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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Fri, 03 December 2004 09:59
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When is this thing going to be ready?
Looks mad.
Does anyone know who owns it and what sate it is in now?
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
Registered:
January 2004
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Fri, 03 December 2004 12:52
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Location:
Sydney
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May 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Fri, 03 December 2004 14:50
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nice body
shit engine
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Location:
Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 01:35
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Shit engine??
Why cause its not a Toyota.
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Location:
Ballarat, Vic.
Registered:
September 2002
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 02:28
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indeed!
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Location:
sydney
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March 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 03:06
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puttin an sr is best thing u can do to a sprinter 
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I supported Toymods
Location:
sydney.au
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August 2002
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth, WA
Registered:
May 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 03:23
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true
lol @ people who loves their sr's
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Location:
Adelaide
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August 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 03:28
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I wonder if those seats are staying? 
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Location:
Newcastle
Registered:
June 2004
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 05:54
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SR20 would be awesome with the right setting.
Doesn't have to be a 4A... every fucken time. Would get very boring.
I recntly saw a video from japan with a 20B single turbo AE86 that had 600ps.
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 05:56
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Modified firewall engine very far back compared to any toyota engine placed into a ae86 that i have seen , gearbox/shifter housed to get the correct tailshaft alignment . Just the bare basics to run the engine in the bay , light weight materials used , i would have to say it way lighter than what you think .
And just look at more manufactures , there all going for 53/47 or greater in front engined rear wheel drives . There all moving away from 50/50 weight split for better steering feel and more constant weight shift loads to control the car . With out having that vage unweighted feeling until the wheel is corner loaded .
Also i see nobody spotted the fact that it looks to have no rear shocks ? Might be irs converted as well ?
That might be the fastest ae86 in this country for sure depending on other areas of the conversion
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I supported Toymods
Location:
sydney.au
Registered:
August 2002
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 06:09
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woah
IRS? u think? if it is its going to be a very nice car.
my bet is that its just rolling shell at the moment tho.
i se your point about the weight dist adam, but with the ae86 and its special w.dist, a heavy front engine is going to produce even more understeer is it not? i understand the sr is moved back on the chassis with the GB, but still?
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Location:
Newcastle
Registered:
June 2004
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 06:46
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I'm sure the roll cage would help with the weight balance.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
fairfield NSW
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 06:52
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didnt someone say once b4 that the sr20det and 4age are around the same weight as the sr20 block was alloy?
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Location:
Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 08:59
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Dunno, but the SR20 isn't that heavy. Not as heavy as you would think anyway.
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Location:
brisbane
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August 2004
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
Registered:
December 2003
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 11:09
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Adding weight to the front end , if only a small amount seems to get far greater turn in grip than stock weight level if the weight is correctly positioned lower and the suspension revised accordingly .
I have the problem that there is no under-steer , as fast as you can turn the wheel the car turns in . Its the rear which up have to worry about exiting corners applying hundreds of newton meters of torque . The result has be in my car ,turn-in even in the wet feels much more solid {like a german car} than the stocker daily driver ae86 . But i have added camber and caster , plus relocated arm locations for more camber scrub ,extra car width and wheel base , and less turns lock to lock , and more lock . So i cannot really comment on just dropping in the engine without all the other modification for safe traveling at speed .
Even travelling in friends ae86s with all the normal toyota modified suspension like trd etc there seems to understeer much greater than weight transfer to large amounts of oversteer . Might be fun be sure isnt fast , a neutral handling ae86 will always have a much higher cornering speed , as a lotus elise driver at Sandown found out going around the outside of him at turn 6-7 pushing 160-180ks mid corner .
See you next weekend Garth , then you might understand the level of modifications that these other sr20/ca18 ae86s will need to handle . And i still havent finished the next stage , multi link rear suspension .
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I supported Toymods
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sydney.au
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August 2002
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 11:45
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| improvedae86 wrote on Sat, 04 December 2004 22:09 |
Adding weight to the front end , if only a small amount seems to get far greater turn in grip than stock weight level if the weight is correctly positioned lower and the suspension revised accordingly .
I have the problem that there is no under-steer , as fast as you can turn the wheel the car turns in . Its the rear which up have to worry about exiting corners applying hundreds of newton meters of torque . The result has be in my car ,turn-in even in the wet feels much more solid {like a german car} than the stocker daily driver ae86 . But i have added camber and caster , plus relocated arm locations for more camber scrub ,extra car width and wheel base , and less turns lock to lock , and more lock . So i cannot really comment on just dropping in the engine without all the other modification for safe traveling at speed .
Even travelling in friends ae86s with all the normal toyota modified suspension like trd etc there seems to understeer much greater than weight transfer to large amounts of oversteer . Might be fun be sure isnt fast , a neutral handling ae86 will always have a much higher cornering speed , as a lotus elise driver at Sandown found out going around the outside of him at turn 6-7 pushing 160-180ks mid corner .
