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December 2004
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20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Sun, 12 December 2004 18:56
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hey im just wondering what type of engine swap would be better to put in a ae86 the 20v or a late mdl supra engine the 1jz
thanks. -aleks
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Sun, 12 December 2004 23:23
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do you plan on handling?
if so, go the 20v.
A 1j would be way too heavy in the front end and reduce the reason why people buy the car in the 1st place...
alternative to a 1j, the 1g should weigh a little less if you still want that turbo performance.
what about a 4agze?
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Location:
Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 00:31
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1J single turbo
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Location:
sydney
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June 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 02:02
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1J single turbo
i got one in my soarer ..the car weighs 1600kgs and its still a jet
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 02:09
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apples...
no wait oranges 
I agree with Jag.
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Location:
Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 02:45
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Cornering (and stopping) is over-rated. You need all out power to beat someone off the lights.
1J all the way.
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Location:
Campbelltown, NSW
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November 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 09:20
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ahahah who needs to turn when ur car goes WWWHHHHAAAAAA TTSSSHH
nah strap in a 4agze rip of that supercharger and bolt on a monster turbo, HUGE front mount aswell 
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May 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 09:54
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| Nolan wrote on Mon, 13 December 2004 20:20 |
ahahah who needs to turn when ur car goes WWWHHHHAAAAAA TTSSSHH
nah strap in a 4agze rip of that supercharger and bolt on a monster turbo, HUGE front mount aswell
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yup
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 22:43
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| Nolan wrote on Mon, 13 December 2004 20:20 |
nah strap in a 4agze rip of that supercharger and bolt on a monster turbo, HUGE front mount aswell
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1J single turbo would still beat it.
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Location:
Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 23:10
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3SGTE  or the 4AGTE.
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Location:
Sydney
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February 2003
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 00:03
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jeezus talk about chalk and cheese.
you could put 3 20v's in for the price of the 1j
that said, do a vvti single turbo 1j
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Location:
perth
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October 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 01:22
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hey sorry if this is bad to post another sites web adress but go to club4ag.com there is quite a bit of info on there about this kind of thing. try searching first to avoid unnescessary flaming. from what ive read you would be better going with a 20V if u want a much more straight forwqard swap. a 20v can use same or similar engine mounts etc because it still has the 4A block. the 1j is a inline 6 so there could be length and clearance issues that would need to addressed. also you do need handleing because what if uve just done that drag off the lights and then a corner cums up. gotta turn
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Location:
perth
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October 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 01:25
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or try "How to install a 20v in RWD trim properly.pdf" in the tech section
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Location:
Perth
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October 2003
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Location:
Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 05:17
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I have a complete 20v for sale at $600.. its a little expensive but well worth it.
Cheers (mobile number is in my sig)
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 11:57
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This is the most retarded question I've heard in a while. It's a bit like comparing a lawnmower engine to a Cummins diesel... could they be any more different??
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 13:09
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Rex is somewhat dumbfounded as to the reasons why people automatically decide to bin the 4AGZE's supercahrger. It's as if it is a bad thing. Do they feel that the S/C is ghey wif teh aids or it the bling factor of having a turbocharger?
He knows that people will argue power and efficiency as if it is pre-programmed into them. But he advises them not to simply follow the crowd. To a point there is nothing wrong with the S/C, it offers a seam of torque few other small capacity engines can.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
July 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Wed, 15 December 2004 02:22
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So rex what you are trying to say is that you would rather a 4AGZE than a 4AGTE?
the simple fact that more power is attainable with the turbo means nothing too you?
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I supported Toymods
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Location:
Brisbane, Queensland
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Wed, 15 December 2004 02:25
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MR 1GGTE
| Rex_Kelway wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 23:09 |
He knows that people will argue power and efficiency as if it is pre-programmed into them.
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Why do people HAVE to throw the S/C away and turbo the engine? It's good to begin with....
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Wed, 15 December 2004 02:28
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I want rex's opinion on the matter...
I dont plan to own either I would just like to know why he thinks the SC is better for the 4A.
personally the only advantage i can see, is the more linear power curve? are there more?
enlighten me, i yearn to learn 
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
July 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Wed, 15 December 2004 02:28
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Oh BTW go teh 1JZ single turbo, who needs to turn when you have 450hp
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Wed, 15 December 2004 03:16
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If I remember correctly rex was building a 4agte of his own.
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Wed, 15 December 2004 03:41
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I think it all comes down to the individual.. theres nothing wrong with a 4agze'd car though
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Location:
Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Thu, 16 December 2004 04:51
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maybe for a power mod you could use a 1g s/c ???
there is a massive chance it won't work but it was just an idea i had floating about
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May 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Thu, 16 December 2004 05:25
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Depends on what driving style you're after. If you like high revving, hills thrashing, traffic maneuvering and plenty of side ways potential, then a turbo'd 4A would be a great example. If you want an in-line sideways launcher with plenty of torque, and yet with plenty of revving capabilities, then the 1JZ is a great option too.
IMO i believe two thinks are important here; 1. What driving style would you lean towards and 2. What's your budget? You say now i want huge HP in a small car, but when you go sideways everytime you push that pedal, it can be frustrating.
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Location:
brisbane
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December 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Thu, 16 December 2004 07:19
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haha strap on a huge turbo.. wat would be the point of that take all day for the 1.6 to spool it up lol
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Location:
Melb
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Fri, 17 December 2004 03:34
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what about the 1ggte into a sprinter will that be of better handling than a 1jz dose anyone know a site where with spec of engine weight
thanks
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
Registered:
October 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Fri, 17 December 2004 06:38
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if you search here or on google I am sure you will find the weights. I think the 1j is a little heavier than 1g. They are very similar materials used but 1j is a bit longer. Not sure about height though. I wouldn't think either would give a very good weigh distribution in an ae86.
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Fri, 17 December 2004 06:55
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I would go 4agte before 1ggte
Also as other others have said...20v vs 1j, totally different engines and in an ae86 would serve totally different purposes.
20v is more of an ae86 purists motor. Dont have to worry about gbox or diff's, N/A Roar, easier to make the car handle well with better weight dist.
1j lots of power on tap at a cost, puts more weight up the front. Needs a beefy diff, power, torque, lots of custom fabrication, need to play with suspension more for it to handle well.
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Location:
adelaide
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October 2003
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Tue, 21 December 2004 07:43
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3sgte , better power then 4a lighter then 1g . fairly cheap too.
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Tue, 21 December 2004 07:54
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| 73ke25 wrote on Tue, 21 December 2004 18:43 |
3sgte , better power then 4a lighter then 1g . fairly cheap too.
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spoken like a guy who knows everything.
anyone thinking of using a 3s-gte in a rwd application, speak to shane (cool1) about the costs and hassles involved.
this is a GREAT option in terms of reliability and potential and weight distribution, but it is not cheap at all.
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Banned by his request
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moved to tamworth
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July 2002
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Wed, 22 December 2004 08:07
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ca18det!
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I supported Toymods
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Brisbane
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September 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Wed, 22 December 2004 08:44
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1GZ-FE TTTT ofcourse.
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I supported Toymods
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July 2004
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Re: 20v or a 1jz single turbo?
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Wed, 22 December 2004 23:18
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| peeack wrote on Wed, 22 December 2004 19:14 |
1GZ-FE TTTT ofcourse.
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