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East Maitland NSW
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Sun, 26 December 2004 23:03
 
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dont get me wrong im a mad toyota fan but it took many years to find parity between the ford and holdens for example skafe romped the championship for many years and now ford are just getting even. in some cases its still not even for example there is only only about 2 ford teams able of winning but there are about 4-5 holden teams wich are on the pace that can win. if you put another car in the mix it would be to hard to find an equil balance between a camery, commodore and a falcon unless you put the same motor in all of them, same splitters and just a slightly diffirent shell.
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Melbourne
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December 2004
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Sun, 26 December 2004 23:30
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what they need to do is bring celsiors or chasers here and use that bodyshell with a v8.
ford and holden are still suffering from all those years ago
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Campbelltown, NSW, Austra...
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January 2004
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 00:25
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Really it would just be a matter of a body shell, all the other running gear would pretty much have to be the same as the existing makes.
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Perth
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October 2004
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 01:06
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There are 4 basic rules for a Manufacturer to enter the V8 Supercar series,
1) Must be Australian made
2) Must be rear wheel drive
3) Must be V8 powered
4) Must be sold to the mass market
..Now as there are only 2 manufacturers in Aust that meet these criteria, there are only two manufacturers in the series, so don't expect to see Toyota or Mitsubishi in for a while.
It's funny to here people say "bring back the Jap cars, see how fast they would be then"......."there should be more variety yuda yuda yuda".
Here is a simple rule that any successful businessman knows, to make a healthy profit create something that 50 out of 100 people would want, not 5 out of 100. As motorsport is the same, it applies here too.
I remember going to watch a round of the Group A's over here in WA (all manufacturers were involved), we got into the track 10 mins before the race, watched it from the pits (read not many people) and there were 8 cars on the grid, not a very successful formula hence the reason they died a slow and painful death.
Enter the Super Tourers, they were based on the popular British formula and were billed as the next big thing in Australian motorsport and were expected to kill the V8 Supercars off. They disappeared too.
The V8 Supercars - I went to the last round here in Perth, there were 35,000 people there, we had to get in 4 hours before the first race otherwise we were parking on the street, and we ended up paying to get into a grandstand otherwise we couldn't see.
Everyother round is the same, States back their rounds (Adelaide, Darwin), other countries want rounds (Malaysia, South Africa, Dudai), and it's already gone to two other countries (China, New Zealand).
Why is this formula so popular? because everyone can relate to it, 5 year olds can pick the difference between a Falcon and Commodore on the race track because their dads drive them, people that aren't even remotely interested in cars know what a Falcon and Commodore look like, they are the two biggest sellers in the country, every aftermarket manufacturers start (well mostly) with Holden and Ford parts, this creates spectators which inturn creates sponsors.
In a business world, whats going to make you more money, V8 Supercars (50 out of 100)? or a field or Cefiros, Chasers and Aristos (5 out of 100)?
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Carlingford, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 03:21
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i would be more interested in the talk of the JGTCC coming to australia for a round 
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East Maitland NSW
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December 2004
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 03:27
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exacly as toyota dont mass produce any v8 in australia. if they brought one out that came in either a sport-evo or gt version than there would be no reason to not let them in as they would meet the criteria
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December 2004
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 05:52
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Hi,
WOW! Imagine a RWD...V8 Powered Camry!! Haha. That would be an interesting race!
If such a vehicle entered into V8 Supercar Racing, would that mean they have to produce that vehicle for the commercial market?
Thankyou.
McFly.
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Liverpool NSW
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March 2004
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 06:01
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a v8 toyota chaser would be cheaper 
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Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 06:18
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V8 Soarer is there and ready to go... just rip out all the luxury crap and the car will weigh 500kg less 
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East Maitland NSW
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December 2004
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 06:23
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i reckon it would be great seeing the two door monaros and soarers take on the falcons. id really like to see a soarer done up in supercar spec i reckon it would look mint. just as long as they dont make it too ricy.
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I Supported Toymods
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Sydney
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December 2002
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 06:46
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I love watching the V8 supercars but seriously... V8 supercars are like the funny cars at the drags... superficially they look similar to the road going cars but beyond that they have absolutely nothing in common!
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 07:41
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isnt theer a rule stipulating they have to be 4 door?
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Perth
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October 2004
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 16:04
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| Soarer wrote on Mon, 27 December 2004 14:18 |
V8 Soarer is there and ready to go... just rip out all the luxury crap and the car will weigh 500kg less
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You missed this rule.....
| Brendan wrote on Mon, 27 December 2004 09:06 |
There are 4 basic rules for a Manufacturer to enter the V8 Supercar series,
1) Must be Australian made
2) Must be rear wheel drive
3) Must be V8 powered
4) Must be sold to the mass market
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| Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 27 December 2004 15:41 |
isnt theer a rule stipulating they have to be 4 door?
