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7M - MA61
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Sun, 07 November 2004 22:53
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how easy is it ? to 7M-GTE an MA61
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Sun, 07 November 2004 23:29
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Dude, for the love of god, we have a search function on this forum, bloody well use it! 
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Sun, 07 November 2004 23:30
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easy it bolts in
Any M motor will fit any M engine bay.
Just wiring and intercooling etc will be the problem.
The hard thing is done. It bolts in.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Sun, 07 November 2004 23:48
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nice nice nice. Hey man don't get so upset cause of the Search feature. So will the 7M bolt straight onto the (i think) W58
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Sun, 07 November 2004 23:49
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| TRD_Celica wrote on Mon, 08 November 2004 07:48 |
Hey man don't get so upset cause of the Search feature.
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I wouldn't if people actually took the initiative to use it, thats what it's for, especially for something like another M-series engine into an MA61!
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Sun, 07 November 2004 23:55
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oh i didn't kno about that sorry mate 
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Tue, 09 November 2004 08:23
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Seriously, if you wanted to do the 7M conversion into the MA61, all you need is:
I based my conversion on that and its running great. Now you just have to call around to find out the prices 
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Tue, 09 November 2004 09:33
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| Yian wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 19:23 |
Seriously, if you wanted to do the 7M conversion into the MA61, all you need is:
I based my conversion on that and its running great. Now you just have to call around to find out the prices
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I concur with what Yian said, his conversion was great coz of Andy's documentation 
Cheers.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Tue, 09 November 2004 23:57
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| Yian wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 19:23 |
Seriously, if you wanted to do the 7M conversion into the MA61, all you need is:
I based my conversion on that and its running great. Now you just have to call around to find out the prices
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Phew, thats good to hear becuase that what im basing mine around! Already priced everything except the IC piping and its sitting a touch under 3000! cant wait till i have the money!
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 01:51
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Thats good dude. If you have priced everything down to the exhaust, get as many rubber hoses and just go to an exhaust shops for a couple of bends and straight pieces of piping. Cost me a grand total of like $80 for I/C piping. But lots of headfucks making them fit =p
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:48
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so how much am i looking at paying ? everyone is coming out with different figures ?
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:48
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It all depends on how far you go with maintenance type things, how much you can get everything for and how much of it you can do yourself.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:51
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well i reckon dropping it in and fitting i could do, but all the electrical shit would b a different story
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:51
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Well that wiring will add roughly about $500 to your total.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:52
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so only in labour wat is the most expensive part ? dropping and mounting hte engine ?
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:55
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Pulling the old engine out, putting the new one in and hooking everything back up. Then having to fiddle with little bits to get it all coexisting with the car perfectly.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 04:15
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My conversion only cost me $4.9k in total, and that included the car
Mind you, the conversion was already done 
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 04:39
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well i am paying $4000 for mine, inclduing transport from QLD!! but how much could i pick up a cheap 7M that is still in good cond.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 06:58
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Wiring you could do urself if you follow the pointers on Andy's site. Do everything he tells u to do and the car will start first go.
Good 7M with all acessories is dependable. Most places in Melbourne wanted from $1700 - $2500
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 07:21
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hmm spose it should be quite straight forward. i have never done an engien swap but it would b a good learning curve
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 07:24
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Well I didn't have any prior experience either. But my mate is a mechanic and gave me a hand. It would be good if you knew someone who could give you some pointers. Theory and practical always seem to be different somehow. Just a suggestion.
Yian
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:22
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I hear 7m blow head gaskets all the time . is this true or are alot of people not looking after them ?
if so surely there is another motor you could swap in unless ur hearts set on it.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:46
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| Mookie wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 19:22 |
I hear 7m blow head gaskets all the time . hearts set on it.
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Na this is true, but with a TRD Head Gasket metal type you are able to get heaps more torque.
the only reason i want this convertion is the amount of torque it will pull. Althought a 1JZ/2JZ is better there is alos a higher cost involved. and a 1G is just too small.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:47
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| Mookie wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 19:22 |
I hear 7m blow head gaskets all the time . is this true or are alot of people not looking after them ?
if so surely there is another motor you could swap in unless ur hearts set on it.
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yes it is true!  i think many on this forum can attest to that.
however once fixed properly it should have no problems. its still a good motor.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:49
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I would rather opt for a newer turbo engine than something like a 5MGE or 6MGE.. the big brother 7MGTE!!
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:52
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| TRD_Celica wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 19:46 |
Na this is true, but with a TRD Head Gasket metal type you are able to get heaps more torque
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wha?
headgasket = more torque? how did you come to that conclusion
i wonder if you mean torque the bolts more? but what does the headgasket have to do with how much you can torque the bolts up?
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:54
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no no lol.. wat i meant was i will be able to get more torque from this engine rather than something else for aroudn the same price.. that is y i went on about the 2JZ/1JZ...
