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Mon, 13 December 2004 08:37
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i am going for an apprenticeship and i have to take a drug test and i think i will return postive as normally on weekends i smoke weed. is there anyway to pass the test and still keep smokin?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 08:41
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what kind of apprenticeship requires a drug test?!?
if you stop smoking for a couple of months, the thc will be out of your system. not sure how long it takes to get out of your blood.. but I know it stays in tissue/marrow for ages
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Mon, 13 December 2004 08:44
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its an electrical apprenticeship the test is in 2 weeks though so i need a quick fix
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Mon, 13 December 2004 08:49
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wouldnt have a clue how to get rid of it...
I know it stays in your tissue for 3-6months 
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Mon, 13 December 2004 08:51
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might be worth asking dave or ed, our resident doctors.
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Mon, 13 December 2004 08:52
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who r they? r they on now?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 08:53
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giantomato and ed_ma61
ed's a recluse these days - probably avoiding me becuase he still owes me a wheel.
Dave's always around... hunting for porn last I saw
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Mon, 13 December 2004 08:58
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I'm pretty sure drug tests screen for metabolites of cannabinoids. There would be alot of info on the net I think, about what you can do about it. At a guess, i'd say stop smoking, and do excercise. Also, i've heard that any medication containing ibuprofin can cause a false positive, so if you can convince them that ibuprofin resulted in the original result, you may be able to buy some time with a re-test.
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Mon, 13 December 2004 09:32
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I thought this was going to be about the new random drug testing introduced in Victoria 
On that topic, I heard on the radio that they caught someone within the first 15 minutes  Apparently the fourth guy they tested returned a positive sample for speed/amphetamines...
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Mon, 13 December 2004 09:41
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yeh i reckon the random drug testing is one of the best ideas they've come up with in a long while...well done 
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Mon, 13 December 2004 10:53
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| mxchris69 wrote on Mon, 13 December 2004 19:37 |
Is there anyway to pass the test and still keep smokin?
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In short, no.
If you abstained for 3 weeks, you might turn up a negative result. Tetrahydrocannibinol, the active constituent of marijuana, is what is tested for, and this is highly lipophilic, meaning it will sit in your fat stores for ages and not be cleared rapidly. A urine test will be looking for metabolites of cannibinoids.
You could do a Warney and drink stacks of fluid and take a dose of diuretic, but if a job was riding on it, I'd stay off the wacky tabbacky.
[Updated on: Mon, 13 December 2004 11:07]
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Mon, 13 December 2004 11:45
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go on a burbon and rum binge in the days preceeding the test so you're sweating that revolting sour/molasses smell - then come day of test, tell them you're best mate is getting married and you've spent the past 5 days taking him to strip joints - you should have a healthy BaC (e.g. >0.08 would be a good start), you'll smell like a brewery and any resident THC you can blame on a stripper who blew off your mate and made you hold her cigarette....
oh yeah - stop smokin' right now, take up drinking water as a hobby and go jogging.
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Mon, 13 December 2004 16:32
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if it's a urine test, you could always get someone elses 
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Mon, 13 December 2004 18:13
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| thechuckster wrote on Mon, 13 December 2004 22:45 |
.....you'll smell like a brewery and any resident THC you can blame on a stripper who blew off your mate and made you hold her cigarette....
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A one off passive smoking incident (eg marijuana virgin locked in a room of smokers) should render you clear in a few days. The dose of THC inhaled would be small (second hand smoke with some of the THC already absorbed out of it and there is significant dilution with room air), and there would be no previous storage of cannabinoids in fat to worry about.
The biggest problem with chronic use and passing a drug screen is the saturation of fat stores with THC that has occurred with prolonged use and waiting for that all of that stored THC to clear. As a chronic user, you are probably using using quite potent weed, with a relatively high dose of THC compared to the run of the mill stuff so your stores will be highly saturated.
If they're really suspicious, they'll do a hair test. Besides, do you really want to be drug fucked when working with high voltages? Let's not forget the adynamism chronic use causes and the very strong association with schizophrenia (chronic users are 6 times more likely to develop schizophrenia than non users).