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Sorry missed that point myself, there are 5 simple rules (hence the reason you don't see any Monaros racing).
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I Supported Toymods
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south Melbourne/KL
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June 2004
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 27 December 2004 18:22
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toyota does have some factories in aus. so it could be "Australian made" as well. all they need to do is assemble the bloody car here to be called aus made.
on the other hand, im sure v8 supercars would come out with another rule keeping toyota out. its a business move like somebody mentioned earlier..
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Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Tue, 28 December 2004 11:39
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| Brendan wrote on Tue, 28 December 2004 03:04 |
| Soarer wrote on Mon, 27 December 2004 14:18 |
V8 Soarer is there and ready to go... just rip out all the luxury crap and the car will weigh 500kg less
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You missed this rule.....
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I was just commenting on the Soarer already having a V8 and being RWD, compared to the post above mine which suggested a Chaser 
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Tue, 28 December 2004 12:06
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| Soarer wrote on Tue, 28 December 2004 22:39 |
| Brendan wrote on Tue, 28 December 2004 03:04 |
| Soarer wrote on Mon, 27 December 2004 14:18 |
V8 Soarer is there and ready to go... just rip out all the luxury crap and the car will weigh 500kg less
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You missed this rule.....
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I was just commenting on the Soarer already having a V8 and being RWD, compared to the post above mine which suggested a Chaser
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chaser has 4 doors and is a more conventional shape to fit a supercar
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Wed, 29 December 2004 00:14
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Meh, a Lexus V8 Supercar would do me. Just start assembling LS430's here, they weigh about the same as the V8 Falcon road cars, strip out the luxury bit, and you'd have a decent platform to work from
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Camden (Sydney)
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September 2004
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Wed, 29 December 2004 00:25
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Nah, screw the jap scene off, V8 supercars are all about ford n holden and its great racing, bring in other manufacturers and it will become another league of racing like all the other production style racing out there.
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Wed, 29 December 2004 04:27
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Dont be surprised if you see toyota racing in a couple of years time, as Toyota are buying the the chassis sub frame's for the next Avalon off Holden, so they will be RWD.
BTW under project blueprint they all now run the same motors and suspension to it wouldnt be hard for Toyota to enter.
Ben.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Wed, 29 December 2004 04:30
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| ae86trueno wrote on Wed, 29 December 2004 12:27 |
as Toyota are buying the the chassis sub frame's for the next Avalon off Holden, so they will be RWD.
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I sincerely hope that its the chassis from the VE Commodore.
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Brisbane
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Wed, 29 December 2004 07:40
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 29 December 2004 15:30 |
| ae86trueno wrote on Wed, 29 December 2004 12:27 |
as Toyota are buying the the chassis sub frame's for the next Avalon off Holden, so they will be RWD.
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I sincerely hope that its the chassis from the VE Commodore.
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NSW, Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Wed, 29 December 2004 07:48
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why don't we just start a toyota versus nissan championship then
1. must be jap
2. must be RWD
3. who gives a shit how many doors it has
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Wed, 29 December 2004 08:05
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| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 29 December 2004 15:40 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 29 December 2004 15:30 |
| ae86trueno wrote on Wed, 29 December 2004 12:27 |
as Toyota are buying the the chassis sub frame's for the next Avalon off Holden, so they will be RWD.
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I sincerely hope that its the chassis from the VE Commodore.
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Because its actually good as opposed to the circa early 1980's their current model has.
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Wed, 29 December 2004 08:10
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 29 December 2004 19:05 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 29 December 2004 15:40 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 29 December 2004 15:30 |
| ae86trueno wrote on Wed, 29 December 2004 12:27 |
as Toyota are buying the the chassis sub frame's for the next Avalon off Holden, so they will be RWD.
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I sincerely hope that its the chassis from the VE Commodore.
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why
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Because its actually good as opposed to the circa early 1980's their current model has.
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good compared to what though
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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Re: Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
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Wed, 29 December 2004 08:16
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Anything. It's a proper suspension setup, similar to that in the Cadillac CTS. Basically Holden were given the role of developing a cheaper version of it along the same lines.
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Toyota in the V8 Supercars?
. What really ticks me off is the overall emphasis of supercars racing. So much glamour for supercars and its only just 2 makes (ie channel 10 = glamorous with its sports.) In my opinion there should be more variety of racing. not just the usual holden + ford. I know there is the century races and stuff on ABC but serious wheres the fun in watching fuzzy channel. its just like putting all soccer on sbs 