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:58
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What he means is that you can safely put more boost through the motor with an MHG, thus creating more power and torque.
And STR8 2.8, reply to my PM goddamnit
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 10:15
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| CrUZsida wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 19:58 |
What he means is that you can safely put more boost through the motor with an MHG, thus creating more power and torque.
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Yew at he sais 
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:40
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| TRD_Celica wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 16:46 |
and a 1G is just too small.
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That's debatable, different for sure, but not too small. That mentality only arises from the fact larger more powerful engines have plenty of room in an MA61 as well, but neglects the benefits a 1G does have.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:42
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1g will make enough power to make an ma61 lots of fun... but of course, the 7m makes more and is an easier conversion, so why go the 1? (unless you're like nathan, and start with a ga61 body)
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:44
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na i am sure the 1G would be a vast improvment over the 5ME, but still for the time and effort u might aswell do it properly
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:57
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So you're telling me 150rwkw out of the box in a car 1275kg, with an engine that is lighter and more centrally balanced isn't doing it right?
That said, having a 1G sump and engine mounts makes it easier, there are always two sides to the coin.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 04:33
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The 7M would be a lot better engine in the MA-61 as it has plenty of torque, something a 1G doesnt have (well not until about 3grand).
A car with heaps of torque is heaps better to drive
Richard
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 04:36
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| pannelvan_screema wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 12:33 |
A car with heaps of torque is heaps better to drive
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Granted, but a car with 2 correctly sized turbo's is better to drive than a car with one bigger turbo
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 04:50
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Well, i'll say 7M all the way! Here's a list of parts that i put together that will be making my Supra GTE and all work will be carried out by me and my dad.
7M-GTE - $1000 (Includes wiring harness and ECU) was very lucky to find this bargain in tassie
7M-GE Clutch and Pressure Plate - $190 from Bursons
7M-GE Flywheel - Yet to be priced
POD Air Filter - $120 K&N
3" Turbo Back Exhaust - $460 from Moonah Exhaust
MSD Tach Adapter #8920 - $137
Guages
- Oil pressure - $50
- Boost - $50
Air/Fuel mixture reader - $15 bux from Jaycar
Remote Oil Filter Adapter Kit - $200 from Jan 'n' Albies
Servicing 7M-GTE - $225
Flywheel Reground - $44
Intercooler Plumbing - Yet to be priced
TOTAL $2491
And that is my secret guys
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 05:16
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The 7MGE clutch wont hold up to a 7MGTE for more than a few months
The pod filter is a WOFTAM unless you shield it like Joorsh
The Air/fuel meter is a WOFTAM
MSD Tach adaptor may not be required, by this last
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 05:16
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A few suggestions.
Don't get a std clutch unless you want to replace it pretty quick. Spend a few more bucks and get a good custom sprung centre 6 puck clutch and a high clamp p/plate for about $500.
Put on a new timing belt and tensioner, and this will cost you about $200
You'll need a 3" cat converter with the exhaust - about $300
Don't bother with a remote filter, they are not that hard to change. minus $200
Forget the MSD, get the booster from Sixworks (here on the forum), it is cheaper and made locally. - $98
Seriously think about putting in at least a new std headgasket and ARP studs - $350 or so
That adds about $820 all up extra, but well worth the hassle whilst it is easy to do !!!!
Cheers
Michael B
Oh, and don't forget about the suspension bushes, shocks, brake pads, brake lines .......
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 05:27
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I've posted this before, but I'll post it again. It's a 1GGTE conversion into a GA61, so a few of the things are a tad different, but it lists a lot of the little things you forget.
1GGTE w/ Blitz turbos + W58 + wiring (inc. freight) $2,200.00
Heavy Duty Clutch Kit and Machined Flywheel $418.00
450x300x76mm Intercooler $389.00
Timing Belt Toyota Genuine $75.00
5l Mobil 1 Synthetic 5w50 $50.00
4l Toyota Red Engine Coolant Concentrate $36.00
Oil Filter AMDelco $10.00
Fuel Filter $18.49
MONZA Pod Filter $20.00
Heat-Resistant Foam Clark Rubber $10.50
3" Exhaust with High-Flow Cat and Muffler from Factory Y-Pipe $622.50
2" to 3" to 2" Intercooler piping $500.00
Radiator Flush and Check $66.00
Engine/Gearbox Oil Seals $150.00
Replacement Hoses and Vacuum Lines $45.00
Spigot Bearing $4.00
2 x Cam Cover Seals $100.00
Battery $110.00
Ampol Semi-synthetic Gearbox oil $75.00
Power Steering Fluid $6.00
6 x Spark Plugs (NGK BCPR6EP-N-8) (Denso K20PRU11) $20.00
Power Steering/Aircon/Alternator Belts $53.99
Injector Clean and Check $99.00
For a much higher than expected, current total of: $5,078.48
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 06:19
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well negative if yer up for doing it in yer MA61.. i shall do it with ya.. it's a good learning curve for both of us 
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 06:22
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Don't get a std clutch unless you want to replace it pretty quick. Spend a few more bucks and get a good custom sprung centre 6 puck clutch and a high clamp p/plate for about $500.