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Mon, 13 December 2004 19:23
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and I've seen the results of that first hand - 2 of my patients at the moment are under 28 and have developed prolonged psychosis from smoking pot - whole life gone
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Mon, 13 December 2004 21:13
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| jackel wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 03:32 |
if it's a urine test, you could always get someone elses
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finally someone offering some genuine options for our doobie brother friend here
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Mon, 13 December 2004 21:47
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You could get a life and not touch the shit 
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Mon, 13 December 2004 22:12
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| toof wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 08:13 |
finally someone offering some genuine options for our doobie brother friend here
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Someone I worked with had regular drug screening as part of a community based order for some naughtiness he engaged in. The collection was supervised - not really an option.
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Mon, 13 December 2004 23:11
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What if you explain to them that you have in the past smoked cannibas, and are willing to be retested after a period of time to show a williingness to abstain.
regards tony
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Mon, 13 December 2004 23:36
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what about a Bribe?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 23:44
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yeh get off the shit,i was a heavy smoker for about 10 years and i still think im a chicken..im a chicken marge
But seriously it doesnt take long with some people and the effects of psychosis are so progressive that most times you can hardly tell. Some of my mates are fukked up and Id like to stop thinking all the fukkn time but In regards to your test there doesnt seem to be any options apart from not smokin and trying to flush your system out.I think you would have the best luck with approaching the decision maker explaining there is a high chance of returning a posative test but explainiing that you are comfortable with reguler tests to show you have changed ur wikkid ways...If we had the same policy and one of my team did that id pull some strings to keep them onboard.just my 2c
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Tue, 14 December 2004 01:34
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| draven wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 06:23 |
and I've seen the results of that first hand - 2 of my patients at the moment are under 28 and have developed prolonged psychosis from smoking pot - whole life gone
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i understand perfectly what you're getting at here, draven, and your point is valid, but i think you would know as well as i do that there is often a whole lot more to developing these sorts of disorders than just being a regular cannabis smoker...
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Tue, 14 December 2004 04:10
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| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 14:36 |
EDIT: Hi Ed. Where the fuck have you been?
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in the ED working silly hours 
the rest of the time chasing the tail of a certain Deutsch senior elective student... hubba hubba...
on topic - i CBF looking it up, but theres a new cochrane paper out this year with pretty poor stats on THC --> Psychosis
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Tue, 14 December 2004 04:29
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a little off topic here.
Victorian drug test for road users. how do they test? will i still be screwed if i had weed say 3 days b4 the road side test?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 04:55
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| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 14:36 |
Unfortunately, it doesn't get around the sad statistic that chronic users are six times more likely to develop schizophrenia than non users. With that alarming statistic out there, it would be negligent to not make it public knowledge.
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i agree.
it would also be negligent not to mention the correlations between the development of psychosis and genetic redisposition... or the influence of trauma (especially during childhood, which could itself be associated with mental health problems and drug abuse), as well as innumerable environmental variables.
my apologies for this being a bit off-topic, but anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of the state of mental health in Australia should realise this; despite the best efforts of many people, we are poorly neglecting the individuals living with these conditions, and labelling them as predominantly chronic drug users (past or present) without mention of any other potential causes, only serves to further devalue these troubled lives.
on topic... drink water, exercise, and a couple of massages might help... but i'd say time is your only real friend... your body will get rid of it as quick as it can.
best of luck with the job. 
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Tue, 14 December 2004 04:59
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thank you for the link, gt. interesting stuff.
anybody have any idea why they have left opiates out of their new testing regime? to difficult to test for, maybe???
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Tue, 14 December 2004 05:04
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id love to know what data there is to suggest that reduction of these kinds of drug use in drivers will amount in a lower road toll or incident rate. does the financial outlay and resources justify the outcome? money better spent elsewhere? or is this just another drugs bandwagon??
thoughts?
