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How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Tue, 09 November 2004 13:06
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Been thinking about getting a bigger/better flowing intercooler (since I think that's what is holding my 4AGTE from making some decent power).
I wanna know how other people rate these intercoolers you can get from www.modyourcar.com.au:
Core size is 450x300x76, advertised as bar and plate with 3 inch inlet/outlet. No-name brand.
Are these the same type/brand as the intercoolers that were done as a group buy on Toymods a little while ago?
Anyone used them with good results? Someone else on this forum didn't think much of them.
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Tue, 09 November 2004 13:48
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I've got one sitting in the other room. There is nothing special about them, it's a bit bling, but it doesn't look any worse than any of the other ones that look exactly the same as them.
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Tue, 09 November 2004 13:52
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the 600x300x76 ones are actually cheaper. 350$
having said that, the end tank design isnt very good
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Tue, 09 November 2004 14:00
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The 600mm ones are still listed as $399, where is the $350 figure coming from?
What exactly is wrong with the end tanks?
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Tue, 09 November 2004 14:04
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uneven flow along the core
get them from swan tyres in osb park
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Tue, 09 November 2004 14:29
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I was looking at one of these, a 600x300 one, for when i get a soarer. they seem pretty well made, and for $400, a bargain too! my mate said something about the number of fins per centimeter or something for the flow to your radiator, that if theres too many it cuts the flow to the radiator?
The end tanks look okay to me, most coolers ive seen have end tank designs similar to that?
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Tue, 09 November 2004 14:56
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theres a guy that works there that brought in heaps of the 600x300 ones
350 each
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Tue, 09 November 2004 15:04
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compare the end tank design to one from a Skyline gtr
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Tue, 09 November 2004 21:20
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its also whats inside the end tanks...
do these coolers have veins in the end tanks to direct airflow and distribute it more evenly thru the core?
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Tue, 09 November 2004 21:28
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 08:20 |
its also whats inside the end tanks...
do these coolers have veins in the end tanks to direct airflow and distribute it more evenly thru the core?
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At $400, I doubt it very much.
I paied more for a s/hand ARC core that is slightly smaller, but I know what will work better in terms of heat rejection and flow through the core.
All I/C's are not created equal, and although I haven't seen a MYC one in the flesh, I have seen the cheap Chinese cores (of which I believe one of these are) and they are just that, made to a price.
You get what you pay for.
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Tue, 09 November 2004 23:51
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| ae95 wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 23:04 |
compare the end tank design to one from a Skyline gtr
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Exactly what i was going to say!
Looking at them i reckon only half the core would be used.
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Wed, 10 November 2004 01:37
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anyone got pics of the GTR cooler?
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 01:42
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:07
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Under pressure I doubt only half the core would be used, for sure the top half of the core wont be being fully utilised, but you can't complain for the price 
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:11
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meh, redo the end tanks, put a water jacket around it and use it as a WTA 
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 04:46
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i reckon cutting a end tank off and reversing it so there is an outlet on the top and bottom would make it better
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 05:05
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 11:07 |
Under pressure I doubt only half the core would be used, for sure the top half of the core wont be being fully utilised, but you can't complain for the price
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Sure it's under pressure, but the air in the top can be stagnant, the pressure will be still the same as the bottom but it wont be movin.
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Wed, 10 November 2004 05:05
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I thought the MYC coolers where just Hybrids ones. How are Hybrids? They have Veins and artereys too ??
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Wed, 10 November 2004 05:06
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i reckon cutting a end tank off and reversing it so there is an outlet on the top and bottom would make it better
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Once again agreed
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:05
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Is reversing the tanks going to increase the flow through the top section? If the air isn't being directed towards the top through the inlet side, how is having the outlet side at the top going to affect the previous statement?
BTW, I'm not having a go, i'm trying to understand
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:29
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 16:05 |
Is reversing the tanks going to increase the flow through the top section? If the air isn't being directed towards the top through the inlet side, how is having the outlet side at the top going to affect the previous statement?
BTW, I'm not having a go, i'm trying to understand
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I suppose the simpliest way to describe it is the air will try to take the simpliest path, i.e less resistance
If the inlet and outlet are at different ends, the simpliest path is more complex than the inlet and outlet at the bottom. Sure if you just layed the cooler on it's side, put a hose in the water would flow through the bottom, then go up the end tank and out. Now if we stood the tank up to pressurise it (like boost) you would find the water would flow through many different areas in the cooler to find the exit. Does this help?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:35
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This is what I was thinking, just clarifying. I'm actually thinking about getting someone to do this, just trying to work out whether the benefits are going to outweigh the more complicated plumbing (i.e. I had holes to run through if both at bottom).
Will it make much of an improvement, especially as the XX will be all about maximising the efficiency of what i've got instead of going all out.