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Okay, i was thinking about this but i have no experience with customs clutchs or have any idea where to get them from?
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You'll need a 3" cat converter with the exhaust - about $300.
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Supra is an 84' model, been told that it dosn't require a CAT
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Don't bother with a remote filter, they are not that hard to change. minus $200.
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Been told that there isn't enough room for the oil filter to fit, the space between the engine and side wall is small, hence a remote oil filter kit. What setup do you have running in your car?
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Forget the MSD, get the booster from Sixworks (here on the forum), it is cheaper and made locally. - $98.
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Thnx for that mate
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Seriously think about putting in at least a new std headgasket and ARP studs - $350 or so.
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Will look into it further
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That adds about $820 all up extra, but well worth the hassle whilst it is easy to do !!!!.
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Thanks mates, was thinking my total was a bit cheap, was dreaming too much
Will be looking at the Suspension, brakes, bushings etc. After the conversion.
Thanks for the feedback guys
-sam
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 06:24
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hmmm
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 06:26
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All the 83 model celica's i've seen have cats.
they have the standard zorst system.
mie has a custom setup and has no cat? and it's an 84 model so i dunno
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 06:26
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| negative boost wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 14:22 |
Supra is an 84' model, been told that it dosn't require a CAT
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You are putting in a motor that was released with a CAT.
To get the car engineered, you will need a CAT.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 06:27
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| Mookie wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 14:26 |
All the 83 model celica's i've seen have cats.
they have the standard zorst system.
mie has a custom setup and has no cat? and it's an 84 model so i dunno
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No Aus delivered MA61's had CAT's (except maybe the late 85), as they were released with the intention of running on leaded fuel
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 06:27
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The EFI model xA's celica have cats, but the carbies one's don't
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 06:39
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No car sold in Australia had a catalytic converter before 1986, because unleaded fuel simply wasn't available here before then. A cat will clog up in no time if run on leaded fuel. Of course if you're looking at grey-import cars that's a different story, because Japan switched to unleaded in the 70's.
MA61's have heat shielding which at first glance looks sort of like a cat, so maybe that's what you're thinking of.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 06:48
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| Norbie wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 17:39 |
No car sold in Australia had a catalytic converter before 1986, because unleaded fuel simply wasn't available here before then. A cat will clog up in no time if run on leaded fuel. Of course if you're looking at grey-import cars that's a different story, because Japan switched to unleaded in the 70's.
MA61's have heat shielding which at first glance looks sort of like a cat, so maybe that's what you're thinking of.
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So that would mean that the 83 model celica's i've seen would have been sitting in a warehouse for 3 years before being sold ?
That can't be right.
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 06:52
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| CrUZsida wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 17:26 |
| negative boost wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 14:22 |
Supra is an 84' model, been told that it dosn't require a CAT
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You are putting in a motor that was released with a CAT.
To get the car engineered, you will need a CAT.
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Hmm, the guys down at the exhaust place said that i would probably wouldn't need one as the chassis is an 84' model and dosnt matter what year the engine is. just saying what they said
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Thu, 11 November 2004 07:04
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Either way, you'll get shafted when the time comes for an emissions test without a cat.
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Thu, 11 November 2004 07:13
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Hmm, oh well just looks like im going to have to be a mroe sedate driver on the roads then. And fingers crossed all goes well. by the way what does 'WOFTAM' mean?
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 07:17
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| negative boost wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 15:13 |
by the way what does 'WOFTAM' mean?
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Waste Of Fucking Time And Money
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 09:58
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yea it is... it's good. hopefully yer dad has some good knowledge negative.. BTW when u r u thginking of gettig yer supra
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Thu, 11 November 2004 10:17
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Just a thought. $250 got me a custom sprung centre 4 puck clutch suited to the 5me flywheel. I've been giving it hell and back for the last 2 months. Still holding up. If you can't find a 7m-gte flywheel maybe you can go this direction first?
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Fri, 12 November 2004 00:43
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hmmm it is worth giving some though.. thx yian
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Re: 7M - MA61
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Fri, 12 November 2004 01:20
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| Mookie wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 16:48 |
So that would mean that the 83 model celica's i've seen would have been sitting in a warehouse for 3 years before being sold ?
That can't be right.
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Nope. Either you're looking at JDM imports, or what you saw wasn't really a cat at all.
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| Norbie wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 17:39 |
No car sold in Australia had a catalytic converter before 1986, because unleaded fuel simply wasn't available here before then.
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Mookie i reckon yer mates celica's where imported and soemwhere along the line they where never told or it wasn't a cat.. AGREE's with Norbie Btw norbie how did u get the name Norbie ?
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