PS - i refuse to be baited on THC/Psychosis hypothesis
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Tue, 14 December 2004 05:13
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dude last medical i went for and all the medicals before that they give you a cup tell you to take it in the toilet and give a urine sample so just take someone elses piss with you and all will be sweet
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Tue, 14 December 2004 05:33
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lol just done use a pregnant friend
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Tue, 14 December 2004 05:44
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| krazy wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 15:43 |
dude last medical i went for and all the medicals before that they give you a cup tell you to take it in the toilet and give a urine sample so just take someone elses piss with you and all will be sweet
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This is true, for a work medical conducted at your local medical centre you will be asked to piss in the cup behind closed doors so a concealed bag of urine my assist in acheiving a "pass" result.
It may be a good opportunity whilst you are hurridly fumbling with a warm bag of someone else's urine in a toilet cubicle to re-examine the choice of lifestyle that led you to this situation.
The time may be ripe to give up the weekends spent on the bong wasting time and either do something more personally fulfilling or alternatively chose a drug you can metabolise much faster such as methylenedioxymethamphetamine.
Interestingly the shift within the defence forces to perform random drug tests has almost eliminated use of cannabis - and replaced it with faster metabolising but socially "harder" drugs!
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Tue, 14 December 2004 06:21
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well, the thc-psychosis hypothesius is just that. A bunch of correlation, with pretty much zero causality. Besides which, there's better places to discuss what will be a rather in-depth topic
ps Ed - I'm not fussed - giving away my firstborn for some 3-piece mags soon. pps - I have a real job in mental health.
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Tue, 14 December 2004 06:22
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do you wana get high like a high nigga pie
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Tue, 14 December 2004 06:41
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| nick2b wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 16:22 |
do you wana get high like a high nigga pie
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WTF?
or is this some musical joke that i'm missing?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 06:46
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i guess you missing the musical joke
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Tue, 14 December 2004 07:09
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| b1gb3n wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 15:29 |
a little off topic here.
Victorian drug test for road users. how do they test? will i still be screwed if i had weed say 3 days b4 the road side test?
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Haven't been bothered to see if this has been answered.
It's a saliva test: you lick, wait 5 minutes and you're either in trouble or you're not.
I don't see why they should have amphetamines testing. Weed testing I agree with.
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Tue, 14 December 2004 07:12
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| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 17:51 |
"all other things being equal."
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CETERUS PARIBUS
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This was done with Microsoft FrontPage
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Tue, 14 December 2004 07:43
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what i have to say is, why are you wasting time smoking the bong, sitting on a counch giggling like a retard watching TV half of your life, when you could be outside doing something more productive, less expensive and better for you..... and then you wouldn't have this problem
off topic now....
ed, i have VERY strong feeling of agreement with the point you make about the "correlation" made between such drug use and their impact on driver's abilities and ultimately the road toll. It angers me that they can lay such blanket claims and have them accepted when it comes to the roads, yet on the other hand they are totally ignored when it comes to mental health issues etc.
I refer specifically to canabannoids. Amphetammines in my mind are far less impactful on the human body and mind, i think that the general populus has it all backwards with their views towards cannabis being a "soft" drug, and amphetammines being such a "hard, bad, naughty naughty" drug which will kill you the instant you touch them, or intantly turn you into an addict living in a gutter with a needle hanging out your arm.
All because of those goddam hippies and the 70s. One day in the future it will all turn, and pot will be the hard drug i think.....
i have to go home now.
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Tue, 14 December 2004 07:51
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| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 17:51 |
"all other things being equal."
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... so being a twin can suck big-time - especially if one's a smoker?
but being a twin with hippie parents makes it all so much worse...
(i'm not a twin btw).
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Actually, amphetamines also have have serious short and long term implications.
The acute effects are potentially dangerous. Generally they cause a feeling of invincibilty/immortality, which can lead to increased risk taking behaviour - not so good if your spatial judgement is impaired by said drug. Let's not forget the short term cardiovascular effects - I remember seeing an 18 yo girl in ED about 7 years ago after taking some speed. The increase in blood pressure blew an aneurysm and she bled into her brain, with devastating results.
Long term amphetamine abuse results in an amphetamine induced psychosis almost indistinguishable from schizophrenia (except that it goes away after you stop doing speed).