See you next weekend Garth , then you might understand the level of modifications that these other sr20/ca18 ae86s will need to handle . And i still havent finished the next stage , multi link rear suspension .
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so what your saying is that to run an sr20/ca18 powered car properly as you are doing/have done requires a lot of modification as to the cars original chassis design and suspension setup. i agree.
i agree that centering the added weight of an SR20 in the front at a lower centre of gravity would help the cars general 'skittery' feel at turn in. i too have found that with the 'tuned toyota' setup that the car tends to 'skate' at initial turn in with the light weight of the 4age. but that said, a sr20 just 'dropped in' with no suspension mods to accomodate the extra torque/weight will handle worse in the long run. i think you agree from what you said.
i also couldnt agree more about the neutral handling ae86 comment, oversteer setup is showy and fun but certainly not fast. i have found that the people who ride passenger in my car are astonished on how solid she feels, especially in the wet, on hard corners, even with the 2 way lsd in, the car doesnt seem to be 'on knifes edge' as most cars would be in that hard susp. setup. But, that said, i havent even come close to the amount of modification you have done to your ae86. so i can understand how much the chassis has to offer in that respect.
nice comment about the elise, that car has a serious lack of power though.
next weekend we will surely be having a chat about your car and dont worry, i fully understand the level of modification required to run an SR20/CA18 in an AE86 and that in itself is my whole point.
as for IRS setup, are you going to utilise the hot staff irs 'cage' bracket mount? or otherwise?
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Sat, 04 December 2004 14:05
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the elise 220 isnt a slow car , its power to weight ratio is very good {i think its 700kg to 220hp ?} and looks crap in orange too .
As for the hot staff one , to me it really is pointless changing a multi link , back to a double wishbone set up ? why not just make a double wishbone set up to start with ? There tons of cad programs to work out all the requirements . I just dont see the reason behind the hot staff one ? its solidly mounted for a start so could never really benifit a large torque loading or to add a better ride to a road car .
I want to build it using as cheap as parts as i can find like the rest of the car , also parts which are available everywhere . And make it bolt on with no modification to the body like everything else so it can be easly transfered to another shell if required . Also will make it easier to do again to another car if required to . I cannot wait till i take next year off to finish some of these conversion i have been wanting to do .
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Location:
NSW Engadine
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June 2003
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Mon, 06 December 2004 08:29
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I dont even come close to beleiving that, that's saying that a 4AGE weighs more than an SR20, what a complete load of crap.
I wish someone could produce some real weight figures for the long motors with everything attached
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Location:
NSW Engadine
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June 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Mon, 06 December 2004 09:00
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i said 9kg more... SR20 gearboxes are much lighter then T50 gearboxes anyway
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Mon, 06 December 2004 09:06
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no way in hell, I have moved them both around multiple times and the T-50 would have to weigh only just over half of a gearbox thats meant to be behind an SR-20det, even SR-20 N/A box is heaps more.
Somebody else want to confirm this?
I have a dry T-50 laying around which I could weigh, I also have 2 4AGEs and my mates SR20 handy but no way to weigh them.
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Location:
Toronto, Downtown
Registered:
September 2004
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Location:
S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Mon, 06 December 2004 10:24
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apparently its heavier but I can't say for sure. I know one thing for sure though, the SR-20 dwarfs the 4age in terms of physical size, which would explain the weight difference
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Location:
NSW Engadine
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June 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Mon, 06 December 2004 10:28
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Im sure option garage have no idea what they are doing...
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Location:
NSW Engadine
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June 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Mon, 06 December 2004 10:44
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All my information is from HPi Issue 42... I am not making anything up...
It makes several direct quotes about the 430ps AE86
"the handy thing about the SR20, is that being all alloy it weighs little more than the 4AGE"
And about the handling... this car was set up for track use and set for understeering characteristics
"the car is still very strong on oversteer, even with its 10" wide tyres"
Remember guys, I have never doubted your knowledge in all things AE86 and 4AGE but you need to realise that not everyone is a doctorate of physics, or an automotive engineer...
I know that I am in no way any sort of vehicle technician... I based my info from a magazine, If it is biased and I have made un appropriate comments I apologise...
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Mon, 06 December 2004 12:02
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79rollaboy
You can also see that ae86 on one of there dvd's with in car , sliding allover the track , it cannot even keep up with the civic infront though corners . Must be a drift set up which , or a normal rock hard jap track set up with no mechanical grip at all . I was hoping that car would have been more special , but wasn't .
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I supported Toymods
Location:
sydney.au
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August 2002
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Mon, 06 December 2004 12:18
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english adam, english.
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ADELAIDE - The Drift City
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July 2002
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Re: Sweet SR20DET AE86 on option 1 garage.
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Mon, 06 December 2004 13:38
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the gage adam mention the cage
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