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 Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Mon, 15 November 2004 03:09
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saw a Beams VVTi SW20 half cut at CVA.....cost 3800 thou....
what do u guys think?
should i get the BEAMS?
or 3rd GEN turbo 3sgte?!?
anyone know how much is the conversion cost?
anyone tried to do the conversion of the BEAMS SW20?good?bad?
lot quicker than the normal 3sge??
comment needs!!! 
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Montrose, VIC
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Mon, 15 November 2004 03:12
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Rebuild the BEAMS engine to suit, then turbo the bugger  Hang on, that'd be damned expensive! Oh well, I'm at least SUGGESTING, alright!
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Mon, 15 November 2004 03:19
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beams is abotut he best you can expect from an NA 2L street motor.
if you want more power, then you have to turbo/SC.
i don't know howmuch quicker it woule be over a standard worked 3S, but not as much as a turbo with 1bar boost 
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Toymods Vice President
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Mon, 15 November 2004 03:20
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That's almost like asking a religion question lately around here.
Do you like the push in the back that big mid range torque gives you, or the crisper throttle response of the NA engine. The 3SGTE has far more potential for increased power and will be significantly quicker than the Beams in a straight line but around a track the Beams would be awesome.
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Mon, 15 November 2004 05:27
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and I venture that the BEAMS would be nicer on the fuel economy and less hassles too (turbo = much more hassle material)
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Ballarat
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September 2003
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Mon, 15 November 2004 05:53
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yeah it comes down to personal choice brother. depends if you are a turbo boy or an NA boy, both engines will be awesome in their own right.
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Mon, 15 November 2004 06:47
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but like.....will the beams a lot more difference to my current 3sge?!?
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melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Mon, 15 November 2004 07:25
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i thought the BEAMS was only in the altezza? i didnt know it was in the sw20?
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Tue, 16 November 2004 00:28
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Wheres bill when you need him.
For a street car, Id go gte, unless I was feeling like I didnt want hassle, then I'd go the beams
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Toymods Vice President
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Tue, 16 November 2004 01:08
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I think the beams would be a tonne of fun in an AW11 where it's relative lack of torque wouldn't hurt it as much. The revvy nature of the engine would better match the AW11 chassis than the softer SW20 as well.
That being said the power output for the beams is about 40HP down on the Gen3 3SGTE and the torque would be about 50-70% of the turbo.
I wish this half cut was available before I got my Gen3 3SGTE, actually maybe I don't it would have made it a super hard decision.
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Toymods Club Treasurer
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Tue, 16 November 2004 01:09
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Just as a point of clarification, the 3S Beams was in the ST202 Celica.
the "4" refers to the crappy 5S version.
& don't worry bout the Gen III 3S-GTE, get the Gen IV. Then you'll really blow your budget. 
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Tue, 16 November 2004 01:21
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| wagonist wrote on Tue, 16 November 2004 12:09 |
Just as a point of clarification, the 3S Beams was in the ST202 Celica.
the "4" refers to the crappy 5S version.
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Oops my bad, no we don't want a 5S 
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Tue, 16 November 2004 02:37
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I've had many a colourful conversation with my NZ counterpart aka:"Kidong" on the RAV4OZ forums about his choice of engine. He has a 3-door 1996 model RAV which originally had the same 3S-FE as mine did. He swapped it over for a 3S-GE BEAMS (4th Gen VVT-i) and currently not only uses it for street but also around the Pukekohe circuit. He believes it's the best solution for the RAV4 while keeping it N/A, and God knows he's spanked many a Subaru B4 turbo around there too.
The ease of the swap between 3S-FE and 3S-GE BEAMS was apparently a fairly simple task compared to switching over the 3S-GTE like with mine. The wiring didn't take much effort while mine's still getting sorted... He swears by the BEAMS engine though - it's a great solution for a lightweight road/track RAV4 like his with very peppy response and fantastic acceleration and speed.
FYI: The NZ engine marketplace has a fair whack of the BEAMS engines too - I believe the RAV4's even come with them as OEM equipment in NZ.
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Tue, 16 November 2004 10:28
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sorry for the mis info about the beams not being in the SW20, i stand corrected.
ill go retreat to my hole again
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Tue, 16 November 2004 11:55
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The last of the TTE rally Corollas were Beams engines with turbo kits fitted to them. If you have the cash, that would be the more desirable option.
But if your question is a choice between a N/A Beam or a 3S-GTE, I'm not too sure myself. It would depend on the car the engine was going into and the type of driving you want to do with it.
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November 2004
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Thu, 18 November 2004 06:29
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gee.......it's a hard choice!!!
anyone know how much would such a conversion cost?
i mean only the labour cost.......not included the engin itself
and how long it takes to be done??
anyone?
one more Qs.....do my engin still worth money?
its 1998 MR2 3SGE
um.....still need to choose one of them......
turbo.......or NA.......
anyone here tried the Beams on the SW20?!?!
and does the BEAMS in NZ cheaper than in Aussie?!?
thx u guys responds!!!!
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Thu, 18 November 2004 09:31
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If you are going Beams and NA with stock ECU, Engine wiring can be tricky...
Unless someone here can get you Altezza wiring diagrams.
With turbo setup you could go carburated and fit solid cam gears.. Still you need programmable ignition for it.
And how about traction control, abs and so on..
I would go with Beams hi cr and lo boost turbo setup.