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Tue, 14 December 2004 10:01
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| b1gb3n wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 15:29 |
a little off topic here.
Victorian drug test for road users. how do they test? will i still be screwed if i had weed say 3 days b4 the road side test?
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I don't see why they should have amphetamines testing. Weed testing I agree with.
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What about the truckies driving on amphetamines
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Tue, 14 December 2004 10:14
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weed is legal in some countries. there are lots of articles on the net supporting legalisation of weed (did assignment on it b4)
last i checked, there is no sound evidence that marijuana has long term effect on ppl. but still, shouldnt be used while driving for most ppl.
has there been statistics anywhere showing the number of stoners causing accident? when stoned, u will be too lazy to get ur butt off the couch to drive unless u go out of munchies
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Tue, 14 December 2004 10:28
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if its a done by a mouth swab then just get so stoned that you have no saliva! 
(not my material  )
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Tue, 14 December 2004 10:30
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i think you all need to sit down round a camp fire and pass a few big scoobs around, have a few and relax...
here have mine.
mxchris69, last time i did a test for a mines medical it was supervised. i advise against trying to use someone elses piss.
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Tue, 14 December 2004 11:05
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long story cut short...
y spend money on shit like weed when u can spend it on ur car
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| b1gb3n wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 21:14 |
weed is legal in some countries. there are lots of articles on the net supporting legalisation of weed (did assignment on it b4)
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well, i stand corrected
meanwhile - dave, we had a 27yo come in the other week suffereing 'red mitsubishi' sydndrome. acutely psychotic, and aggitated off the scale. 40mg propofol didnt touch her, forget the midaz, we had to sux and tube her...
but i still stand by the general statement that pot is, if not 'worse' a far far more 'complex' drug than people consider (even those whove done some internet 'research')
*shrugs*
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Tue, 14 December 2004 13:22
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Not sure if anybody caught it but an excellent documentary on marijuana just finished on SBS.....
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Tue, 14 December 2004 15:12
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| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 17:51 |
| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 14:36 |
....chronic users are six times more likely to develop schizophrenia than non users....
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Just to satisfy you Norminator, add this qualifier:
"all other things being equal."
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very kind of you, gt, but i think we're actually in almost total agreement with our respective opinions. my point was, that there are many factors involved in this, and many of these are equally poorly researched. you pointed this out, also. so, we're left to draw assumptions... as you know, if we're up for waiting on "100% concordance," then we're up for a damn long wait. this, however, does not afford us the luxury of taking our assumptions as fact.
as for "potentially modifiable risk factors," you're right that we can't do a lot about our genetics, but i am of the opinion that psychological/physical abuse, and many other possible environmental variables are very modifiable, just like smoking pot is. and i will reiterate, there is a lot more to developing schizophrenia than just genetics, or just smoking pot, or even genetics and smoking pot in combination. all we've done here is establish that pot can be part of the problem, and genetic material can be part of the problem... we still do not understand the problem all that well.
perhaps the predisposition for schizophrenia is the reason they smoke pot? i'm not saying this is what i beleive, but i'm trying to get across to you that this is a supremely complex problem, and not something that can be brought back to the "lowest common denominator" (not a denominator that we are aware of at this stage). i think you know this already, anyway.
and if you think a few hours in the Emergency Department with someone suffering mental illness is taxing, try living with one of these amazing individuals for a few years... i hope the medical profession isn't too conceited to recognise the vast experience and knowledge harboured with the loved ones of people living with this type of condition?
and once again, thank you for the links, gt. it's a great site for anyone wishing to learn about schizophrenia.
definitely the most interesting thread i have read on toymods for a long time.
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| THE WITZL wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 18:13 |
what i have to say is, why are you wasting time smoking the bong, sitting on a counch giggling like a retard watching TV half of your life, when you could be outside doing something more productive, less expensive and better for you..... and then you wouldn't have this problem
off topic now....
ed, i have VERY strong feeling of agreement with the point you make about the "correlation" made between such drug use and their impact on driver's abilities and ultimately the road toll. It angers me that they can lay such blanket claims and have them accepted when it comes to the roads, yet on the other hand they are totally ignored when it comes to mental health issues etc.