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:26
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you could also redesign the endtanks or just put up with it.
i've seen heaps of s13's, r32's that dont bother modifiying anything
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:30
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i've seen heaps of s13's, r32's that dont bother modifiying anything
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Your point is? 
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:31
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It will make a difference, how much i dont know.
All depends on how much power you are chasing, perhaps a smaller better designed cooler will fit better, having said that it will probably cost alot more.
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:38
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you could also redesign the endtanks or just put up with it.
i've seen heaps of s13's, r32's that dont bother modifiying anything
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Haha, but they're Nissan owners
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It will make a difference, how much i dont know.
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Say it could be done for under $100, would you say it'd be worth it? The intercooler isn't going to be changed ever, I'll be chasing a max eventually of around 200rwkw.
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:42
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i've seen them push 200rwkw's before with no mods at all
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Wed, 10 November 2004 12:11
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Yeah, thats the thing. I've got no doubt the core would core well due to its capacity as a heatsink and size, and therefore be able to make the numbers, but if it could be improved somewhat by turning the tank around then I may as well get someone to do it while its out and I haven't made the IC piping.
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 14:28
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I reckon for the price these 'coolers are great, to get something significantly better you need to spend a fair bit of money, and these would comfortably support more power than most of us need on the street. (Edit: I'm refering to the more common 600x300x76 here) I used one in my brothers 1JZ cressida conversion, & as well as fitting behind the bar & grille (no, not the local steakhouse ) with no mods it's always been cool to the touch after a hard fang, bar the first 15cm of the inlet side, which is always nice & warm. That's with the cooler mounted upside down, with the in/out pipes at the top, feeling the very top of the core.
Saying all that I spent twice as much on a smaller ARE intercooler for my own car with a 4AGTE (yet to run) with heaps better endtank design, better core & a much more appropriate size for a 1600cc motor, in my opinion. (It's a bit smaller than the one pictured at the top, which would also be a great size for a 4A)
Check out this link for a wealth of info,
http://www.are.com.au/techtalk/intecoolersMR.htm
Their main page is here,
http://www.are.com.au/index.htm
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 14:48
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Ok, after reading that site, it would appear the end tanks aren't too bad. They roughly mimic, albeit not perfectly, the setup they describe as "not perfect, but very good".
The main difference is the inlet being a bit lower.
They also have an IC about the same size they rate as 320kW, so I think I should be fine as they are. I might just go as is and see how it turns out. It means I don't have to cut any panels, nor try to squeeze it past air filter or battery too.
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 21:38
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good stuff! Because I have already ordered my 500X300X76mm cooler for the Corona That is the largest I can fit.
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Wed, 10 November 2004 23:22
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some from rolin
Hybrid ones
Trust on ebay
Ok, so what do people make of the Trust one on ebay? And the hybrid ones for $499?
Cheers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 23:33
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I have a hybrid one on my st185
on the dyno it sat at 25 degrees intake temp( with dyno fan )
and held a constant 23psi
I'm happy with that
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Thu, 11 November 2004 00:04
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 22:48 |
Ok, after reading that site, it would appear the end tanks aren't too bad. They roughly mimic, albeit not perfectly, the setup they describe as "not perfect, but very good".
The main difference is the inlet being a bit lower.
They also have an IC about the same size they rate as 320kW, so I think I should be fine as they are. I might just go as is and see how it turns out. It means I don't have to cut any panels, nor try to squeeze it past air filter or battery too.
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I think the other main difference is the distance of the pipe or thickness of the end tank from the core. The larger the distance like the GTR style the more efficient as the air can diffuse out. The hybrid endtanks are very compact.
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Ok, so what do people make of the Trust one on ebay? And the hybrid ones for $499?
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mmm... the trust one looks like a hybrid one with a black "trust" logo sprayed on. But the seller will tell you why you should "trust" this is a genuine item, why wouldnt you believe them, this is ebay afterall
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Thu, 11 November 2004 11:26
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Add some more fuel to this fire
A bigger MYC one...
Oh and no body has said what they think about the 'hybrid' intercoolers?
Cheers
Wilbo
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Thu, 11 November 2004 11:35
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the hybrid ones are same as the rhk ones on modyourcar
theyre all from the same factory in china.
the hybrid ones sell for more because theyre branded
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Thu, 11 November 2004 12:18
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| ae95 wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 22:35 |
the hybrid ones are same as the rhk ones on modyourcar
theyre all from the same factory in china.
the hybrid ones sell for more because theyre branded
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Not doubting your word, but anyway to confirm that?
also another one (tapered core, opinions?)
ebay one here (tapered core)
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Thu, 11 November 2004 23:25
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What do you mean by tapered core, i can't see where it's tapered anywhere?