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Thu, 18 November 2004 11:09
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The Beams that RedMad2 MR2 is looking at in CVAP is a half cut, and for $3800 that's a bargin. There is the Red Top BEAMs 200hp, which is a high revving smooth bundle of fun engine, loom, ECU, rear suspension & brakes. It's a friggin bargin! I almost bought it except I dont have the $$$ required for the labour, so I had to let it slide.
For you with an existing 1998 3SGE you've already got 180ps & 142lb Torque @ 4200RPM, which is a damn site better than my 91 3SGE with only 152ps & 137lb @ 4800 
Mr Beams 3S-GE not only offers you VVTi but 200ps and more torque fun with 152lb @ 6000RPM. You get more revs for your buck. It's be an awesome car for twisties and track days, straight lines though you couldn't argue with the 3S-GTE with 255ps & 225lb @ 4000 RPM.
You'd definately notice a difference going up to the beams, but with the $6000 or so it'd cost you by the time you throw labour is, is it worth it.
If I had $6000 I'd be doing the conversion today, but I've more to gain(50HP instead of 20) from the beams than you. It'd be cheaper to insure, and as far as I could gather in NSW you probably wouldn't have to get it engineered, as it's the same capacity and family of engine.
It's all about personal preference
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Thu, 18 November 2004 23:13
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| Toycrash wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 20:31 |
If you are going Beams and NA with stock ECU, Engine wiring can be tricky...
Unless someone here can get you Altezza wiring diagrams.
With turbo setup you could go carburated and fit solid cam gears.. Still you need programmable ignition for it.
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I wonder if someone could also do a pushrod conversion for you? Preferably with a single valve, non cross flow head.
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Thu, 18 November 2004 23:33
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| Alchemist wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 22:09 |
The Beams that RedMad2 MR2 is looking at in CVAP is a half cut, and for $3800 that's a bargin. There is the Red Top BEAMs 200hp, which is a high revving smooth bundle of fun engine, loom, ECU, rear suspension & brakes. It's a friggin bargin! I almost bought it except I dont have the $$$ required for the labour, so I had to let it slide.
For you with an existing 1998 3SGE you've already got 180ps & 142lb Torque @ 4200RPM, which is a damn site better than my 91 3SGE with only 152ps & 137lb @ 4800
Mr Beams 3S-GE not only offers you VVTi but 200ps and more torque fun with 152lb @ 6000RPM. You get more revs for your buck. It's be an awesome car for twisties and track days, straight lines though you couldn't argue with the 3S-GTE with 255ps & 225lb @ 4000 RPM.
You'd definately notice a difference going up to the beams, but with the $6000 or so it'd cost you by the time you throw labour is, is it worth it.
If I had $6000 I'd be doing the conversion today, but I've more to gain(50HP instead of 20) from the beams than you. It'd be cheaper to insure, and as far as I could gather in NSW you probably wouldn't have to get it engineered, as it's the same capacity and family of engine.
It's all about personal preference
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thx for these details!!!
i didnt know that coversion + the engin will cost that much....
i thought i can get it done with 4K.......damn
then i will just leave it and stick with my orginal 3sge then...
but gee..........i really wanna get that BEAMS half cut.......
its really tempting me with 3.8K to get those....
but still........after got the half cut........no money pay for the labour........do u guys think i can do it by myself??
but i know nothing about those conversion.......haha
damn.....
anywayz ...thx guys!
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Fri, 19 November 2004 05:13
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| mrshin wrote on Fri, 19 November 2004 10:13 |
| Toycrash wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 20:31 |
If you are going Beams and NA with stock ECU, Engine wiring can be tricky...
Unless someone here can get you Altezza wiring diagrams.
With turbo setup you could go carburated and fit solid cam gears.. Still you need programmable ignition for it.
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I wonder if someone could also do a pushrod conversion for you? Preferably with a single valve, non cross flow head.
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What's your problem dude  Got wiring diagram for Beams and you can prolly wire it to run? If so leave the bull shit and let us know how..
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Fri, 19 November 2004 05:50
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| Alchemist wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 22:09 |
as far as I could gather in NSW you probably wouldn't have to get it engineered, as it's the same capacity and family of engine.
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I just got mine engineered and yes you would have to get it looked over by an engineer. If you've switched engines over (or even blocks), the engine number would change. That's one of the key reasons mine was engineered. Otherwise if the cops or a Vehicle inspection unit (courtesy of the RTA) has a look at your engine bay and sees that the engine numbers don't correspond to the VIN when built, you're gone. Even though it's the same capacity and engine family (a-la my old 3S-FE and the rebuilt 3S-GTE), etc. it still has to be engineered, or at least blue-slipped to update the details of your vehicle with the RTA.
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Fri, 19 November 2004 05:53
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your car would have had to be engineered anyway because of the addition forced induction
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Fri, 19 November 2004 06:21
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if you say yours is a 98 motor car the wiring will just plug straight as they came out in the last 6 months in the sw20 any way and you can sell your motor most likely for about 1200 aus anyway
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Re: Worth to get BEAMS VVTi 3sge?! or just get the turbo 3sgte?!
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Sun, 21 November 2004 22:18
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| CelicaRA45 wrote on Fri, 19 November 2004 17:21 |
if you say yours is a 98 motor car the wiring will just plug straight as they came out in the last 6 months in the sw20 any way and you can sell your motor most likely for about 1200 aus anyway
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i can sell my motor for 1200........that's cool........
where should i sell it to?!?!
do u think those wracker would like to buy that?!?!
thx guys!
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