I refer specifically to canabannoids. Amphetammines in my mind are far less impactful on the human body and mind, i think that the general populus has it all backwards with their views towards cannabis being a "soft" drug, and amphetammines being such a "hard, bad, naughty naughty" drug which will kill you the instant you touch them, or intantly turn you into an addict living in a gutter with a needle hanging out your arm.
All because of those goddam hippies and the 70s. One day in the future it will all turn, and pot will be the hard drug i think.....
i have to go home now.
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Agree with the witzl on the pot statements however the implication that amphetamines are a less serious/safer drug is not exactly true. Amphetamines are addicitive (even if just "physcologically addictive") and use can become heavier and heavier until the paranoia/psychosis sets in. And if you start injecting them... I have an older sibling who's wasted a heap of his life on intavenous amphetamine abuse (with the physical side effects including being shot through the knees by a paranoid associate). Funnily enough he drives trucks for a living (or used to until he was shot). I'm not saying they're not fun to do - just ensure you don't end up taking them to wake up in the mornings before work.
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Tue, 14 December 2004 22:41
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weed is legal in some countries. there are lots of articles on the net supporting legalisation of weed
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The decriminalization/legalization of marijuana is a whole different kettle of fish and has little/nothing to do with how 'safe' the drug might be. It's more about freeing up court time.
Alcohol and cigarettes are perfect examples of legal agents that carry far ranging physical and social health problems.
Ed, we probably got a 'red mitsu' 2 Sundays ago. She had a fit soon after dropping then had post ictal confusion such that she needed intubation and 36 hours of sedation - morph and midaz infusions at 10mg/hr (each) and propofol 350 mg/hr initially but gradually weaned that back. She might have weighed 45 kg dripping wet. The ED started a clonazepam infusion as well at 3mg/hr (which I stopped). Even after 36 hours, she woke with a bang. I elected to extubate her anyway and filled her with her usual methadone, and a big whack of diazepam and clonidine. She was quiet for the rest of the night. When she re-emerged the next morning she was a sweet thing. Go figure.
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Re: drug tests
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Wed, 15 December 2004 02:54
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Chris,
the electrical apprenticeship, is it the company that gets you to do a pre employment course first. I had a friend do it last year. he said that since you get warned at the start about the urine drug test during the medical if your selected for employment.
to beat the system don't smoke the pot while your on the course, it runs for how long, then they still might not interview you the week you finish, either way don't have any for 6 weeks and you should be smelling sweet......
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Re: drug tests
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Wed, 15 December 2004 03:34
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its all pretty scary,I think our generation will be the worst mentally effected generation of all,,with the take off of the rave culture and extacy etc. i dont know many people I grew up with that arent at some level of psychosis,when i got into it,going to raves at 15 I was the only one in my area to be doing somthing outside of pot,by 19 I was over it but all those ppl who said theyd never touch the shit then have gone off on the shit and still are 10 years on.On the topic of pot I think we really underestimate how bad the drug is,with hydroponics and the methods used to grow the shit it becomes a type of amphetamine anyway,I have heard of people who grow commercial quantities not touching their own crops for the market but growing a seperate more natural type crop for themselves..I also thik marijane is highly responsible for our exceptionally high teenage suicide rate,all in all im glad to be off the shit and to have gone through it early,although im not looking forward to my last 20-30 years,as who knows what might happen 
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: drug tests
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Wed, 15 December 2004 03:48
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The main problems as I see it:
-I think that certain people are predisposed to having chronic negative effects from drugs.
-Other people do not know when enough is enough and push their bodies to the limit and or take extremely high doses.
It is these people that stuff things up for the rest of us because it is these people that get noticed... not your occasional user.
Unfortunately it is the occasional user that will most likely get stuffed up by these new random drug tests.
Remember the people who are going to far with their drugs would have been caught out by the cops if they had been pulled over for any reason... because you can visibly see that their off their chops.
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