and gearbox out as one. Use the adjusters on the crane to tilt the engine/gb forwards and backwards as necessary while your lifting it out. Easy!
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Sat, 13 November 2004 03:52
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cheers
it seems the ae71 and ae86 have different loom connections
should i rewire the car from the ae71 or just use the ae86 4ac with some "minor mods"
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
Registered:
December 2003
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Re: Taking out 4AC help
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Sun, 14 November 2004 03:17
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the gearbox bolts are real easy to get to if you know how. All you do is under the gearbox crossmember, and let the gearbox drop down under its own weight. Then get an outragously long extension like a 1 meter one and use it to reach over the gearbox and undo all the bolts from there, then just put the gearbox cross-member back in loosly untill its needed again. You can buy these extension bars seperatly and its great to hit stuff with too. ALL of the reward facing bolts can be undone like this. I am unsure if its better to take the whole box out with it though, because getting the engine lined back up once its back in can be a bitch.
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