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Re: How do you rate MYC intercoolers?
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Fri, 12 November 2004 01:12
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| Skip wrote on Fri, 12 November 2004 10:25 |
What do you mean by tapered core, i can't see where it's tapered anywhere?
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In that picture the length across the top (marked as 600mm) of the core appears to be significantly shorter than the length along the bottom of the core. i.e. the core 'tapers' from the top to the bottom (in terms of frontal area).
Wouldn't that be a good idea to compensate for end tank design?
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Fri, 12 November 2004 01:41
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| wilbo666 wrote on Fri, 12 November 2004 09:12 |
| Skip wrote on Fri, 12 November 2004 10:25 |
What do you mean by tapered core, i can't see where it's tapered anywhere?
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In that picture the length across the top (marked as 600mm) of the core appears to be significantly shorter than the length along the bottom of the core. i.e. the core 'tapers' from the top to the bottom (in terms of frontal area).
Wouldn't that be a good idea to compensate for end tank design?
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I think maybe its just an optical illusion/photo angle?
If it is 800mm across the bottom from inlet/outlet thats onle 100mm per side for the length of endtank and stub, no way it's tapered.
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Fri, 12 November 2004 01:43
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After looking at it a few more times it just looks like an optical illusion. The core is just tilted back, thats why you can see the bottom but not the top.
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Fri, 12 November 2004 01:57
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ive got one of the group buy from toymods on my 1g sprinter. For the price I reckon it works great, to the touch one side is hot and the other is really cold thats about all I need to know lol
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Fri, 12 November 2004 02:02
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How much of a temperature difference is there between the top and the bottom of the core?
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Fri, 12 November 2004 02:12
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yeah dunno, hard to judge...
The idea of a tapered core is a good one tho? (yes/no?) I think it has its merits
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Fri, 12 November 2004 02:14
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I spose it'd come some way to evening the distances the air has to flow. You'd make it shorter at the top then the bottom (depending on outlets), thats what that pics looks to me.
That said, I'd say it's probably better just to work on the end tanks, otherwise we'd see more tapered cores.
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Fri, 12 November 2004 02:17
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you gotta think how much power are you trying to get? Do you really need to pay all the extra money for a very slight improvement you probably arn't even gonna notice. Unless your going for some crazy high strung car that needs every little bit to be right.....
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Fri, 12 November 2004 02:21
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Hehe, I get your point. All I'm trying to do is optimise what i've got rather than just jumping to the default option of getting a new turbo. I'll be interested to see whether the Blitz CT12's can manage 180rwkw.
So, hot much hotter is bottom of inlet side to top? 
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Mon, 15 November 2004 03:24
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has anyone seen the new MYC coolers? they are 600x300x100 and the end tanks look better then the old ones
looks good for $547
so would this design be better then the other one?
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Mon, 15 November 2004 06:37
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Just buy an intercooler already  Many of these theories are good for arguments sake, but I would really like to see all of the above fitted to the same setup, to show that its really hard to measure a difference, particularly on a street car that never sees enough time on boost to heat soak the core.
You may find it harder to mount the "newer" MYC cooler pictured above in many applications, as the inlet & outlet would be placed right in the way of bumper mounts on many old school toyotas. Plus its another 25mm thick, so space is a consideration.
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Mon, 15 November 2004 08:30
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Hey all
I cant see what all the arguing is about. The Question was asked what you think about these coolers.
The answer is for the price these are an excelent cooler. People are saying these are crap for flow and that (insert BRAND NAME here) cooler flows heaps better but looking at the comparative price they would want to flow better.
In short as bbaacchhyy said you get what you pay for
My two bob worth
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| wilbo666 wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 22:26 |
Add some more fuel to this fire
A bigger MYC one...
Oh and no body has said what they think about the 'hybrid' intercoolers?
Cheers
Wilbo
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Its cool, we don't expect you to read the thread I don't think anyone has mentioned em.... 
Cheers
Wilbo
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Mon, 15 November 2004 09:03
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my opinion is the gtr cooler is a big sized and well designed unit
with great endtank and large core size. but at around 500 + it is 200 more expensive than the hybrid cooler.
the hybrid cooler is the same size as a gtr cooler and the only down side are the end tanks. but for the price theyre great value
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Mon, 15 November 2004 11:57
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the ppl that have them love them... that should be enough
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the ppl that have them love them... that should be enough
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Yep. My name is Phil, and I love my Hybrid lol
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Mon, 15 November 2004 13:13
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OK, I think I'm convinced. 
Give me a bit of time to save the dosh and I WILL buy a Hybrid/MYC style one and fit it and tell you all how it goes...
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the ppl that have them love them... that should be enough
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Yep. My name is Phil, and I love my Hybrid lol
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Your car is PHAT
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